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Ruiz potentially suing the NCAA….

No_Fly_Zone said:
I agree with you. On the one hand, I think it is the beginning of the end for money-earning college sports. On the other hand, I think this has been a long time coming and the NCAA's policies are largely to blame for its pending demise.
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yes, they had decades to evolve the administration of sports and share the money with the players. i think the schools used the ncaa as an excuse to not share the money so the schools are to blame also
 
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JD08 said:
What limits are there to discovery? Can anything be discovered about their mishandling our previous investigations or overlooking violations at other schools?
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That would be determined by the complaint. The NCAA would all but certainly go for Summary Disposition and motion to dismiss. There they would try to at least chop some of the complaint down to size if not get it all thrown out. That is where you would have some potential limits on discovery. I’m not a lawyer but I’ve have known and paid for many in my lifetime.
 
RVACane said:
You like Samson, you like Mauigoa, you like Bain and Bryant??? That’s the price for them with his money.

Every single one of you *****ing about Ruiz’s mouth would be making this board and/or yourselves 10x more miserable if Ruiz wasn’t putting us in the recruiting NIL game.

Why don’t you guys tell Ruiz to stfu and you write the checks like the lethal silent assassins you are then.
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Sure I like them. That’s not the point. I like the guys Bama gets. I like the guys UGA gets. I like the guys Taint gets. They have boosters who buy all their kids. They have for years and years. But those guys don’t flash neon ******* signs at the NCAA on Twitter like 16 year old girls whose daddy just bought them a Mercedes.

Buy the players. Just shut the **** up about it. You know, just like literally every single other program does except this one.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
That is, ultimately, a much bigger problem for the NCAA than it is for John Ruiz. If everyone is a booster, but only John and UM get pinched...
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Not to turn this into a legal forum, but that’s my question. What standing does he have? It appears that he was somehow implicated in some investigation conducted by the NCAA of the university. But he himself was likely not an actual subject of the investigation, nor did he have any due process to appear on his behalf and defend himself. So he can argue I guess he’s been defamed but see my earlier post … that’s tough. And I’m not sure how he’s been damaged?
 
bobbydigius said:
I see it as NCAA is slumped over in the corner bleeding out, talking **** trying to get our attention and instead of just walking out of the room we are looking to engage yet again, giving them a potential miracle chance. It’s like in Kill Bill when home girl takes that *****’s other eye. She walks out and doesn’t engage her again as she is done for.

In the end Ruiz will do what he wants and yes I want him to move in silence but that just isn’t what he does. As you said, I do like Samson and Mauigoa on the squad and realize there is none of that with out Ruiz but that still doesn’t mean I won’t voice my opinion.
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I’m not ****ed because people would prefer him to move in silence. There’s a difference between that and some of the other comments.
 
AlexCane said:
Not to turn this into a legal forum, but that’s my question. What standing does he have? It appears that he was somehow implicated in some investigation conducted by the NCAA of the university. But he himself was likely not an actual subject of the investigation, nor did he have any due process to appear on his behalf and defend himself. So he can argue I guess he’s been defamed but see my earlier post … that’s tough. And I’m not sure how he’s been damaged?
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Well there is no doubt we will find out soon enough. As I stated earlier, I think Ruiz is an even better self promoter than attorney, and I think this is just saber rattling to drum up more attention. He has used this whole thing masterfully in terms of bringing attention to Life Wallet.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Sure I like them. That’s not the point. I like the guys Bama gets. I like the guys UGA gets. I like the guys Taint gets. They have boosters who buy all their kids. They have for years and years. But those guys don’t flash neon ******* signs at the NCAA on Twitter like 16 year old girls whose daddy just bought them a Mercedes.

Buy the players. Just shut the **** up about it. You know, just like literally every single other program does except this one.
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Too ******* bad. That’s not what he does. You’re telling him to shut the **** up. You should pay the NIL then or you should shut the **** up instead of turning on the guy who’s given us those players in the face of a war with the NCAA thugs.
 
AlexCane said:
True. So I guess he has to argue the NCAA committed some tort here by virtue of the investigation it conducted here?
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The investigation that lead to the press releasea and sanctions occurred here, yes. But his damages are also (at least arguably) occurring here.

No question on personal jurisdiction, either. So his attorneys lose nothing but a filing fee and some attorneys' fees by trying to sue in Miami first.
 
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AlexCane said:
Not to turn this into a legal forum, but that’s my question. What standing does he have? It appears that he was somehow implicated in some investigation conducted by the NCAA of the university. But he himself was likely not an actual subject of the investigation, nor did he have any due process to appear on his behalf and defend himself. So he can argue I guess he’s been defamed but see my earlier post … that’s tough. And I’m not sure how he’s been damaged?
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dont know what his standing is.
 
