Ruiz potentially suing the NCAA….

The quicker we can distance ourselves from this dude, the better. This is a dumptruck filled with C4, and at this minute, someone misplaced the detonators. Soon they’ll be found, and this is going to mushroom cloud. Just like everyone with half a brain knew it would, but whatever. Publicly denounce this guy now and get him away from the athletes. Whoever these amazing and awesome richer-than-Ruiz boosters hiding in the shadows are, it’s time to make them known. This is the beginning of an incredibly embarrassing end for us and Ruiz. Get ahead of it.
 
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The quicker we can distance ourselves from this dude, the better. This is a dumptruck filled with C4, and at this minute, someone misplaced the detonators. Soon they’ll be found, and this is going to mushroom cloud. Just like everyone with half a brain knew it would, but whatever. Publicly denounce this guy now and get him away from the athletes. Whoever these amazing and awesome richer-than-Ruiz boosters hiding in the shadows are, it’s time to make them known. This is the beginning of an incredibly embarrassing end for us and Ruiz. Get ahead of it.
This ship has sailed. miami should do what Syracuse did with weitsman and break ties. despite what some say failure to distance themselves will be a clear black mark on the universities reputation.
 
This ship has sailed. miami should do what Syracuse did with weitsman and break ties. despite what some say failure to distance themselves will be a clear black mark on the universities reputation.

TrumpyCane would like to know how the school is associated with Ruiz?

He’s an alum and he’s giving kids $ and hasn’t missed a payment that we know of

The school has their own NIL program and Ruiz acts on his own
 
TrumpyCane would like to know how the school is associated with Ruiz?

He’s an alum and he’s giving kids $ and hasn’t missed a payment that we know of

The school has their own NIL program and Ruiz acts on his own

Please tell me you’re not serious.

Miami was recently placed on probation directly due to actions of John Ruiz.

The amount of ****riding for this guy by our fanbase is simply baffling.
 
Please tell me you’re not serious.

Miami was recently placed on probation directly due to actions of John Ruiz.

The amount of ****riding for this guy by our fanbase is simply baffling.

TrumpyCane thinks maybe the women’s basketball coach shouldn’t have contacted Ruiz directly

Doesn’t seem Mario or Coach L did something against the rules
 
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TrumpyCane thinks maybe the women’s basketball coach shouldn’t have contacted Ruiz directly

Doesn’t seem Mario or Coach L did something against the rules

You asked how the school was associated with Ruiz??

I told you. You guys can bury your head in the sand all you want, but if this ends badly for Ruiz (and of course it will), it will end badly for Miami. Real life exists outside of this board. Perception is reality. Will it be Nevin? No. But it will be Nevinesque in how it’s received nationally. It will make Mario’s job MUCH harder. How is this difficult to understand?

The only way to minimize damage is to get in front of it. Doing nothing is ignoring the Category 5 bearing down on your house and then wondering what happened when your mattress is floating down your hallway.

Now truthfully, I have no idea if we’re so in bed with this fraud that we can’t crawl out. That would be awful, but perhaps it’s true. If not, it’s time to sneak out the backdoor while the 3 you brought home from the bar last night is still sawing logs. Get the **** out. Now. The quicker you can get away from this guy, the easier the fallout will be. But make no mistake, this will be another stain on Miami. How permanent the stain is, though, will depend on what’s done now and before it sets in.
 
You asked how the school was associated with Ruiz??

I told you. You guys can bury your head in the sand all you want, but if this ends badly for Ruiz (and of course it will), it will end badly for Miami. Real life exists outside of this board. Perception is reality. Will it be Nevin? No. But it will be Nevinesque in how it’s received nationally. It will make Mario’s job MUCH harder. How is this difficult to understand?

The only way to minimize damage is to get in front of it. Doing nothing is ignoring the Category 5 bearing down on your house and then wondering what happened when your mattress is floating down your hallway.

Now truthfully, I have no idea if we’re so in bed with this fraud that we can’t crawl out. That would be awful, but perhaps it’s true. If not, it’s time to sneak out the backdoor while the 3 you brought home from the bar last night is still sawing logs. Get the **** out. Now. The quicker you can get away from this guy, the easier the fallout will be. But make no mistake, this will be another stain on Miami. How permanent the stain is, though, will depend on what’s done now and before it sets in.

