Agreed... if you want players to play 4 quarters as he states... then the coaches need to do that too instead of letting up.
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Agreed... if you want players to play 4 quarters as he states... then the coaches need to do that too instead of letting up.
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He must be a mope
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I think there's a very vast middle ground between not being happy the way the game ended (you and I both know any coach is going to do anything he can to teach, Heatherman would've said he wasn't happy if it ended 42-3), and being sickened.
I'm not saying I was jerking off in the stands as they were moving the ball in the 4th quarter, but again, when you step back and examine everything, I was thrilled with the performance overall and am beyond thrilled at how this team looks through 5 games.
There's nothing wrong with demanding perfection. I think we had a couple chances to really put the game away completely, and we didn't execute. Coach the **** out of that going forward, no doubt. But we're not making egregious coaching decisions, imo. That part scares me much more than a holding call stunting a drive in the 4th quarter, and things like that. The execution part can be coached and cleaned. If we were out there making heinous coaching decisions (which unfortunately we've all seen), I'd be much more concerned.
Agree with you on the depth piece as well. We have got to start getting some of the younger kids into these games on the defensive line.
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You hit on the only thing that really matters honestly
None of us have any impact on the game. Me stomping around my living room with my well defined quadriceps don’t change how Syracuse attacks our seams
Mario was LIVID. Bain was LIVID. Heatherman has never seen the sunshine
Even if some fans are “happy to be here” the team sure as **** isn’t and that’s all that matters
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I wasn’t the “ sickening “ guy lol, that was a bit much but I wasn’t happy in the three big games with how we played once up 2-3 td’s. Anyone that’s dismissing that or not thinking it’s not an issue is blind . Maybe I look at things more through a coaches perspective but great teams don’t let off the gas this much. That said I’d much rather having this issue than not being able to stop anyone like last year.
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I wasn’t stomping around but more annoyed like when you tell wifey your takeout order , repeat said order while knowing she’s gonna ***** it up , and then she does.
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Nah I know, wasn't insinuating you were, I was pointing to a lot of the climate of the board the last couple days. To me, there's way more crying than there needs to be, but this is what we do here.
I had way more of a problem with ND, honestly. I didn't like the way we played that one once we got up 21-7, just being only a two-score game with a quarter and a half to go. I really think the staff put too much stock into the true freshman on the road not being able to do anything, and it almost bit us.
The last 2, I didn't have much of an issue with. The gator, we should've been up 20-0 and that game is over. And even after they scored to make it 13-7, we threw the ball on our next 4 offensive snaps, with the last of those getting picked. So that makes you a little queasy as a staff. But when we had to have a drive, we pushed their **** in for like 8 minutes and ended the game.
And last week, the game was over. They honestly needed a 1% run-out just to make it a one-score game, and they got it. I'm really not sure what more we could've done differently on offense in the 4th quarter. Maybe a little bit more creative with the calls, but the run/pass mix was correct, IMO. The defense did play a little too soft, though. We just needed really one play to go differently, that 96 yard drive was 19 ******* plays.
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I was just sitting there like “this is ***”
But then reading people drunk as **** talking about how it was a terrible win and how it felt like a loss reminded me I’m glad I’m not them
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Yeah that was a bit much but I do feel if I play. I dress up in full uniform with eye black then align as an extra safety screaming audibles to nobody
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As a common team you and I share and I know NFL is different but our Eagles giving up a 17-3 lead to Broncos -conservative, awful play calling on offense.
We and up getting smacked in the mouth.
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Josh Pate put it well, analogizing trying to crank the car back up and it’s doesnt want to start because it’s cold. FSU didn’t have the horses to complete the comeback, but they felt like they did and played like it; and got unacceptably close imo.
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I won’t even bring all the red flags with that team to the forefront . We’ve been more lucky than good so far.
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I think we are a GREAT team, and that's what is frustrating at the end of the big 3 games..... it's self inflicted.. I don't think it's players effort, but more discipline with penalties at key moments to put games away... we'll never truly know who's to blame on the coaching side... Mario, Dawson, or mirabal?? but Mario is mr. macho asylum/dominate/destroy guy... freaking show us that... all these teams pooped on us for 25 years on the field and in recruits homes..... ND/UF/FSU deserved to be massively embarrassed... we have the horses to do so..... stop being cutesy....
I'm hoping Mario is open to listening the rumblings and starts to destroy folks the rest of the season...
I'm hoping Mario is open to listening the rumblings and starts to destroy folks the rest of the season...
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One play Moten just stood up and proceeded to dance with the OL
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For me, I’m just less concerned about playcalling and more concerned about late game execution on both sides of the ball. You can feel the players tightening up and playing tense with a lead. This team is still learning how to win and they are having to do so against talented opponents.