RVACane said:
Too ******* bad. That’s not what he does. Your telling him to shut the **** up. You should pay the NIL then or you should shut the **** up instead of turning on the guy who’s given us those players on the face of a war with the NCAA thugs.
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Turning insinuates that I’m just now starting to feel this way. This guy has been a bozo his whole life. The very first time I heard about him I tried to tell you guys this dude was a bozo. What does he do? Bozo **** and makes the program look bad, again, with the NCAA and nationally. I hate the NCAA as much as you and as much as him, but what he does is just so unnecessary. “It’s what he does” LOL. Yeah, acts like a clown and gets into twitter fights with blumpkins from middle earth panhandle trolls on twitter.

You can do what he does a totally different way than he does it. Just cause he does it “his way” doesn’t mean it’s right and doesn’t mean he’s not a cringeworthy clown.
 
Warrior808 said:
Yeah don't see how this helps UM at all.

On a side note, am I the only person on CIS who is not an attorney??
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No_Fly_Zone said:
But especially not the NCAA. Who seems to have disproportionately gone after Miami in this NIL world.

You see, that's the point. Nobody is 100% clean. So the NCAA shouldn't have gone after ANYONE. But, they came after UM and Ruiz (a legit businessman with actual endorsement/NIL deals and not some BS collective). So now what they did (or didn't do) elsewhere will be under scrutiny. I can't wait.
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Valid points and I'd love to see what could be dug up from the NCAA. I don't disagree with what Ruiz does at all with NIL, I love it. But a head to head death match over such a broad definition....ehhh. Might've waited for a better case.
 
AlexCane said:
Not to turn this into a legal forum, but that’s my question. What standing does he have? It appears that he was somehow implicated in some investigation conducted by the NCAA of the university. But he himself was likely not an actual subject of the investigation, nor did he have any due process to appear on his behalf and defend himself. So he can argue I guess he’s been defamed but see my earlier post … that’s tough. And I’m not sure how he’s been damaged?
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He arguably has standing to sue for defamation. Also injurious falsehood (that's an old one, but still valid in Florida).

As far as the defamation case, he may also claim that since it goes to his livelihood and business, it is defamation per se (making the proof of damages far less stringent).

But I also want to raise the possibility of a tortious interference w/ business relationship claim. Whatever findings the NCAA made, including their alleged attempts to have UM (and its student athletes) disassociate itself from Ruiz, that arguably was with knowledge of Ruiz's business relationships w/ UM student athletes. That could be problematic for the NCAA (and a great basis for venue in Miami).
 
mirvin88 said:
Valid points and I'd love to see what could be dug up from the NCAA. I don't disagree with what Ruiz does at all with NIL, I love it. But a head to head death match over such a broad definition....ehhh. Might've waited for a better case.
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Maybe. But what happened to anyone, anytime, anywhere? Nothing is more UM football than that principle.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
He arguably has standing to sue for defamation. Also injurious falsehood (that's an old one, but still valid in Florida).

As far as the defamation case, he may also claim that since it goes to his livelihood and business, it is defamation per se (making the proof of damages far less stringent).

But I also want to raise the possibility of a tortious interference w/ business relationship claim. Whatever findings the NCAA made, including their alleged attempts to have UM (and its student athletes) disassociate itself from Ruiz, that arguably was with knowledge of Ruiz's business relationships w/ UM student athletes. That could be problematic for the NCAA (and a great basis for venue in Miami).
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Defamation is iffy. Challenging the determination of a booster appears to be an uphill battle considering how broad that definition is. Arguably, I am a booster under the phrase of “participating in an athletics program” by virtue of being a season ticket holder. That definition is awfully broad. Also, there is likely a decent argument that anything said about Ruiz falls under an absolute or qualified litigation privilege.

I dunno. He certainly loves to stir it up!
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Turning insinuates that I’m just now starting to feel this way. This guy has been a bozo his whole life. The very first time I heard about him I tried to tell you guys this dude was a bozo. What does he do? Bozo **** and makes the program look bad, again, with the NCAA and nationally. I hate the NCAA as much as you and as much as him, but what he does is just so unnecessary. “It’s what he does” LOL. Yeah, acts like a clown and gets into twitter fights with blumpkins from middle earth panhandle trolls on twitter.

You can do what he does a totally different way than he does it. Just cause he does it “his way” doesn’t mean it’s right and doesn’t mean he’s not a cringeworthy clown.
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You’ve got RDS.
 
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