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Randy Shannon vs Manny Diaz

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Manny came up wit the TO chain. Shannon nothing! Nada!
I’ll just leave this here. Peace out fam
 
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tcgrad1014 said:
Somebody explain to me how Diaz is a more attractive hire than Shannon was in 2006. What am I missing?

The similarities:

-Both Miami DCs
-Both "Miami guys" (a meaningless quality)
-Both immediately replaced a failed head coach
-Neither had any head coaching experience (let alone P5 head coaching experience)
-Neither had any other P5 HC offers when hired

The differences:

-Randy won NCs as both a player and coach at Miami, Manny did not
-Randy had a reputation for being a strong recruiter in the area, Manny does not
-Randy coached multiple first round picks at Miami, Manny has not
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You’ll get beat up for this. Manny seems to have a following. One thing, it what regard is Manny a Miami guy? Despite his father being Mayor, Manny went to FSU. He is nole, not a Miami guy. He coached in missippi, Louisiana, and Texas. Why is he a Miami guy? Randy was a Miami guy.
 
BigJoeGrizzly said:
I understand that but what scheme is Manny’s signature schtick? Shannon was about the Monte Kiffin cover 2 scheme and for example Jim Schwartz was a zone blitz kind of DC.

See this is my knock on Manny what did he do differently to separate himself than the other DCs outside of Dorito? They all utilized the typical downhill aggressive Miami approach so if true why is Manny viewed as some film room wizard and innovator?
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Andrew said:
The answer is decision making. Diaz continually modified his defense based on actual results. Diaz got DC offers after being fired as a DC at Texas. It took Shannon 7 years and he is at UCF.
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Not valid comparision. Randy got fire as HC of Miami. To fail as HC ar at Miami is death after 4 HCs left for nfl HC jobs. Manny was an assistant at UT. Even Al’s boyfriend got a DC job after Miami. Plus I think Randy worked other team before Ucf.
 
tcgrad1014 said:
Somebody explain to me how Diaz is a more attractive hire than Shannon was in 2006. What am I missing?

The similarities:

-Both Miami DCs
-Both "Miami guys" (a meaningless quality)
-Both immediately replaced a failed head coach
-Neither had any head coaching experience (let alone P5 head coaching experience)
-Neither had any other P5 HC offers when hired

The differences:

-Randy won NCs as both a player and coach at Miami, Manny did not
-Randy had a reputation for being a strong recruiter in the area, Manny does not
-Randy coached multiple first round picks at Miami, Manny has not
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Just from the interviews alone Manny will sell the program better. Shannon in his final days as coach could not!

Manny’s carisma already have guys wanting to jump back on as recruits even after they have signed LOI! In Shannon final days as coach he could not get top quality recruits other than SFL to come here!

Manny in my opinion could get top quality OLn from the Midwest and rural America to come here. In Shannon final days here he could not get top flight OLn from SFL to sign on as recruits!

I liked Shannon as a DC but he failed as HC! His hire had limits and the program suffered as a result! He was a terrible interview! And had a difficult time getting top recruits from White America! Shannon had no problem with the inner city kids down here to come to UM. I didn’t like that he struggled Nationally but it’s just the facts!
 
Manny has:

  • tremendous charisma,
  • an obvious fire in his belly (and the players feed of that passion),
  • good communication skills,
  • the ability to make tough decisions that are in the best interest of the program (instead of playing favorites),
  • the ability to lure quality coaches to work on his staff,
  • the potential to bring additional spanish speaking fans to games,
  • creativity (see Turnover chain) and some exotic blitz packages,
  • the intelligence to play a brand of defense that utilizes the athletic abilities of South Florida athletes to the max and lets them generate great team & personal stats (which must be very attractive to defensive recruits). He's also taking the same approach on offense,
  • great leadership qualities, and
  • a strong work ethic.

Randy was a great Cane. He was also a very good DC (particularly with elite talent on the roster). I think Randy was much better suited to being a DC than a HC. We all know what Randy's limitations were as a HC. I agree with others that we shouldn't bag on Randy as he was a great Cane and devoted much of his life to the program. He did make some great contributions both as a player and a coach. I actually think he would have done quite well as a HC had he hired the right OC from the outset and recruiting had remained strong throughout his tenure. He didn't have the gravitas or the connections to hire big name coordinators. Towards the end of his tenure, their had to be serious questions from potential coaching hires and recruits as to Randy's likely longevity with the program (which made things even tougher).

I'd choose to play for Manny over Randy any day of the week.
 
For those favoring Manny because of his charisma, passion etc., why have those attributes not translated into recruiting success while serving as DC?
 
tcgrad1014 said:
Somebody explain to me how Diaz is a more attractive hire than Shannon was in 2006. What am I missing?

The similarities:

-Both Miami DCs
-Both "Miami guys" (a meaningless quality)
-Both immediately replaced a failed head coach
-Neither had any head coaching experience (let alone P5 head coaching experience)
-Neither had any other P5 HC offers when hired

The differences:

-Randy won NCs as both a player and coach at Miami, Manny did not
-Randy had a reputation for being a strong recruiter in the area, Manny does not
-Randy coached multiple first round picks at Miami, Manny has not
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Even though they're both minorities Randy is still BLACK. NUFF SAID.
 
