Randy let Luther Robinson start 2 games even though

[JHallCanes]

 

[01rodric]

The lawschool Subway was always packed with FB players during randy's tenure.

FACK

 

[Staybon]

Who did Miami have at the DT rotation in 2010? Maybe that would 'splain why Luther got PT. DT had never been a deep position the past few seasons and maybe the thinking was that they needed bodies on the field.

Doesn't excuse the failing of the test, however it may explain why he played.

If I remembered correctly, we only had 4/5 at the time... It was Forston, Porter, Lewis, Smith and Bailey... Bailey started at DE and sometimes moved inside, Lewis was hurt against Famu and Porter was hurt against OSU... To be fair Golden did the same thing with Grimble, King and in some cases Darius Smith last year due to injuries... Those guys was not physically ready but they was forced into action due to injuries... I mean just like Bailey was sliding inside, Golden did the same with Ojomo...

yep. Robinson was starting cause of injuries. He didn't do bad either. Some guys work themselves into shape during the season - not good but its not that rare either. Wasn't expecting him to even play that year. Its great that he's in shape and a lot stronger now, but no point in making a huge deal of him not passing a conditioning test his true freshman year and playing toward the end of it. and no point when you know how many injuries occurred at that position that year. joe joseph went from not on the depth chart to starting his sophomore year in a matter of a week cause of Sooner chop blocks. **** happens.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

/DEAD

 

[UM2020]

Corch gon corch

 

[BigDikCane]

dammit shannon... he'll never get a head coaching job... dude just collected a check and went on about his business...

 

[razrcane]

Jesus, no wonder we struggled against USF

Smh

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Yet we had some fans who argued vehemently that there was no problem with the strength and conditioning of this team in recent years.

 

[Bennubird]

Agreed. Robinson knew he had no business eating large pizzas by himself and not being in the best condition he could be in. And Shannon knew that guys who can't pass a conditioning test aren't going to contribute much on the football field. He needed to find a way to get Luther and the other guys who weren't doing what they were supposed to do to commit to doing better.

Like Larry I'm also in the wait and see mode with a lot of our older players. We'll see how much they've changed over the next couple of weeks.

Seriously, was this more an indictment on Luther or Shannon?

In defense of Robinson, he wasn't the adult, here

How about both? I'm not a huge fan of absolving guys of responsibility just because the coaching failed. Conditions allowed a lot of these guys to be lazy but that doesnt mean they had to be lazy. Robinson has been a seldom-used player here--it's certainly on him in part that he allowed himself to be soft despite languishing on the pine.

This whole idea of guys doing a bunch of nothing until they become draft-eligible is why I couldnt stand guys like Tyrone Moss. I'm personally not turning a blind eye to that just because the coaching changed. I'm sure Robinson's not so clueless that he didnt understand that better offseason work would help him play.

 

[NVA CANE]

Well what the **** was randy shannon doing through all his years playing under and coaching for JJ, Butch, etc. DId he learn nothing? Did he not take notes. You would think he came to Miami from the Lingerie League. You have to be stuck on stupid for most of your career from playing to coaching to have been at miami yet run the program as though you had never even heard of football before.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

To be fair Golden did the same thing last year... Didnt Corey King, Grimble and Pierre play when they werent ready? They were forced into action just like Smith... Due to injuries the three aforementioned players were forced to play just like when Porter and Lewis were both hurt... We even moved Bailey to the inside to help out... Shannon made a lot of mmistakes which contributed to his failure but some things we blame him for is ridiculous especially when Golden did the same thing because of injuries...

 

[GhostofVenice01]

To be fair Golden did the same thing last year... Didnt Corey King, Grimble and Pierre play when they werent ready? They were forced into action just like Smith... Due to injuries the three aforementioned players were forced to play just like when Porter and Lewis were both hurt... We even moved Bailey to the inside to help out... Shannon made a lot of mmistakes which contributed to his failure but some things we blame him for is ridiculous especially when Golden did the same thing because of injuries...