You still haven’t mentioned how the school is associated with Ruiz? The school can’t tell him to stop doing anything

TrumpyCane thinks the only thing the school could do is tell it’s athletes to not do deals with him and how will that look when’s he’s offering kids potential deals?

Funny before you implied TrumpyCane is far up his *** when TrumpyCane last year was saying he’s sketch however so far he hasn’t missed a payment or had any issues with NIL
 
Riiiiiiiiight…..because it’s not like we didn’t just get hit with sanctions with Ruiz being at the center of that.

Yes they were bull**** sanctions. Yes I’m aware they mean nothing because the NCAA is a sham.

But to say he has “nothing to do with the university” is asinine.

The quicker we can distance ourselves from this dude, the better. This is a dumptruck filled with C4, and at this minute, someone misplaced the detonators. Soon they’ll be found, and this is going to mushroom cloud. Just like everyone with half a brain knew it would, but whatever. Publicly denounce this guy now and get him away from the athletes. Whoever these amazing and awesome richer-than-Ruiz boosters hiding in the shadows are, it’s time to make them known. This is the beginning of an incredibly embarrassing end for us and Ruiz. Get ahead of it.

What’s asinine is thinking the university itself is in any way affiliated in a provable way.

Ruiz is an independent operator, and can employ athletes, and they cannot be prevented from selling their services.

It’s called NIL.

The whole ******* idea is he is independent and separate from the university, otherwise it doesn’t work.

Unless the university is directing or affiliated in a provable way with Ruiz, they do nothing, especially publicly. Really stupid advice for UM to say anything other than they are not in control of Ruiz, if asked.
 
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What’s asinine is thinking the university itself is in any way affiliated in a provable way.

Ruiz is an independent operator, and can employ athletes, and they cannot be prevented for selling their services.

It’s called NIL.

The whole ******* idea is he is independent and separate from the university, otherwise it doesn’t work.

Unless the university is directing or affiliated in a provable way with Ruiz, they do nothing, especially publicly. Really stupid advice for UM to say anything other than they are not in control of Ruiz, if asked.

Exactly and thats the way it should be otherwise then the school can get in trouble if they’re dealing with him

TrumpyCane thinks most people don’t realize the only reason NCAA did anything is because a coach contacted him directly
 
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The quicker we can distance ourselves from this dude, the better. This is a dumptruck filled with C4, and at this minute, someone misplaced the detonators. Soon they’ll be found, and this is going to mushroom cloud. Just like everyone with half a brain knew it would, but whatever. Publicly denounce this guy now and get him away from the athletes. Whoever these amazing and awesome richer-than-Ruiz boosters hiding in the shadows are, it’s time to make them known. This is the beginning of an incredibly embarrassing end for us and Ruiz. Get ahead of it.

Most of them prefer to remain behind the scenes. This is just Ruiz personality
 
So much butthurt over Ruiz. He’s basically y’all with a McDuck money bin…


Its all about The U.


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What’s asinine is thinking the university itself is in any way affiliated in a provable way.

Ruiz is an independent operator, and can employ athletes, and they cannot be prevented from selling their services.

It’s called NIL.

The whole ******* idea is he is independent and separate from the university, otherwise it doesn’t work.

Unless the university is directing or affiliated in a provable way with Ruiz, they do nothing, especially publicly. Really stupid advice for UM to say anything other than they are not in control of Ruiz, if asked.

Respect first off. I'm not coming for you with this, just wanted to get that out of the way.

Everything is provable, you've just gotta figure out the where, how, and why.

Ruiz isn't independent of anything. We all know that and there's no burying our head in the sand about it. We know this, at least anyone who actively follows this forum.

You're right in that he can't be stopped on a surface level from employing persons for the purpose of a NIL deal.

Having said that, we have certain posters beating around the bush (not getting into specifics) with regards to recruits and purported NIL deals being offered prior to signing with is on the dotted line. There's nothing independent about that on his part and I'm not going to elaborate on it.

We're back to provable again. If guys on message boards are talking about our offers to recruits (remember, coaches aren't allowed to talk about who they're recruiting per NCAA rules), he's involved, then someone is talking on our end. Secrets in this game don't remain secrets for long and that's how things make it to the media and here.

The NCAA also doesn't work like a court of law. They can hand down sanctions anytime they like and whoever can challenge them while being stuck in limbo the entire time while you agree to or challenge said sanctions. It's rare as can be that much of anything is challenged and we all know why, schools don't want the digging.

