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Based on common sense you ****ing moron.

He's not Ryan Kerrigan stop making him out to be. Lol I can literally count 7 games where I saw Chick not hold contain. Please Keep him away from my Ravens

Nobody thinks he's Ryan Kerrigan. Not many people are. But saying that Chickilo struggled to hold-contain means very little. He's not a hold-contain player and that's the argument people are making.

I hope he doesn't go to the Ravens either. He wouldn't thrive in that system either. Put him on the Texans/Rams and he can be productive.

So, if he can't hold-contain AND can't 2-gap, what can he do?

When you 2-gap, you are holding and containing. You just stated the action and result of the scheme.

As evidenced by his recent draft stock improvement, he shows that he can get up the field and makes plays in the backfield. At the very least he can be consistently disruptive in the right setting and he can disturb the edge and corner line settings. That's one activity he can do.
ok, my point is that even in a 4-3, he still would be responsible for containing the edge. There are many different ways to run 3-4 and 4-3. Just because a player is asked to be disruptive and get up field doesn't mean he can forget about containing the edge. Again there are many different ways to 3/4,4/3, one gap, two gap, hybrid, .......

You said he isn't a hold contain player. My point is......that's the defensive ends primary responsibility....in almost all schemes.
 
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How much does AQM weigh now? He gotta be 260 at least.

Saw him at Nikki Beach and he said he was 263. He looked it that's for **** sure. And had to have been less then 10% body fat. If we cant get him into the 1st round of the draft....smh.
 
That dude that was playing QB looked like he was scared for his life. Hahahahaha. His reaction is priceless.
 
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Yes we all saw that explosive power on that play but he showed a lot more than just that on the play. He read the O lineman really well, he started out using a speed rush trying to beat him to the outside and then saw that Jones had a good jump to block him but Quan adjusted really quick and knew he had Jones caught mid step and just destroyed him. That was impressive.

Those adjustments are what makes a great NFL DL, like JJ Watt he always says he knows within 2-3 steps whether or not to keep pursuing the QB or to wait on the ball to deflect it. Quan knew he was beat on the outside and adjusted. Too many times last year our DL would be beat on the outside and just keep going leaving the edge wide open for a dump off and end up 10 yards behind the QB with no chance at making a play.
 
very impressive. i'd like to see this from other guys as well and overall i would like to see more technique from the dline as a whole. I rarely see a rip technique and never see anyone swim. can't just speed or bull rush everyone and this is something that hasn't been addressed on this team for a decade.
 
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Let me dispel something here. Nobody in their right mind is saying Chickilo is the next JJ Watt. He isn't.

But the ultimate fact of the matter is that since Chickilo has been away from Golden, D'Onofrio, and the staff, his draft stock has done nothing but rise and rise quickly. He has a distinct ceiling. He isn't some future Pro-Bowler. He's not really even an immediate impact player. But since he has slimmed down and gotten away from the hold-contain scheme and been allowed to rely more on athleticism and aggression like he did in high school and his freshman year, he's upped himself in the draft and he did so against high caliber seniors in the East-West Game that was full of future NFL players and some of a high round level.

If he had been allowed to play as such from the beginning, he would be rated higher in the draft. That's all there is to it. He was never the next Danny Stubbs or Jadeveon Clowney and the people saying he was have a ***** loose but the people saying that he topped out in college or that he's not all that good are just being disingenuous and trying to pretend he's not NFL caliber in the first place. Had he ben allowed to get up the field and play fast, he'd be a high 4th round pick at his peak. As of now and what he's attempted to show in the last two months to overcome the last three years, he's a 6th round and very slimly 5th round pick.

Like I said before, he's done nothing but improve his draft stock. And while that is commendable it's not proof that he was misused. Granted, the possibility is there, but we don't have any real evidence of that yet.

It's exactly proof of that he was misused.

He was rated lower playing Golden's defensive philosophy.

He's now higher rated since changing up from what he did at Miami to what he's doing now to prepare for the draft as evidenced by his Shrine Game performance. Mayock and Davis, the draft experts, are coming out now and saying that he was misused. His combine performance indicates that his strength was getting up field, not holding a point of attack.

If you want to dig your heels in and say that it can't be evaluated whether or not he was misused until his NFL career is over, that's fine. But the argument is that when he was at a much smaller weight in college and geared more to attacking he was a much better player than when he was forced to add weight and hold his position. That is fact. He flat out performed better at a lighter weight (Freshman Year/East-West Shrine Game) than he did at a heavier weight. I'll even grant you that it's a small sample size but the tape doesn't lie and the difference is that pronounced.

His draft stock, the indication of how good the NFL believes he is and could be, rose with him playing aggressive. That's proof enough that real football experts feel he was misused. By your circle logic, we'll never know if he was misused because he can't go back and play his college career over at a lighter weight so, "proof," will be hard to come by. The next best alternative is that the NFL sees his strength from his recent increase in up field benefits and decrease in weight.
 
He's not Ryan Kerrigan stop making him out to be. Lol I can literally count 7 games where I saw Chick not hold contain. Please Keep him away from my Ravens

Nobody thinks he's Ryan Kerrigan. Not many people are. But saying that Chickilo struggled to hold-contain means very little. He's not a hold-contain player and that's the argument people are making.

I hope he doesn't go to the Ravens either. He wouldn't thrive in that system either. Put him on the Texans/Rams and he can be productive.

So, if he can't hold-contain AND can't 2-gap, what can he do?

When you 2-gap, you are holding and containing. You just stated the action and result of the scheme.