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tcgrad1014 said:
For those favoring Manny because of his charisma, passion etc., why have those attributes not translated into recruiting success while serving as DC?
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Because most elite recruits can usually separate style from substance. So far they have largely been right. His style and passion plays well in front of a mic and against G5 or inferior P5 opponents -- not so much against good teams with good offenses.

Most top recruits want to compete for championships. And judging from Manny's recruiting results so far, elite recruits don't seem to think he can.
 
tcgrad1014 said:
Somebody explain to me how Diaz is a more attractive hire than Shannon was in 2006. What am I missing?

The similarities:

-Both Miami DCs
-Both "Miami guys" (a meaningless quality)
-Both immediately replaced a failed head coach
-Neither had any head coaching experience (let alone P5 head coaching experience)
-Neither had any other P5 HC offers when hired

The differences:

-Randy won NCs as both a player and coach at Miami, Manny did not
-Randy had a reputation for being a strong recruiter in the area, Manny does not
-Randy coached multiple first round picks at Miami, Manny has not
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Randy had almost no experience outside of Miami. So not only was his coaching circle very small, he was limited because the administration didn't give him a respectable amount of salary for legit staff members
 
Dwinstitles said:
The only time Shannon ever did a **** thing was when he had the greatest defense ever built by Butch
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Bruh the defense was good for years after Butch's players were gone under Shannon. Infact, Shannon led the nation in pass defense 1 year with Clappy recruits
 
tcgrad1014 said:
My point is not that Manny will fail. I have no idea if he will, and certainly hope he doesn't. My point is that he was a rushed hire without proper consideration given to more qualified possibilities.
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Ok, feel better now?
 
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Astcloud11 said:
Randy had almost no experience outside of Miami. So not only was his coaching circle very small, he was limited because the administration didn't give him a respectable amount of salary for legit staff members
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^^^ this, right here. Randy was upfront about how small his circle of coaching contacts was. That was a huge red flag to me. His hiring as HC was a huge mistake. Fortunately, over the last 7 or 8 years, he has probably benefitted greatly by moving around so much.
 
tcgrad1014 said:
Somebody explain to me how Diaz is a more attractive hire than Shannon was in 2006. What am I missing?

The similarities:

-Both Miami DCs
-Both "Miami guys" (a meaningless quality)
-Both immediately replaced a failed head coach
-Neither had any head coaching experience (let alone P5 head coaching experience)
-Neither had any other P5 HC offers when hired

The differences:

-Randy won NCs as both a player and coach at Miami, Manny did not
-Randy had a reputation for being a strong recruiter in the area, Manny does not
-Randy coached multiple first round picks at Miami, Manny has not
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TOP RAMEN!!

Anyway, Shannon displayed no redeeming qualities that would lead you to believe he could be successful whereas Diaz does. Shannon hired **** staff so let's see who Diaz can bring in.

I think at the time a lot of people were just excited Coker was out and WANTED Randy to succeed but it was apparent he was way over his head. Not a CEO type.

I still would've preferred Brown or Campbell to Diaz, but I will say Diaz is showing signs he could be successful.
 
Canegrad89 said:
Manny has:

  • tremendous charisma,
  • an obvious fire in his belly (and the players feed of that passion),
  • good communication skills,
  • the ability to make tough decisions that are in the best interest of the program (instead of playing favorites),
  • the ability to lure quality coaches to work on his staff,
  • the potential to bring additional spanish speaking fans to games,
  • creativity (see Turnover chain) and some exotic blitz packages,
  • the intelligence to play a brand of defense that utilizes the athletic abilities of South Florida athletes to the max and lets them generate great team & personal stats (which must be very attractive to defensive recruits). He's also taking the same approach on offense,
  • great leadership qualities, and
  • a strong work ethic.

Randy was a great Cane. He was also a very good DC (particularly with elite talent on the roster). I think Randy was much better suited to being a DC than a HC. We all know what Randy's limitations were as a HC. I agree with others that we shouldn't bag on Randy as he was a great Cane and devoted much of his life to the program. He did make some great contributions both as a player and a coach. I actually think he would have done quite well as a HC had he hired the right OC from the outset and recruiting had remained strong throughout his tenure. He didn't have the gravitas or the connections to hire big name coordinators. Towards the end of his tenure, their had to be serious questions from potential coaching hires and recruits as to Randy's likely longevity with the program (which made things even tougher).

I'd choose to play for Manny over Randy any day of the week.
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The point is Randy Shannon didn't have the broad appeal to attract top coaches from across America! Randy started plucking too many local coaches from high school and putting them in important places within the program. The same could be said about recruits! His biggest problem was attracting top QBs to come here. Too many plan Bs when he got stood up on signing day! With Diaz I don't see that happening unless he really crap the bed! I envision Manny taking this thing back to new heights!
 
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