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Putting the “concern” on paper

JHallCanes said:
A lot of comments without context so here’s the “concern” for me with numbers to show it

Notre Dame:

Miami goes up 21-7 and forces Notre Dame to punt

The next 4 drives we gain 15 yards on 13 plays

South Florida:

The game was a beat down in the final box however Miami goes up 28-6 and forces punt

Next 4 drives combined we gain 66 yards on 13 plays including 2 turnovers

Florida:

We go up 10-0 and our defense is dominating. Forces 4 punts in a row

In the next 6 drives we run 34 plays for 123 yards get a FG and turn it over once

FSU:

We go up 28-3 and force a punt

The rest of the game we run 17 plays for a total of 24 yards


So listen it’s college football. Winning is hard. It’s not PS5 on freshman level

Our defense is routinely putting us in position for kill shots and we are struggling to get it done. Individually it’s not necessarily a big deal and ultimately may not matter but this is the only small alarm bell im concerned with at the moment

Not a “concern” maybe just something worth noting
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This is a great analysis!
 
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Dawson has said flat out that Mirabal controls the running game. I’m personally not a big fan of it but it works more often than not.
 
JHallCanes said:
A lot of comments without context so here’s the “concern” for me with numbers to show it

Notre Dame:

Miami goes up 21-7 and forces Notre Dame to punt

The next 4 drives we gain 15 yards on 13 plays

South Florida:

The game was a beat down in the final box however Miami goes up 28-6 and forces punt

Next 4 drives combined we gain 66 yards on 13 plays including 2 turnovers

Florida:

We go up 10-0 and our defense is dominating. Forces 4 punts in a row

In the next 6 drives we run 34 plays for 123 yards get a FG and turn it over once

FSU:

We go up 28-3 and force a punt

The rest of the game we run 17 plays for a total of 24 yards


So listen it’s college football. Winning is hard. It’s not PS5 on freshman level

Our defense is routinely putting us in position for kill shots and we are struggling to get it done. Individually it’s not necessarily a big deal and ultimately may not matter but this is the only small alarm bell im concerned with at the moment

Not a “concern” maybe just something worth noting
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Valid post for sure.

I'm beyond thrilled with how the team has performed over the first five games, which on paper was the most difficult part of our schedule. But:

We raise four fingers at the start of the 4th to signify we own that quarter. Not counting Bethune Cookman we've been outscored 33-42 in the 4th this season.

I'm certainly aware we've controlled our games in first three quarters this year, which is to Mario's and the team's credit, absolutely. But we haven't owned the 4th and that's because Mario chooses to dial down the offense.

Mario thinks he's playing ball control offense in the 4th. But he's not. Yesterday our ball control offense held the ball for only 5:30 in the 4th. That's not ball control offense.

Playing ball control offense isn't a matter of calling run plays into the line or short passes to the line of scrimmage when our opponent know it's what Mario will do and stacks the box and crowds the line of scrimmage accordingly.

When an opposing defense stacks the box and crowds the line of scrimmage controlling the ball requires using the rest of the field where the offense enjoys favorable numbers, not running/throwing short into the strength of the defense against unfavorable numbers. Continually running/throwing short into the strength of the defensive alignment with a numbers disadvantage is the opposite of how to control the ball on offense.

But in the context of how the season has gone I'm nitpicking, I know.
 
JHallCanes said:
A lot of comments without context so here’s the “concern” for me with numbers to show it

Notre Dame:

Miami goes up 21-7 and forces Notre Dame to punt

The next 4 drives we gain 15 yards on 13 plays

South Florida:

The game was a beat down in the final box however Miami goes up 28-6 and forces punt

Next 4 drives combined we gain 66 yards on 13 plays including 2 turnovers

Florida:

We go up 10-0 and our defense is dominating. Forces 4 punts in a row

In the next 6 drives we run 34 plays for 123 yards get a FG and turn it over once

FSU:

We go up 28-3 and force a punt

The rest of the game we run 17 plays for a total of 24 yards


So listen it’s college football. Winning is hard. It’s not PS5 on freshman level

Our defense is routinely putting us in position for kill shots and we are struggling to get it done. Individually it’s not necessarily a big deal and ultimately may not matter but this is the only small alarm bell im concerned with at the moment

Not a “concern” maybe just something worth noting
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It’s definitely worth noting and I’m glad we have another buy week to really get that cleaned up. I know for a fact, that is bothering Mario and I believe he will get it cleaned up in this by week. At least I hope so.
 