LOL@ Comparing a 1st year coach with Shammin in his 3rd season

 

[Staybon]

To be fair Golden did the same thing last year... Didnt Corey King, Grimble and Pierre play when they werent ready? They were forced into action just like Smith... Due to injuries the three aforementioned players were forced to play just like when Porter and Lewis were both hurt... We even moved Bailey to the inside to help out... Shannon made a lot of mmistakes which contributed to his failure but some things we blame him for is ridiculous especially when Golden did the same thing because of injuries...

LOL@ Comparing a 1st year coach with Shammin in his 3rd season

1st year at UM. more head coach experience than Shannon overall though. And was the same situation. Corey King wasn't supposed to see the field. Just enough injuries and guys have to play. Not a big deal in either case. When you have a lot of injuries at one spot you end up playing guys who otherwise would be watching the entire season.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

To be fair Golden did the same thing last year... Didnt Corey King, Grimble and Pierre play when they werent ready? They were forced into action just like Smith... Due to injuries the three aforementioned players were forced to play just like when Porter and Lewis were both hurt... We even moved Bailey to the inside to help out... Shannon made a lot of mmistakes which contributed to his failure but some things we blame him for is ridiculous especially when Golden did the same thing because of injuries...

LOL@ Comparing a 1st year coach with Shammin in his 3rd season

1st year at UM. more head coach experience than Shannon overall though. And was the same situation. Corey King wasn't supposed to see the field. Just enough injuries and guys have to play. Not a big deal in either case. When you have a lot of injuries at one spot you end up playing guys who otherwise would be watching the entire season.

Key words here....... Its not like he had alot of say in the depth he had first day coming in

Which goes right back to Shammin leaving he cupboard empty

 

[Staybon]

To be fair Golden did the same thing last year... Didnt Corey King, Grimble and Pierre play when they werent ready? They were forced into action just like Smith... Due to injuries the three aforementioned players were forced to play just like when Porter and Lewis were both hurt... We even moved Bailey to the inside to help out... Shannon made a lot of mmistakes which contributed to his failure but some things we blame him for is ridiculous especially when Golden did the same thing because of injuries...

LOL@ Comparing a 1st year coach with Shammin in his 3rd season

1st year at UM. more head coach experience than Shannon overall though. And was the same situation. Corey King wasn't supposed to see the field. Just enough injuries and guys have to play. Not a big deal in either case. When you have a lot of injuries at one spot you end up playing guys who otherwise would be watching the entire season.

Key words here....... Its not like he had alot of say in the depth he had first day coming in

Which goes right back to Shammin leaving he cupboard empty

wasn't empty at DT though. Had Forston, Porter, Robinson, and Regis all returning. 4 deep with guys who've started. Jeffrey Brown had RS'ed and figured he'd be ready to play if injuries occur. Jeremy Lewis was at DT too and had played some because of injuries and didn't embarrass himself but didn't exactly make you think he should play more either. But he was there in case there was a rash of injuries again. That's 6 dudes that would be available - 4 of which with starting experience. 1 gets arrested and booted. 1 gets switched to OG. Forston gets hurt early. Robinson gets hurt in the off season if i remember right. And Porter is hurt too. Go from 6 deep to struggling to field enough for a game real quick. How is that Shannon's fault? injuries are part of the game.

wasn't a great bunch of DTs, but was a good enough to win with group if circumstances, position changes and injuries don't wipe it out.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

To be fair Golden did the same thing last year... Didnt Corey King, Grimble and Pierre play when they werent ready? They were forced into action just like Smith... Due to injuries the three aforementioned players were forced to play just like when Porter and Lewis were both hurt... We even moved Bailey to the inside to help out... Shannon made a lot of mmistakes which contributed to his failure but some things we blame him for is ridiculous especially when Golden did the same thing because of injuries...

