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hoops156 said:
well he helped write the NIL law. he does know it but it doesn't mean he always follows it (im not saying UM did anything wrong in the twins situation). personally, idc what ruiz does. all I care is if he donates to UM. I dont suck up to him nor put him on this pedestal. hes a loud mouth who is being seen as this GOAT attorney when he just took advantage of the system and good for him. I know a lot of people who did the same when they started their firms and killed it. ****, Morgan and Morgan pretty much takes advantage of the fact that insurance companies never ever go to trial for good reason - its too expensive to put in the hands of people even if you know you have a good case. people see the company as a pile of money and they decide that way. you better be 100000 percent sure youre gonna win if youre gonna incur the costs of a full civil trial and not a 15 min hearing.

I have my own experience in NIL through my work. I know the law well enough but what no one knows is what is in texts, phone calls, etc. with everyone you employ that is involved in these deals. thats not worth the risk for me esp against a giant org which isnt gonna use a mom and pop but will employ the Jones Days of the world to litigate the **** out of this and bury all those associates under so much paper, no one will breathe.
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I want to see him make a move and force the NCAA to get Jones Day and Arnold & Porter and the like to spend money and resources. Ruiz can pay for legal assistance at that level if he’s ****ed enough. I don’t know what he’ll do. At a minimum he can make them expend resources.

And I don’t care how he’s made his money and whether he’s brash or not. I’m actually happy for him for his success for my own reasons. I do care that he’s put us in a position to compete through NIL in ways we never could have. I care about Más for all he’s done too on his end as well as others including people I do know very well to say the very least.

Now the NCAA has come down on us once again for chicken **** while the SEC schools skirt by and they tangled Ruiz in it as well with some statements.
Ain’t no mother****ing way in **** I am going to get on a Miami Hurricanes fan message board and name call him and denigrate him and give comfort to those enemy pricks in Indy and Birmingham.
 
hoops156 said:
I bet hes gonna argue Life wallet and MSPR was conducting business with athletes through NIL and not John ruiz. when John ruiz tweeted about making it rain on pack, he was tweeting in an official manner as life wallet CEO. I hope he has two twitter accts tbh where one is business John and the other is personal John.
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LIFW*

They changed the ticker. :)
 
hoops156 said:
well there once was a booster named Nevin. he was loud brash and very public lol. miami moves different lol. new money down here dont know how to operate lol
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I grew up with Nevin. Ruiz isn’t Nevin. Nevin wasn’t being loud and brash to promote his business. He was doing a number of wrong things and for different reasons than Ruiz outside of the obvious. Ruiz is promoting his business. He does it in this manner. He has a legitimate business and has followed the laws as far as I know. Comparing Ruiz to Nevin is what I’ve seen the gator do on their board.
 
Hurracanes said:
I am no lawyer but I heard many at Miami were not happy with the NCAA. This will be very interesting.
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...bunch of people shielded by authority, without any individual accountability for their work.

They will make mistakes and they will overreach, because there aren't any consequences in so doing.
 
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RVACane said:
I grew up with Nevin. Ruiz isn’t Nevin. Nevin wasn’t being loud and brash to promote his business. He was doing a number of wrong things and for different reasons than Ruiz outside of the obvious. Ruiz is promoting his business. He does it in this manner. He has a legitimate business and has followed the laws as far as I know. Comparing Ruiz to Nevin is what I’ve seen the gator do on their board.
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I know theyre not the same they are just both loud though lol. ruiz is promoting his business but people who knew him back before he made it big again would tell you he was always this - loud. idc anyways if he is loud. its his money and his twitter account. he can do what he wants w it. if someone doesn't like it, they dont have to accept his donations or his NIL deals. I dont even follow him on twitter bc I find him annoying as ****. that was my choice. he isnt the first loud rich person in miami lol. 90 percent of the city is loud as **** about all their ****. no one moves in silence in miami.
 
RVACane said:
I want to see him make a move and force the NCAA to get Jones Day and Arnold & Porter and the like to spend money and resources. Ruiz can pay for legal assistance at that level if he’s ****ed enough. I don’t know what he’ll do. At a minimum he can make them expend resources.

And I don’t care how he’s made his money and whether he’s brash or not. I’m actually happy for him for his success for my own reasons. I do care that he’s put us in a position to compete through NIL in ways we never could have. I care about Más for all he’s done too on his end as well as others including people I do know very well to say the very least.