I'm just surprised when it comes to late 3rd and into the 4th quarter we're not using PA or outside runs (whether that misdirection, counter toss etc.,) when we've done after body blows all day.

Those are the time you call in Brown or Lyle in and they get after that.

The PA game has to be better, and more often. These are easy home runs hitter or chunk plays.

Like to see just a naked bootleg from under center and a drag from the play side TE or backside TE after a nudge block and run into a flat with a flood concept. Beck needs to pull it a little bit more often as well.

There so much more meat to the bone on this offense and I'm just waiting, waiting, waiting and nothing.
 
NicKane said:
It’s definitely worth noting and I’m glad we have another buy week to really get that cleaned up. I know for a fact, that is bothering Mario and I believe he will get it cleaned up in this by week. At least I hope so.
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I made a comment to some people when it was 28-11 that I thought it was good

We were clearly the better team but Mario was LIVID. I said yes good he will be kicking their asses the next two weeks

Now I sure didn’t want it to be 28-22 and I have Mario criticisms but there’s noone more ****ed about the final score than him I’m sure of it
 
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The U is back to work said:
If Mirabal is dictating the run game that needs to stop. Dawson needs to be the play caller we don’t need Mirabal deciding what we do regarding running. These tight splits in theory would be great but our OL more often than not isn’t getting much with it and it’s Fletch’s size that’s getting those extra 1.5 yards every play.
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It’s why we don’t get negative running plays, and they designed routes to take advantage of the defense not being all over the field, which we finally saw last nite
 
Feels like a lot of overreaction in this thread. I see us doing exactly what NFL teams do once they have a big lead, they just try to run the clock on offense and make the opposing offense work for long drives. This isn’t always fun to watch, but by doing so, we limit mistakes and big plays.
And typically the only way to give up big leads is to give up big plays on defense or commit turnovers on offense.

Well we didn’t have any TO’s, and we made FSU use a lot of clock on their 4th quarter drives. And they ran out of time.

This is pretty much the NFL playbook and why most NFL betting in lines are 3-4 points, because coaches are just trying to win and could care less if they win by 20 or 1.

Could it get us into trouble at some point? Definitely. Does it work? Yep.
 
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To me, last night felt different from ND and Florida. The offense did try to throw the ball at points in the 4th quarter. It just didn't work. This could have been a dialed down play call, lack of execution or both. But other then the threat to the spread (which scared the **** out of me) the outcome of the game was decided half way through the 4th. The flea flicker, going for it on 4th and 2 for a TD... We did not go into a shell until really the best thing was to drain the clock (2017 Atlanta Falcons say Hello)

There were many, many times that the game could have been ICE ICEd that we didnt' but it was already after we had basically won the game. FSU had to take a FG to hope to get an onside kick to hope to get a hail Mary TD.

I realize that this inability to end the game may get us at some point, but yesterday I think the coaching staff did well. It might not have been **** at the end, but really they called plays in a way to make winning the game inevitable.
 
AtlAtty said:
Feels like a lot of overreaction in this thread. I see us doing exactly what NFL teams do once they have a big lead, they just try to run the clock on offense and make the opposing offense work for long drives. This isn’t always fun to watch, but by doing so, we limit mistakes and big plays.
And typically the only way to give up big leads is to give up big plays on defense or commit turnovers on offense.

Well we didn’t have any TO’s, and we made FSU use a lot of clock on their 4th quarter drives. And they ran out of time.

This is pretty much the NFL playbook and why most NFL better in lines are 3-4 points, because coaches are just trying to win and could care less if they win by 20 or 1.