As evidenced by his recent draft stock improvement, he shows that he can get up the field and makes plays in the backfield. At the very least he can be consistently disruptive in the right setting and he can disturb the edge and corner line settings. That's one activity he can do.
ok, my point is that even in a 4-3, he still would be responsible for containing the edge. There are many different ways to run 3-4 and 4-3. Just because a player is asked to be disruptive and get up field doesn't mean he can forget about containing the edge. Again there are many different ways to 3/4,4/3, one gap, two gap, hybrid, .......

You said he isn't a hold contain player. My point is......that's the defensive ends primary responsibility....in almost all schemes.

I fundamentally disagree with portions of your response.

"Containing the edge," is a much more broad term that I think you're making it out to be. You can contain it by running hard into the tackle, coming to a dead stop, and trying to read and make a play from there. Or, and this example goes for Chickilo, you can attack the edge, get a tackle off balance or having to be reactionary, and shrink the edge entirely by attacking with speed.

He isn't a hold-contain player. That much is obvious. I'll classify him as an attack and contain player if that definition suits you better. "Contain," is a broad term. "Hold," is not.

You pretty much agreed with me and made my case for me but with a difference on the need to hold versus contain definitions.
 
Yes we all saw that explosive power on that play but he showed a lot more than just that on the play. He read the O lineman really well, he started out using a speed rush trying to beat him to the outside and then saw that Jones had a good jump to block him but Quan adjusted really quick and knew he had Jones caught mid step and just destroyed him. That was impressive.

Those adjustments are what makes a great NFL DL, like JJ Watt he always says he knows within 2-3 steps whether or not to keep pursuing the QB or to wait on the ball to deflect it. Quan knew he was beat on the outside and adjusted. Too many times last year our DL would be beat on the outside and just keep going leaving the edge wide open for a dump off and end up 10 yards behind the QB with no chance at making a play.

Hopefully he's allowed to make adjustments like that because he can be a difference maker. If we make him and Chad Thomas eat blocks all year I might ******* hurt someone.
 
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Yes we all saw that explosive power on that play but he showed a lot more than just that on the play. He read the O lineman really well, he started out using a speed rush trying to beat him to the outside and then saw that Jones had a good jump to block him but Quan adjusted really quick and knew he had Jones caught mid step and just destroyed him. That was impressive.

Those adjustments are what makes a great NFL DL, like JJ Watt he always says he knows within 2-3 steps whether or not to keep pursuing the QB or to wait on the ball to deflect it. Quan knew he was beat on the outside and adjusted. Too many times last year our DL would be beat on the outside and just keep going leaving the edge wide open for a dump off and end up 10 yards behind the QB with no chance at making a play.

Hopefully he's allowed to make adjustments like that because he can be a difference maker. If we make him and Chad Thomas eat blocks all year I might ****ing hurt someone.

Any indications that would suggest otherwise?
 
KC Mcdermott is the starting LT if healthy, and our next 1st round OL pick, theres noone in his talent level there, it would be known at any other program except Al Goldens bizarro musical chairs world of misinformation, the guy was basically sitting gadbois last year prior to injury as a true frosh
 
Contain responsibilities are determined by coverage, not whether a player is a DE or not. Despite being asked to play outta position His last 2 years, I think Chick held up well.
 
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"Oh he could in the right alignment. Please Chick had 4 seasons where he lined up outside the tackle plenty and never showed what people now thinks he has shown in one allstar game. Please.

"Never showed that"? How about this game against VT:

[video=youtube;70JAOMxKgC0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70JAOMxKgC0[/video]

IMO, Chick held His own for what they asked Him to do, especially His last 2 years at UM.
 
Nobody thinks he's Ryan Kerrigan. Not many people are. But saying that Chickilo struggled to hold-contain means very little. He's not a hold-contain player and that's the argument people are making.

I hope he doesn't go to the Ravens either. He wouldn't thrive in that system either. Put him on the Texans/Rams and he can be productive.

So, if he can't hold-contain AND can't 2-gap, what can he do?

When you 2-gap, you are holding and containing. You just stated the action and result of the scheme.

As evidenced by his recent draft stock improvement, he shows that he can get up the field and makes plays in the backfield. At the very least he can be consistently disruptive in the right setting and he can disturb the edge and corner line settings. That's one activity he can do.
ok, my point is that even in a 4-3, he still would be responsible for containing the edge. There are many different ways to run 3-4 and 4-3. Just because a player is asked to be disruptive and get up field doesn't mean he can forget about containing the edge. Again there are many different ways to 3/4,4/3, one gap, two gap, hybrid, .......

You said he isn't a hold contain player. My point is......that's the defensive ends primary responsibility....in almost all schemes.

I fundamentally disagree with portions of your response.

"Containing the edge," is a much more broad term that I think you're making it out to be. You can contain it by running hard into the tackle, coming to a dead stop, and trying to read and make a play from there. Or, and this example goes for Chickilo, you can attack the edge, get a tackle off balance or having to be reactionary, and shrink the edge entirely by attacking with speed.

He isn't a hold-contain player. That much is obvious. I'll classify him as an attack and contain player if that definition suits you better. "Contain," is a broad term. "Hold," is not.

You pretty much agreed with me and made my case for me but with a difference on the need to hold versus contain definitions.

I don't disagree that he was misused. Part of the misuse has to do with Al trying to fit square pegs in round holes. He didnt have the personnal for his system. Chick was the best player to fill that role.

Anyway, I was just playing devils advocate. Just because we all hate Golden, doesn't mean we can't have a **** discussion.
 
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