Now the NCAA has come down on us once again for chicken **** while the SEC schools skirt by and they tangled Ruiz in it as well with some statements.
Ain’t no mother****ing way in **** I am going to get on a Miami Hurricanes fan message board and name call him and denigrate him and give comfort to those enemy pricks in Indy and Birmingham.
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I agree that im happy too that he chose to help UM. personally, idc bout the rest lol. hes just a stranger to me and while I am happy for my friends and family and some on this board that make it, an unknown meh. do you.

anyways, how's life
 
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scrantoncane said:
What you seem to be missing/ignoring is that the NCAA and any potential litigation are 2 completely separate things.

Weakened or not, the NCAA still exists and UM is a member. Pay to play is not legal. NIL is. There is some gray area, but the pay for play is not legal.

If the NCAA were to find that Miami engaged in pay to play and docked UM scholarships and imposed a bowl ban, that would presumably be implemented immediately.

I guess the consensus on these boards is that big bad Ruiz will go right into court and smash the NCAA to pieces, maybe even putting the final bail in its coffin.

Not sure what the claim would be, what law would apply, etc. But doesn’t matter. It would takes YEARS to be litigated to a decision. Again, the scholarship and bowl ban would be implemented immediately. Miami loses in that situation, even if Ruiz ultimately wins in court.

No one wants Ruiz to go away. We just want him to tone it down a little.
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I don’t think the consensus is that Ruiz did anything except hire former NC2A employees to review all the deals LW makes with athletes to make sure the deals are complaint with current NC2A by-laws/guidelines, etc..
My consistent point about Ruiz is that he will be certain what he is doing is permissible before he does it. Look, anyone can make permissible NIL deals. All a person has to do is read the NC2A rules on NIL and follow the rules. A billionaire has numerous people on staff reviewing the NC2A rules. I just think it is very, very unlikely that Ruiz got this wrong because I think he is far too smart and has too many smart people working for him whose entire job is to make sure there are no violaitons.

I also believe the NC2A intentionally (or negligently) writes vague rules to give themselves leeway in finding violations when they want to. I also think a court will frown upon the vaguely written rules.

Finally I believe the NC2A has picked a fight it does not want to have with a person who can carry the litigation longer than the NC2A, and holds grudges.
 
hoops156 said:
well he helped write the NIL law. he does know it but it doesn't mean he always follows it (im not saying UM did anything wrong in the twins situation). personally, idc what ruiz does. all I care is if he donates to UM. I dont suck up to him nor put him on this pedestal. hes a loud mouth who is being seen as this GOAT attorney when he just took advantage of the system and good for him. I know a lot of people who did the same when they started their firms and killed it. ****, Morgan and Morgan pretty much takes advantage of the fact that insurance companies never ever go to trial for good reason - its too expensive to put in the hands of people even if you know you have a good case. people see the company as a pile of money and they decide that way. you better be 100000 percent sure youre gonna win if youre gonna incur the costs of a full civil trial and not a 15 min hearing.

I have my own experience in NIL through my work. I know the law well enough but what no one knows is what is in texts, phone calls, etc. with everyone you employ that is involved in these deals. ****, his own kids were donating to that fraud NY congressmen that created some bad pub for Ruiz even tho Ruiz himself didnt donate a dime to him.

thats not worth the risk for me esp against a giant org which isnt gonna use a mom and pop but will employ the Jones Days of the world to litigate the **** out of this and bury all those associates under so much paper, no one will breathe.
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Scared money does not make money. Ruiz is not scared of the NC2A which is a lot like the big insurance companies.
And before you start lauding the NC2A attorneys, keep in mind that the NC2A attorneys lost their case in California, appealed it and lost, appealed it again and lost 9-0 in the US Supreme Court. Had they never appealed the loss at the trial court level the case would only have applied to athletes in California. But by appealing an obviously garbage case the NC2A created national law in which a completely divided Supreme Court reached a unanimous decision

I submit to you that the NC2A lawyers are terrible and you, me, and @RVACane would kick their asses
 
AtlAtty said:
Scared money does not make money. Ruiz is not scared of the NC2A which is a lot like the big insurance companies.
And before you start lauding the NC2A attorneys, keep in mind that the NC2A attorneys lost their case in California, appealed it and lost, appealed it again and lost 9-0 in the US Supreme Court. Had they never appealed the loss at the trial court level the case would only have applied to athletes in California. But by appealing an obviously garbage case the NC2A created national law in which a completely divided Supreme Court reached a unanimous decision

I submit to you that the NC2A lawyers are terrible and you, me, and @RVACane would kick their asses
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I’ll be the note taker who writes stuff on the notepad to bring points to your attention. Lol. You don’t want me litigating. 😂

And I also don’t think Ruiz is afraid of them and their army of Jones Day associates.
 