Lastly, this isn't meant to be a f'Ruiz post or admission of anything, just keeping it real. I don't know what can, will, or should be done about anything. You're not a naive or unintelligent poster, but let's not collectively try and bury our head in the sand. I don't feel we're doing a **** thing anyone else isn't doing right now. It's the f'ing wild west out there but it they come after our gunslinger, how do we mitigate or challenge the opposition? Even operating through loopholes and as others are, it doesn't mean we might not have a **** storm heading our way.

Simply put, I recognize it for what it all is. Pay for play, no matter how it's dressed up. Again, we're not solo in this, but as history has shown, they may come after us.
 
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What’s asinine is thinking the university itself is in any way affiliated in a provable way.

Ruiz is an independent operator, and can employ athletes, and they cannot be prevented from selling their services.

It’s called NIL.

The whole ******* idea is he is independent and separate from the university, otherwise it doesn’t work.

Unless the university is directing or affiliated in a provable way with Ruiz, they do nothing, especially publicly. Really stupid advice for UM to say anything other than they are not in control of Ruiz, if asked.
Guessing you have never heard the term 'guilty by association'? You think when he gets put in jail that ESPN/NYT/CNN/MSNBC etc... are gonna say 'an independent college booster was arrested today for securities fraud...'?

NO hahaha.

They are gonna say 'University of Miami Football super booster arrested for securities fraud'. Please act like you were alive when the Nevin **** was happening...
 
Guessing you have never heard the term 'guilty by association'? You think when he gets put in jail that ESPN/NYT/CNN/MSNBC etc... are gonna say 'an independent college booster was arrested today for securities fraud...'?

NO hahaha.

They are gonna say 'University of Miami Football super booster arrested for securities fraud'. Please act like you were alive when the Nevin **** was happening...

Act like you know what you’re talking about.

“Guilty by association” is not real and it’s not actionable, but if you want to act like a scared little girl, be my guest.

This program is done being scared, and being driven by haters’ perception. Who gives a **** what others think. As long as we have our **** together, we keep plugging. We’re never going back to the way we used to be. And if we ever do, the program is over.

Hike your skirt up and act like a man.
 
You asked how the school was associated with Ruiz??

I told you. You guys can bury your head in the sand all you want, but if this ends badly for Ruiz (and of course it will), it will end badly for Miami. Real life exists outside of this board. Perception is reality. Will it be Nevin? No. But it will be Nevinesque in how it’s received nationally. It will make Mario’s job MUCH harder. How is this difficult to understand?

The only way to minimize damage is to get in front of it. Doing nothing is ignoring the Category 5 bearing down on your house and then wondering what happened when your mattress is floating down your hallway.

Now truthfully, I have no idea if we’re so in bed with this fraud that we can’t crawl out. That would be awful, but perhaps it’s true. If not, it’s time to sneak out the backdoor while the 3 you brought home from the bar last night is still sawing logs. Get the **** out. Now. The quicker you can get away from this guy, the easier the fallout will be. But make no mistake, this will be another stain on Miami. How permanent the stain is, though, will depend on what’s done now and before it sets in.
I can't wait for the "just use UHealth $$$" crowd to chime in.
 
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The quicker we can distance ourselves from this dude, the better. This is a dumptruck filled with C4, and at this minute, someone misplaced the detonators. Soon they’ll be found, and this is going to mushroom cloud. Just like everyone with half a brain knew it would, but whatever. Publicly denounce this guy now and get him away from the athletes. Whoever these amazing and awesome richer-than-Ruiz boosters hiding in the shadows are, it’s time to make them known. This is the beginning of an incredibly embarrassing end for us and Ruiz. Get ahead of it.
I too have been critical of Ruiz (in other respects) but this is too far IMO. Ruiz isn't Nevin. Nevin ran a criminal business enterprise and apparently was also crossing boundaries in regards to his involvement with student-athletes (regardless of how silly those interactions were). Ruiz, on the other hand, is an established commodity that operates a successful law firm. MSP may be very speculative and it may ultimately fail. Frankly, no shame in that. Many businesses fail. But it would be unfair for UM to disassociate itself with Ruiz simply because the business may not ultimately reach the success hoped by all involved. As long as everything is on the up-and-up, UM/student-athletes are free to ride the gravy train for so long as its running.
 
No possible other motivations for Holzer&Holzer - the investigating law firm on this - right??

Not saying there was or wasn’t wrong doing on Ruiz’s part, just looked up the firm and found the alumni connections interesting.
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