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Putting the “concern” on paper

This seems to be by design. Get up then try not to do anything to help the opposition get back in it. But end up giving them chances with the ball and get the defense tired. It has worked but I dont particularly like the tactic. I am fine running the ball with the lead. But please run some creative runs. And we can still throw the ball. Beck doesn't seem to force the ball if nothing is there, he checks down so some trust is warranted.


Oh yeah, and those fkn penalties have to stop or atleast drop significantly
 
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Would be curious to see what our offensive lulls are like relative to other playoff contending teams when they've played average+ opponents this year. I'll try to take a look at the data sometime during the bye week. It may be the case that we aren't extraordinarily inconsistent on offense. May not be. Perhaps our dud drives are clumped together more than other good teams. I dunno. I do think it's possible that we have blinders on because we are all sicko fans of this team. It doesn't seem like other good teams are beating the brakes off quality opponents the majority of their offensive drives. Could be wrong.

In the ND/UF/FSU games, offensive penalties have been a big factor in 5-6 of the drives when we coulda stepped on the other team's throats. I don't think we have the depth of weapons on offense this year to score TDs on drives that we get way behind the sticks, whether by penalties or sacks. I'd say I'm hopeful that we will clean up the penalties during the second bye week, but I'm trying my best not be insane.

A few I put in the too conservative/coaching bucket. A couple have just been bad luck like when Brown cut back on the 3rd & 1 against ND, and when the refs stole a TD from Brown against UF.

As far as problems to have as a football team, getting up multiple scores against quality opposition, and then letting them get back to 1 possession down/even is pretty first world. If we start allowing teams to take the lead in similar situations that's a much bigger issue. I know you didn't compare it, but I gotta say the comparison that some have made to last year's team when we were consistently playing from behind and winning is ludicrous.
 
JHallCanes said:
Great points

The penalties on offense, especially the ones on the OL have been massively frustrating

I agree with you where I understand what we are trying to do. Get the lead lean on our best and put the game away (the run game) but we are just getting sloppy at the wrong times
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As someone pointed out we need a variation on that grind it out mode. Running between the tackles into a stacked box, compounded with starting drives on 1 and 15 is a recipe to the pattern of what we are seeing.

Also when we try un****ing our mistakes it’s hard to get your skill players going when they haven’t had a rep in a quarter essentially when we need to move the chains passing in conservative mode.
 
GirthQuake said:
As someone pointed out we need a variation on that grind it out mode. Running between the tackles into a stacked box, compounded with starting drives on 1 and 15 is a recipe to the pattern of what we are seeing.

Also when we try un****ing our mistakes it’s hard to get your skill players going when they haven’t had a rep in a quarter essentially when we need to move the chains passing in conservative mode.
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On the positive side running the flea flicker after the turnover was badass

When I see things like that it lets me know a little bit about what the coaches are thinking
 
JHallCanes said:
A lot of comments without context so here’s the “concern” for me with numbers to show it

Notre Dame:

Miami goes up 21-7 and forces Notre Dame to punt

The next 4 drives we gain 15 yards on 13 plays

South Florida:

The game was a beat down in the final box however Miami goes up 28-6 and forces punt

Next 4 drives combined we gain 66 yards on 13 plays including 2 turnovers

Florida:

We go up 10-0 and our defense is dominating. Forces 4 punts in a row

In the next 6 drives we run 34 plays for 123 yards get a FG and turn it over once

FSU:

We go up 28-3 and force a punt

The rest of the game we run 17 plays for a total of 24 yards


So listen it’s college football. Winning is hard. It’s not PS5 on freshman level

Our defense is routinely putting us in position for kill shots and we are struggling to get it done. Individually it’s not necessarily a big deal and ultimately may not matter but this is the only small alarm bell im concerned with at the moment

Not a “concern” maybe just something worth noting
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Certainly an area for improvement. The good news is that we play some teams where we can show that improvement.

Through 6 weeks, I think we collectively have had the hardest schedule. If we continue to do this against Stanford and others down the stretch, it’s a concern for post season play
 
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JHallCanes said:
Great points

The penalties on offense, especially the ones on the OL have been massively frustrating

I agree with you where I understand what we are trying to do. Get the lead lean on our best and put the game away (the run game) but we are just getting sloppy at the wrong times
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I think @Brooklyndee hit the nail on the head in a pretty fired up post last night. When Miami gets a lead, Cristobal wants Dawson to dial it back to reduce the chance for negative plays. Dawson consistently seems to interpret that as dial it down to zero.

Dawson can be a top OC when he needs to and has a good bag of tricks , but he hasn’t figured out how to run an offense with a lead. All the 4th quarter, FSU was completely selling out to stop the run (everyone knows what our 4th quarter offense looks like). Would have been a good time to catch them with play action on 1st or 2nd down. Instead it was run ,run, obvious pass
situation, punt (fwiw think we actually could have caught them with another flea flicker)

But the other culprit is the players themselves. Defense gets a pass- they were exhausted. Yeah they could have tightened up a bit but the refs were letting FSU get away with everything and calling ridiculous penalties on UM. The offensive players are the ones who are kicking up their feet. I think a key difference personality wise between Beck and Ward is that Ward would not let the offense get complacent, especially because the defense was so bad and no lead was safe. The QB needs to set the tone when the offense has a lead.
 
