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RBs tipping playcall

JayCane20 said:
That's what I told the people with us at the game. If they hold that against Chaney in the coming weeks we're going to be holding our best back out of the game or if it gets to him mentally, he's not going to run as effectively.
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Why would they hold it against him if he clearly didn't fumble?
 
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JayCane20 said:
I passed it onto one of our analysts and he said it's a comfortability/timing thing and it's by design and doesn't tip anything. Just how it played out on Saturday.

So there's that.

I'm also not sure if they picked up on it in-game or if they knew it coming into the game. Haven't looked at prior games
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I felt that this read happened within game. We did what we wanted upfront then it our production dropped in the 2nd half.

comfortability my *** btw.
 
Tru C said:
Looks like we need to learn from Bama and have 5011 analysts. An alignment analyst, victory formation analyst, psychologist analyst, time out analyst, stadium music analyst, challenge call analyst,
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Pffttt…Eddie O can have all them jobs. We should’ve found a way to get him here ions ago. Make him the DT/AHC coach
 
JayCane20 said:
Got a tip passed onto me from an analyst at GT - went back and watched a few drives in the condensed game to see for myself and it is pretty clear

Henry Parrish tips the playcall (run or pass) by his alignment almost every snap. If he's aligned with TVD it's a pass. Every time he's deep behind it is a run. Every pistol alignment I saw was a run. There are a few instances where he's somewhere in the middle like a half step behind and almost every time that was the case you could tell GT had to read the play and we hit a good pass play or he was a more effective runner - including the big pass to Restrepo, big pass to Young, Parrish's 18 yard TD run that got called back.

Chaney doesn't tip as much with his alignment. He's almost always a half step behind TVD. He did get deep a few times and it was a run and he did move up a time or 2 but it was clear passing downs anyway. Makes you wonder if that is why he was so much more effective running compared to Parrish on Saturday.
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Its not really a problem to me that there is a difference between the exact spot Parrish and Chaney line up between the two of them, but it absolutely seems like a problem for Parrish (or any individual RB) to be constantly adjusting his alignment based on the playcall. You need consistency for each individual player. On obvious pass downs it doesn't matter too much, but you can't be tipping off Run/Pass and helping the defense diagnose Play Action because you want to get an extra half step before you get the ball on run plays...
 
JayCane20 said:
All we had to do was pull it and throw the slant or a the Charleston Rambo stop route/backshoulder on the RPO a couple times and it would have changed. We did it to X and to Young and that was it.

I agree. Don't think it had anything to do with seeing it or not knowing.. it was trying to be "fizucal bro" and "impose our will" bro

Same with the last play. They knew they could kneel it. They knew Chaney had 100 yards. It was ego stroking and it was trying to score again because 27-17 looks better than 20-17
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Don’t think I’ve seen a rpo glance all year.. if teams playing off and focused on the run its there
 
JayCane20 said:
All we had to do was pull it and throw the slant or a the Charleston Rambo stop route/backshoulder on the RPO a couple times and it would have changed. We did it to X and to Young and that was it.

I agree. Don't think it had anything to do with seeing it or not knowing.. it was trying to be "fizucal bro" and "impose our will" bro

Same with the last play. They knew they could kneel it. They knew Chaney had 100 yards. It was ego stroking and it was trying to score again because 27-17 looks better than 20-17
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Was waiting on someone to say it but i honestly believe the bolded to be the case.

They were trying to run out the clock but also hoping to pop one. Its the only reason we ran it 3 str8 times at the end.
 
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FrancisSawyer said:
Why would they hold it against him if he clearly didn't fumble?
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That's what I told people during the game when we had no idea if it was a fumble or not but was ruled a fumble on the field.

At the time I was just assuming it popped out and GT's going to get the ball back and make us sweat.. had no idea what would actually happen.

Obviously he was down and they know that now. Didn't stop Cristobal from going in the locker room and talking about ball security and why they coach 2 hands on the ball and why we were adamant about 2 hands on the ball before the play, blah blah blah. He's owned it at the podium now but they're repping 2 hands on the ball (more than they ever did in the past) simulating the end of the game draining the clock at practice this week.. so that ownership is still clearly not entirely there if you ask me.. based on his actions.
 
gogeta4 said:
Was waiting on someone to say it but i honestly believe the bolded to be the case.

They were trying to run out the clock but also hoping to pop one. Its the only reason we ran it 3 str8 times at the end.
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That type of myopic thinking is my biggest concern, I fear you are correct.

Forget all the nuances of the game, if you can't see that 5-0 > 27-17, you're incorrigible.

It's Thursday and we're still on this subject, you can't tell me it isn't affecting game prep.
 
janneke99 said:
I was watching a different game last Saturday, and the announcers mentioned the same tip off by the RB...... **** wish I remembered which game
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It happens a lot more than it should and it's extremely sloppy and lazy, especially when you have QC analysts who are supposed to watch for that to the degree.
 
JayCane20 said:
. He's owned it at the podium now but they're repping 2 hands on the ball (more than they ever did in the past) simulating the end of the game draining the clock at practice this week.. so that ownership is still clearly not entirely there if you ask me.. based on his actions.
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Is this real life?
 
JayCane20 said:
Got a tip passed onto me from an analyst at GT - went back and watched a few drives in the condensed game to see for myself and it is pretty clear

Henry Parrish tips the playcall (run or pass) by his alignment almost every snap. If he's aligned with TVD it's a pass. Every time he's deep behind it is a run. Every pistol alignment I saw was a run. There are a few instances where he's somewhere in the middle like a half step behind and almost every time that was the case you could tell GT had to read the play and we hit a good pass play or he was a more effective runner - including the big pass to Restrepo, big pass to Young, Parrish's 18 yard TD run that got called back.

Chaney doesn't tip as much with his alignment. He's almost always a half step behind TVD. He did get deep a few times and it was a run and he did move up a time or 2 but it was clear passing downs anyway. Makes you wonder if that is why he was so much more effective running compared to Parrish on Saturday.
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Great pass it on to Corchtobal
 
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gogeta4 said:
Was waiting on someone to say it but i honestly believe the bolded to be the case.

They were trying to run out the clock but also hoping to pop one. Its the only reason we ran it 3 str8 times at the end.
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This scenario would actually be a worse cost/benefit analysis from them than the alternatives. Because whatever they promised [insert recruit] or whatever expectation they had of how this game would look, it got blown the **** up by the mid 3rd Q when we were up just 3-0. At that point, take your ‘optics L’ and keep it moving.
 
DTP said:
Judging by how early they break the huddle and then force the linemen to sit in their stances for 20 seconds, they need to practice running out the clock better.
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Seems like this is something you do preseason and is pretty ******* elementary. Happy that limited practice time mid season is being used for this. I suppose how you do anything is how you do everything. Maybe it explains the **** performance last game.
 
DTP said:
Judging by how early they break the huddle and then force the linemen to sit in their stances for 20 seconds, they need to practice running out the clock better.
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That has been part of it. They expect the huddle to break at 10-12 on the playclock and ball snapped at 3 or less.

Haven't practiced the victory formation though. Hopefully that was on today's plan
 
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