Question about recruiting

EL U

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Because everyone is throwing a conniption fit over the silliest things.

UM’s tuition is quite high and that has an effect on recruiting. Schools will use academic loopholes to help play for players’ tuition, and although UM does this too, more could certainly be done.

However, all of this about Rice and Stanford’s recruiting compared to ours is also absurd because if you look at recruiting rankings, we’re elite each year.

Jagar makes a point about being excited simply for a regionals berth. That alone is simply not the standard here, long term. BUT, after missing the tournament two years in a row, and with a new energy around the program, it’s perfectly acceptable in the short term to get hype over a return to major postseason baseball. Who knows, with a good draw and a hot streak at the right time this year’s team is good enough to make a bit of a deep run.

Moving forward with the elite recruiting classes (YES...elite recruiting...I mean that!) getting back to Omaha and even winning it all is within reach.

And as for South Florida players, there are elite. However, the complexities of the sport at this level are different than football, with direct entry to the pros out of high school, the Juco element, and a bit of a foreign flavor to it all as well. Football style recruiting ‘bags’ also don’t play the same type of role. As a result, LSU and Vandy not having South Florida players is different than Alabama and UGA hoarding greater Miami. Becides, with players commiting earlier than ever before, they stay local as out-of-State coaches won’t travel before to recruit before the contact period.
 

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Because everyone is throwing a conniption fit over the silliest things.

UM’s tuition is quite high and that has an effect on recruiting. Schools will use academic loopholes to help play for players’ tuition, and although UM does this too, more could certainly be done.

However, all of this about Rice and Stanford’s recruiting compared to ours is also absurd because if you look at recruiting rankings, we’re elite each year.

Jagar makes a point about being excited simply for a regionals berth. That alone is simply not the standard here, long term. BUT, after missing the tournament two years in a row, and with a new energy around the program, it’s perfectly acceptable in the short term to get hype over a return to major postseason baseball. Who knows, with a good draw and a hot streak at the right time this year’s team is good enough to make a bit of a deep run.

Moving forward with the elite recruiting classes (YES...elite recruiting...I mean that!) getting back to Omaha and even winning it all is within reach.

And as for South Florida players, there are elite. However, the complexities of the sport at this level are different than football, with direct entry to the pros out of high school, the Juco element, and a bit of a foreign flavor to it all as well. Football style recruiting ‘bags’ also don’t play the same type of role. As a result, LSU and Vandy not having South Florida players is different than Alabama and UGA hoarding greater Miami. Becides, with players commiting earlier than ever before, they stay local as out-of-State coaches won’t travel before to recruit before the contact period.
Completely agree.

Yes, making a Regional is not our standard, I'll give Jagr that, but as you said it is a reasonable goal for this year given how young we are and how we've missed the post-season the next 2 years.

Next year, when we return pretty much everyone who plays but Veliz, McKendry, and maybe Amditis, and add another good recruiting class, the expectation of competing for the ACC, hosting Regionals, and heading to Omaha returns.

Last year was rock bottom but it's obvious we're on an upward trajectory, and it's almost all due to bringing in excellent recruiting classes the past 2 years
 

Jaromir Jagr

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Yes, making a Regional is not our standard, I'll give Jagr that, but as you said it is a reasonable goal for this year given how young we are and how we've missed the post-season the next 2 years.
And I will give you that if someone will finally admit that we weren't fine, that someone blatantly mismanaged the program. But people can't rip me for calling a spade a spade while they continue to make excuses for 2017-18. They can't have it both ways.
 

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Vanderbilt has more players from the great baseball state of Illinois than they do from south Florida.
And Vanderbilt has a total of three CWS appearances, ever.

So how's that working for them?

I'd love to compare trophy rooms with them and then we can see which recruiting strategy is better.
 

EL U

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And Vanderbilt has a total of three CWS appearances, ever.

So how's that working for them?

I'd love to compare trophy rooms with them and then we can see which recruiting strategy is better.
That’s another good point. Since winning it all in ‘14 and runner-up in ‘15, Vandy hasn’t been back to Omaha. This game even as we got one more trip in ‘16 before falling into the abyss.

While they’ve more than held own during our down years, people have to act like they somehow score five runs per grand slam.
 

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By the way, in Vanderbilt's next two recruiting classes (2019-20) they have 6 players committed from Dade-Broward-Palm Beach.

No other state has more than that in their classes.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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Join us in the future. Vandy has done better by avoiding South Florida. Yeah, we know.....2001.

FYI, six players over two years is an embarrassingly small sample size.
 

Peter Gibbons

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FYI, six players over two years is an embarrassingly small sample size.
If they could sign more, they would.

But they can't because they get beat out for 80% of the best players. So they try to scoop up a couple of the rest.

Vanderbilt has to recruit nationally. They have no other choice. They couldn't win with just kids from Tennessee. I bet you that they prioritize the one or two top TN kids every year, though.

Which is the point.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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So recruiting nationally makes you one of the best programs in the country. Weird.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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Miami recruits locally, misses two straight postseasons, hasn't come close to a title in 18 years.

Vanderbilt occasionally grabs a south Florida guy, is consistently in contention to host.
 

Peter Gibbons

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Miami recruits locally, misses two straight postseasons, hasn't come close to a title in 18 years.

Vanderbilt occasionally grabs a south Florida guy, is consistently in contention to host.
Miami has recruited locally and is one of the best programs in the history of the sport.

Vanderbilt has recruited nationally and has sucked for 85% of their history.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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Key word: "history".

Time to do what it takes to win from 2019 into the future. Recruiting local kids to win in 2001 is...."history".
 

Peter Gibbons

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So Vanderbilt's 2002 roster had players from 15 different states and DC.

As usual, Jagr is theory rich but evidence poor.
 

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Bottom line, South Florida is loaded with talent BUT recruiting today is WAY different than even 10 years ago. Social media, bigger travel budgets, etc.
This is a different game now. Clemson is the absolute best right now at recruiting. Dabo does not try to grab every 5 star that is our there. He goes for kids that fit his program and character guys too if possible.
Diaz is a much better recruiter than Richt. He relates to the young guys today and understands what he wants the teams personality to be. I actually think one of the best things to happen to him was to be the Temple coach for a split second. This reminded him of the talent in other areas of the country as well. If Diaz is going to win, he absolutely needs to recruit the country. The prior staff was too worried about who has connections in South Florida. You need to win, and that will help recruiting locally in dramatic fashion. You need a staff that has connections across the different regions of the country for sure.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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Recruiting mediocre players nationally allows you to miss the postseason just as easily as recruiting travel ball heroes locally, it seems.

So, recruit great players nationally. That was obvious, but some people have to argue semantics in order to forget Jim's last two seasons.
 
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