LOL@ Comparing a 1st year coach with Shammin in his 3rd season

1st year at UM. more head coach experience than Shannon overall though. And was the same situation. Corey King wasn't supposed to see the field. Just enough injuries and guys have to play. Not a big deal in either case. When you have a lot of injuries at one spot you end up playing guys who otherwise would be watching the entire season.

Key words here....... Its not like he had alot of say in the depth he had first day coming in

Which goes right back to Shammin leaving he cupboard empty

wasn't empty at DT though. Had Forston, Porter, Robinson, and Regis all returning. 4 deep with guys who've started. Jeffrey Brown had RS'ed and figured he'd be ready to play if injuries occur. Jeremy Lewis was at DT too and had played some because of injuries and didn't embarrass himself but didn't exactly make you think he should play more either. But he was there in case there was a rash of injuries again. That's 6 dudes that would be available - 4 of which with starting experience. 1 gets arrested and booted. 1 gets switched to OG. Forston gets hurt early. Robinson gets hurt in the off season if i remember right. And Porter is hurt too. Go from 6 deep to struggling to field enough for a game real quick. How is that Shannon's fault? injuries are part of the game.

wasn't a great bunch of DTs, but was a good enough to win with group if circumstances, position changes and injuries don't wipe it out.

Whats red and rhymes with pegged?

 

[Mangum]

LOL@ Comparing a 1st year coach with Shammin in his 3rd season

1st year at UM. more head coach experience than Shannon overall though. And was the same situation. Corey King wasn't supposed to see the field. Just enough injuries and guys have to play. Not a big deal in either case. When you have a lot of injuries at one spot you end up playing guys who otherwise would be watching the entire season.

Key words here....... Its not like he had alot of say in the depth he had first day coming in

Which goes right back to Shammin leaving he cupboard empty

wasn't empty at DT though. Had Forston, Porter, Robinson, and Regis all returning. 4 deep with guys who've started. Jeffrey Brown had RS'ed and figured he'd be ready to play if injuries occur. Jeremy Lewis was at DT too and had played some because of injuries and didn't embarrass himself but didn't exactly make you think he should play more either. But he was there in case there was a rash of injuries again. That's 6 dudes that would be available - 4 of which with starting experience. 1 gets arrested and booted. 1 gets switched to OG. Forston gets hurt early. Robinson gets hurt in the off season if i remember right. And Porter is hurt too. Go from 6 deep to struggling to field enough for a game real quick. How is that Shannon's fault? injuries are part of the game.

wasn't a great bunch of DTs, but was a good enough to win with group if circumstances, position changes and injuries don't wipe it out.

Whats red and rhymes with pegged?

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

Well what the **** was randy shannon doing through all his years playing under and coaching for JJ, Butch, etc. DId he learn nothing? Did he not take notes. You would think he came to Miami from the Lingerie League. You have to be stuck on stupid for most of your career from playing to coaching to have been at miami yet run the program as though you had never even heard of football before.

I think Shannon was more just the intolerant type. If you didn't do what he said, he wasn't going to find some way to derive improvement from you. He'd just shut you out, not let you play, not bother with you, and not care about the fact that you aren't happy about it. Then you can do better....or not. That's why part of it still falls on the player--there's no way Luther was sitting around not playing and thinking "hey, I wonder if this pizza and mouth breathing matters or not?"

Truth be told, I'm not sure Golden did much different. People reference some story where Golden just brought the guy in and said "you really think you're going to do 12 reps and play?" They were going to make the guy an OG or something for Christ's sake. Luther himself had to see an opportunity and want to get there. To his credit, he did. To his discredit, it took him until he was draft eligible to do it ala fat Moss and some others who for some reason are viewed as pariahs rather than lauded like fat Luther.