AtlAtty said:
Scared money does not make money. Ruiz is not scared of the NC2A which is a lot like the big insurance companies.
And before you start lauding the NC2A attorneys, keep in mind that the NC2A attorneys lost their case in California, appealed it and lost, appealed it again and lost 9-0 in the US Supreme Court. Had they never appealed the loss at the trial court level the case would only have applied to athletes in California. But by appealing an obviously garbage case the NC2A created national law in which a completely divided Supreme Court reached a unanimous decision

I submit to you that the NC2A lawyers are terrible and you, me, and @RVACane would kick their asses
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ive worked for insurance companies as defense counsel. there's nothing that I liked (I hated that job) than getting easy billing w paper lol. so we paper, paper, paper hoping the PL just takes some offer to make it go away. none of that **** will ever go anywhere bc the insurance company is getting sued 4000 times a week so their adjusters only have so much time to handle so many files essentially why they settle out. they need to get their active lit file list down by the quarter
 
I will say kudos to Ruiz for coming out of a **** law school and making it this big. nova should be crowning him every second bc hes literally their star graduate.
 
hoops156 said:
ive worked for insurance companies as defense counsel. there's nothing that I liked (I hated that job) than getting easy billing w paper lol. so we paper, paper, paper hoping the PL just takes some offer to make it go away. none of that **** will ever go anywhere bc the insurance company is getting sued 4000 times a week so their adjusters only have so much time to handle so many files essentially why they settle out. they need to get their active lit file list down by the quarter
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Who has the advantage in that situaiton?
Is it plaintiff‘s counsel who figures the insurance defense lawyers doesn’t want to go to court due to lack of experience and fear of a jury verdict?
Or is it defense counsel who figures the PL just wants a quick settlement, especially in a churn and burn firm like Morgan and Morgan?

Last question. Will Artificial Intelligence be able to assess the value of a case such that the traditional settlement process becomes unnecessary?
 
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hoops156 said:
I will say kudos to Ruiz for coming out of a **** law school and making it this big. nova should be crowning him every second bc hes literally their star graduate.
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C students make the most money right?

A students go to the big firms, make a good living but limit themselves i doing so
B students work for the government, make a decent living and have a good retirement plan, but limit themselves
C students open their open firms because no one will hire them and work their asses off.
 
AtlAtty said:
Who has the advantage in that situaiton?
Is it plaintiff‘s counsel who figures the insurance defense lawyers doesn’t want to go to court due to lack of experience and fear of a jury verdict? you'd be shocked, but defense lawyers can't just offer a settlement if the client doesn't want to. the associate isnt going to trial anyways. it'll be the partner who takes it to trial and he or she is not short of trial experience. also, defense counsel doesn't fund anything themselves. theyre billing every second of the trial (full 8 hour plus days) including travel. they literally dont care if it goes to trial or not. its the same job either way. it costs PLs WAY more money. on top of that, the defense lawyer gets paid either way. the PL could be left w 0. along w that, if you do get a verdict but its less than the amount of the rejected PFS from the Defendant, LOL youre triple ****ed as a PL.
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AtlAtty said:
Or is it defense counsel who figures the PL just wants a quick settlement, especially in a churn and burn firm like Morgan and Morgan? No one really settles Morgan early. the one thats big on burn and churn is in property cases. not really the stuff Morgan handles. they just do so much volume that they dont care if a case is a loser. it doesn't hurt them at all. they have plenty of losers (PL attorneys at those firms are handling 400-500 files while defense attorneys are handling 20-60 depending on area of law)

Last question. Will Artificial Intelligence be able to assess the value of a case such that the traditional settlement process becomes unnecessary? no bc people are driven by emotion
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AtlAtty said:
C students make the most money right? ehhhhhhhhhh. id say ruiz and Baez hit it big, but for the most part not really unless that C came from a T14.

A students go to the big firms, make a good living but limit themselves i doing so - they make an ungodly amount of money actually if they can stick it out. some of the dudes I know are crushing it but they also dont have a life...
B students work for the government, make a decent living and have a good retirement plan, but limit themselves - this is actually a C student job tbh esp in FL. a lot SAs get hired on esp now bc of the turnover. low pay but easier life than working private.
C students open their open firms because no one will hire them and work their asses off. ive opened my own firm. it sucks. you gotta be a super social C student to do this. its very sink or swim and unlike other businesses where you can find ways to get business, you have to abide by ethics rules that place rules on advertising. you could literally end up completely under 1 case in if you dont know how to evaluate and hard work has nothing to do w that. it just comes from exp imo. no one teaches you how to value a case or how to determine a settlement amount even. I learned a quick trick formula due to volume but it still isnt perfect.
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forgot to add, going to trial on defense is great in that - you put a pause on your other **** and then take a Nice vacation afterwards. you already know youre well over on billing bc of trial and you've already parked in bonus land.
 
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