Someone said it earlier, but in each of these games, there have been moments where the kill shot happened or would have happened on offense without poor execution or bad officiating, frankly (Lofton missed block, Brown slip, Brown TD called back, Marion procedural penalty, etc.). However, when we DON’T get these kill shots, it feels like everyone kinda loses focus a bit.
A perfect example to me of our lack of focus/execution creeping in is the unfortunate pairing of our opening 4th quarter drive and FSU’s first scoring drive.
Offensively, we started the 4th quarter with a drive that ate ~4 minutes and was ultimately thrown off by a Lofton holding penalty and a Marion drop. Not good by any means, but not disastrous in terms of using clock, and again, it was killed by penalties and poor execution.
Now, to preface everything that’s about to be highlighted, I am not wholly BLAMING the defense for allowing the FSU comeback.
But to start the 4th after our drive, the defense gets on the field and lets FSU score in LESS than 3 minutes on a drive where you let up two third and longs.
At the end of the quarter, the defense was clearly gassed and it was undoubtedly exacerbated by the offense not being able to stay on the field, but you could argue if they didn’t let up the 2 minute touchdown drive to FSU on their first possession of the 4th when the defense should absolutely not have been gassed, the game could have more definitively been over.
Overall, the defense ended up letting FSU convert NINE 3rd/4th and longs in the 4th quarter alone and to me, you just HAVE to put part of the blame on poor execution.
Again, I am NOT blaming the defense. The offense did the defense absolutely no favors, and our defense is absolutely incredible and a joy to watch and has won us games. But in the second quarter our offense similarly had a stretch where we punted 3 times with penalties killing drives, so it’s a recurrent issue with the offense, but I’d argue it’s more of an issue with execution across the board and not conservative playcalling late in games.
The big difference I “feel” is that last year our issues were just totally unfixable and it was abundantly clear from VT onward.
This year feels fixable in terms of players executing late in games and learning how to continue to play loose with a lead. And it feels like the entire program is aware of that.
I’ll caveat all that, though, with the fact that I agree with Cribby — we need to find more rotation on the DL to avoid fatigue factor because it’s making it that much harder to clamp down with a lead. You saw it on the Jaden Baugh TD drive. These starters are being asked to do too much.
Someone said it earlier, but in each of these games, there have been moments where the kill shot happened or would have happened on offense without poor execution or bad officiating, frankly (Lofton missed block, Brown slip, Brown TD called back, Marion procedural penalty, etc.). However, when we DON’T get these kill shots, it feels like everyone kinda loses focus a bit.
A perfect example to me of our lack of focus/execution creeping in is the unfortunate pairing of our opening 4th quarter drive and FSU’s first scoring drive.
Offensively, we started the 4th quarter with a drive that ate ~4 minutes and was ultimately thrown off by a Lofton holding penalty and a Marion drop. Not good by any means, but not disastrous in terms of using clock, and again, it was killed by penalties and poor execution.
Now, to preface everything that’s about to be highlighted, I am not wholly BLAMING the defense for allowing the FSU comeback.
But to start the 4th after our drive, the defense gets on the field and lets FSU score in LESS than 3 minutes on a drive where you let up two third and longs.
At the end of the quarter, the defense was clearly gassed and it was undoubtedly exacerbated by the offense not being able to stay on the field, but you could argue if they didn’t let up the 2 minute touchdown drive to FSU on their first possession of the 4th when the defense should absolutely not have been gassed, the game could have more definitively been over.
Overall, the defense ended up letting FSU convert NINE 3rd/4th and longs in the 4th quarter alone and to me, you just HAVE to put part of the blame on poor execution.
Again, I am NOT blaming the defense. The offense did the defense absolutely no favors, and our defense is absolutely incredible and a joy to watch and has won us games. But in the second quarter our offense similarly had a stretch where we punted 3 times with penalties killing drives, so it’s a recurrent issue with the offense, but I’d argue it’s more of an issue with execution across the board and not conservative playcalling late in games.
The big difference I “feel” is that last year our issues were just totally unfixable and it was abundantly clear from VT onward.
This year feels fixable in terms of players executing late in games and learning how to continue to play loose with a lead. And it feels like the entire program is aware of that.
I’ll caveat all that, though, with the fact that I agree with Cribby — we need to find more rotation on the DL to avoid fatigue factor because it’s making it that much harder to clamp down with a lead. You saw it on the Jaden Baugh TD drive. These starters are being asked to do too much.
Also just have to point out if no one else has that Miami had a field goal taken off board against ND because of a terrible snap. A TD against UF because of a whistle and a TD against FSU because of bone head penalty. When you take points off board games get closer
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Anez Cooper usually does videos of the post game celebrations. i happen to find them in twitter since i don´t follow players.
can i assume that no such videos were broadcast?