Where Golden would appear to be bettering Shannon (well, there are a lot of areas it seems, but we'll see) is creating some environment where competition is strong and guys are all on alert--he's got the guys in unison trying to get better it would seem. I think Shannon's nature was more antagonistic and also he allowed for some complacency. A few guys worked hard, a lot didn't know what working hard was, and a lot just languished and hated him because he didn't like them much either. But at the core of it the player still has to do the work. It's not just a coach's fault that Luther decided to eat pizza instead of run. If you can't pass the conditioning test, it's no mystery that you need to change.

 

[rsa coral gables]

Well what the **** was randy shannon doing through all his years playing under and coaching for JJ, Butch, etc. DId he learn nothing? Did he not take notes. You would think he came to Miami from the Lingerie League. You have to be stuck on stupid for most of your career from playing to coaching to have been at miami yet run the program as though you had never even heard of football before.

I think Shannon was more just the intolerant type. If you didn't do what he said, he wasn't going to find some way to derive improvement from you. He'd just shut you out, not let you play, not bother with you, and not care about the fact that you aren't happy about it. Then you can do better....or not. That's why part of it still falls on the player--there's no way Luther was sitting around not playing and thinking "hey, I wonder if this pizza and mouth breathing matters or not?"

Truth be told, I'm not sure Golden did much different. People reference some story where Golden just brought the guy in and said "you really think you're going to do 12 reps and play?" They were going to make the guy an OG or something for Christ's sake. Luther himself had to see an opportunity and want to get there. To his credit, he did. To his discredit, it took him until he was draft eligible to do it ala fat Moss and some others who for some reason are viewed as pariahs rather than lauded like fat Luther.

Where Golden would appear to be bettering Shannon (well, there are a lot of areas it seems, but we'll see) is creating some environment where competition is strong and guys are all on alert--he's got the guys in unison trying to get better it would seem. I think Shannon's nature was more antagonistic and also he allowed for some complacency. A few guys worked hard, a lot didn't know what working hard was, and a lot just languished and hated him because he didn't like them much either. But at the core of it the player still has to do the work. It's not just a coach's fault that Luther decided to eat pizza instead of run. If you can't pass the conditioning test, it's no mystery that you need to change.

the difference between shannon and golden can be reduced to one word - leadership. shannon had none; golden appears to have it in excess. a good leader will know how to get you to do things you did not think you could do or did not want to do. he will understand that everyone is different and will use different motivating tools. he will inspire you to disregard selfish interests for the good of the team. he will lay out clear rules and goals and give you the tools and opportunity to achieve them. he will accompany you while you struggle. he will be compassionate, understanding that we are taking about kids. but he will be exacting when required.

i liked shannon a great deal and wish he would have succeeded here. however, he did not and is likely not to succeed as a HC elsewhere. he is a stubborn, cold and difficult person. and he is definitely not a leader.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

To be fair Golden did the same thing last year... Didnt Corey King, Grimble and Pierre play when they werent ready? They were forced into action just like Smith... Due to injuries the three aforementioned players were forced to play just like when Porter and Lewis were both hurt... We even moved Bailey to the inside to help out... Shannon made a lot of mmistakes which contributed to his failure but some things we blame him for is ridiculous especially when Golden did the same thing because of injuries...

LOL@ Comparing a 1st year coach with Shammin in his 3rd season

1st year at UM. more head coach experience than Shannon overall though. And was the same situation. Corey King wasn't supposed to see the field. Just enough injuries and guys have to play. Not a big deal in either case. When you have a lot of injuries at one spot you end up playing guys who otherwise would be watching the entire season.

Key words here....... Its not like he had alot of say in the depth he had first day coming in

Which goes right back to Shammin leaving he cupboard empty

It doesn't matter what year you are... If you have plethora of injuries you have to play the best available person... Its not like Robinson unseated 3 people sstarted he was forced into the situation due to injuries just like Grimble, King, Pierre, etc. None of those players were physically ready but they had to play because of the circumstances... I don't see it as a big deal for either coach, you have to do what you have to do...