Could it get us into trouble at some point? Definitely. Does it work? Yep.
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I honestly think part of this is when you get a little bit conservative (I agree 100% with doing it) you inevitably lose a little edge

Beck missed some passes he makes in his sleep

So you ride that edge of being smart and leaning on what’s good and losing that venom

We also faced some tough teams that don’t roll over

I expect us to be better in ACC play and things to level out a bit
 
AtlAtty said:
Feels like a lot of overreaction in this thread. I see us doing exactly what NFL teams do once they have a big lead, they just try to run the clock on offense and make the opposing offense work for long drives. This isn’t always fun to watch, but by doing so, we limit mistakes and big plays.
And typically the only way to give up big leads is to give up big plays on defense or commit turnovers on offense.

Well we didn’t have any TO’s, and we made FSU use a lot of clock on their 4th quarter drives. And they ran out of time.

This is pretty much the NFL playbook and why most NFL better in lines are 3-4 points, because coaches are just trying to win and could care less if they win by 20 or 1.

Could it get us into trouble at some point? Definitely. Does it work? Yep.
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That comparison doesn’t really hold when you have the automatic first down stoppages in college football, plus the difference in onside kick rules. So much easier to comeback in college today compared to the NFL with the different rules.
 
If lightfoot tackles Tommy on 4th and 5 or if the holding in the end zone is called on bain for a safety FSU 's second td drive in the 4th quarter never happens and Miami wins comfortably. If the whistle isn't blown against uf miami wins comfortably. If brown doesn't slip on 3rd and 1 I think Miami wins comfortably against ND. Our offense has boggled down at times but that happens against good teams. Still could have blown them all out if these three things happened differently
 
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JHallCanes said:
I honestly think part of this is when you get a little bit conservative (I agree 100% with doing it) you inevitably lose a little edge

Beck missed some passes he makes in his sleep

So you ride that edge of being smart and leaning on what’s good and losing that venom

We also faced some tough teams that don’t roll over

I expect us to be better in ACC play and things to level out a bit
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I agree with all of this, and your overall point that UM has been flirting with a problem in 3 of 5 games.
I think it’s’ hard for teams to play slow and maintain an edge.

I also wonder how much of our late game strategy is still a reaction to last season. Long memories can be useful, but also limiting.
 
I think if they game is 2 scores are less u can get conservative or whatever. But when you are up 28-3, there is no reason to go into a shell with a whole quarter left. You keep throwing it or mixing it up. I wanna see more play actions when we are leading. They expect you to run it, max protect and let it loose.

I know most of this is people thinking of future problems since we are 5-0. I am totally fine winning a game by 1 point but closing games out efficiently is also a skill teams develop. If FSU got it to like 28-13, fine but nothing more should have been.

I think we can also credit a scrambling midget for some of that because it was just broken play after broken play street ball. And that does wear out a defense. Which is why the offense needs to atleast get 1 more drive in, even a FG drive
 
supacane said:
I think if they game is 2 scores are less u can get conservative or whatever. But when you are up 28-3, there is no reason to go into a shell with a whole quarter left. You keep throwing it or mixing it up. I wanna see more play actions when we are leading. They expect you to run it, max protect and let it loose.

I know most of this is people thinking of future problems since we are 5-0. I am totally fine winning a game by 1 point but closing games out efficiently is also a skill teams develop. If FSU got it to like 28-13, fine but nothing more should have been.

I think we can also credit a scrambling midget for some of that because it was just broken play after broken play street ball. And that does wear out a defense. Which is why the offense needs to atleast get 1 more drive in, even a FG drive
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The massive, inexcusable fail was getting the ball at the FSUs 43 after a failed onside kick and doing nothing. We have a kicker who can drill 55 yarders in his sleep. We can’t pick up 8 yards to ice the game? Are you f#cking kidding me? Even if we are in a shell, our vaunted OL can’t get us 8 yards on 3 tries? Not even asking for a first down, just get a little closer. Whoever was in charge of that sequence needs to be launched into the sun. If we just score 3 on one of the multiple starts in their territories, then even the later onside kicks are meaningless because a Hail Mary doesn’t tie the game or give them the lead.
 
I know they're trying to shorten the game and limit chances for turnovers, but changing the style to running out the clock kills momentum and gives life to the other team. The way FSU was playing defense, they were loading the box to stop Miami from running the ball. They needed to just keep doing what they were doing, with short, safe passes replacing runs in the A-gap.
 
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