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RF-4CCane said:
It’s also complementary football to sustain drives in the 4th qtr when your defense is gassed.

This is an observation, not mopery, but running Lyle up the gut into a stacked line is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. His strengths are different than Brown or Fletcher. He needs to be utilized for his strengths.
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THANK YOU!!!! I said this in multiple threads last night and I was NOT drunk. It was painfully obvious the offense went nowhere when he was the sole RB.

I have no problem with him on the field; just run appropriate plays for his abilities and strengths. He isn't a truck like Fletcher and Brown..
 
I think this offense is still a work in progress . I’ve felt this way since before the season, knowing that Beck completely missed Spring (and obviously wasn’t a part of the offense last year), and the offense’s receiving weapons largely weren’t here last year either. One example of this is Beck rushing through his progressions on some plays even when he has plenty of time (almost certainly a leftover symptom from UGA last year)

and given the front loading of the schedule there was always going to be a high likelihood of a “stop and go” sort of effect where the offense would have trouble sustaining a high success rate through the whole course of a game.

Ideally with this additional bye, and the strength of the opponent’s defenses lessening, Beck and the offense continue to gel and hit the next gear. It may not completely erase all schematic issues or discipline/penalty problems, but That can go a long way towards avoiding these stalls, and set us up better for the post-season.

I Compare it to learning a manual transmission vs an automatic.
 
I'm just sick and tired of all this fourth quarter drama - because we shut down our offense when we just get it going good.

It's unnecessary.

We run right up the middle when the middle is stacked with defenders three deep?

Nothing to the outside? Short passes? TE blocks, then drifts out?

I know Mario can put a team together - but the game day - it's like a mental constipation takes over.

How hard is it to continue what's working - just to try to force a quarter in a dime slot?

Mario is going to ***** this run we have going on - up.

Our OC was doing pretty well - it was exciting, and they were rolling. Suddenly - full stop.

I don't give a tinker's dam if it's Marabel or Mario. Someone needs to GTF out of the play calling business - because they're constipated.

I saw Mario when things started looking bad - yelling. Really? You're the coach! You want to sit on a lead?

Try leading.
 
Mario’s a weird cat for sure.

Just seems like every fiber if his offensive lineman being wants to smash teams at the end of the game on the ground when they know it’s coming, but we can’t and keep trying like it will.

It’s beating a dead horse at this point but with these splits, barely running any read option, sweeps or even pin and pull etc it’s just too predictable. A diverse run game gives you a chance in those situations, but trying to bring more blockers into the box seemingly just to bring more defenders into the fight just won’t work against good teams. I’m sorry.

There are soooo many high percentage, safe throws you can make late in the game that punishes the defense for selling out. Package play screens, hb screens, bubbles, RPOs…You know, like what we do for the first three quarters. Time to learn from mistakes and stop changing the philosophy late.
 
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Handsome Squidbum said:
I think @Brooklyndee hit the nail on the head in a pretty fired up post last night. When Miami gets a lead, Cristobal wants Dawson to dial it back to reduce the chance for negative plays. Dawson consistently seems to interpret that as dial it down to zero.

Dawson can be a top OC when he needs to and has a good bag of tricks , but he hasn’t figured out how to run an offense with a lead. All the 4th quarter, FSU was completely selling out to stop the run (everyone knows what our 4th quarter offense looks like). Would have been a good time to catch them with play action on 1st or 2nd down. Instead it was run ,run, obvious pass
situation, punt (fwiw think we actually could have caught them with another flea flicker)

But the other culprit is the players themselves. Defense gets a pass- they were exhausted. Yeah they could have tightened up a bit but the refs were letting FSU get away with everything and calling ridiculous penalties on UM. The offensive players are the ones who are kicking up their feet. I think a key difference personality wise between Beck and Ward is that Ward would not let the offense get complacent, especially because the defense was so bad and no lead was safe. The QB needs to set the tone when the offense has a lead.
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Good stuff

I don’t dislike the approach necessarily. Our strength is our run game and nothing would be better than putting the nail in the coffin by hitting a 12 play 7 minute TD drive right?

But we’ve compounded going less risky with also getting sloppier.

If it’s one thing in college football it’s when teams are playing looser they generally play better offense. So getting tight and trying not to **** up can go wrong as well

The pre snap penalties. The OL lapses. Most of the pass plays are only allowing one option etc

We’ve also faced some tough teams that don’t just roll over as well so I’ll factor that in a bit
 
RF-4CCane said:
It’s also complementary football to sustain drives in the 4th qtr when your defense is gassed.

This is an observation, not mopery, but running Lyle up the gut into a stacked line is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. His strengths are different than Brown or Fletcher. He needs to be utilized for his strengths.
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What a difference a year makes right?

Defense is outplaying the offense so far this year. I think that’s where a lot of frustration came from last night

Watching the defense that played like ******* beasts all game suddenly losing momentum because the offense couldn’t get it done was frustrating
 
CaneMutiny06 said:
I think this offense is still a work in progress . I’ve felt this way since before the season, knowing that Beck completely missed Spring (and obviously wasn’t a part of the offense last year), and the offense’s receiving weapons largely weren’t here last year either.
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I think this is also very valid

It’s been a tough way to start schedule wise when you add this to the mix
 
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