forums

Protect College Sports Act [formerly “SCORE Act” thread]

I know the ideal scenario was always we joined the B1G but i'm wondering if someone can fill in the blanks for me as I am not really in the know.

I understand SEC/B1G have better TV deals and get more $$$ cause of that.

But lets say we stayed in the ACC- outside of $$$/endorsements what are the other potential downsides?

As it currently stands, we don't seem to have an issue with getting players to come here under Mario. And our administration seems to be willing to do whatever it takes to spend to get the players we need to make us successful.

If they expand the playoffs, it only means more teams get in (including the ACC).

So i guess my question is, would it really be THAT bad if we stayed in the ACC?

It's an easier road to the playoffs without a doubt, and as far as we can see Mario will be here for the long haul.

In our earlier dominance period we were never in a power conference, Aka Big East.

I'd also have to imagine, at some point, teams like Va Tech, Clemson, FSU, Louisville, GT etc. should all be able to be top 25 teams. Right now the ACC is down no doubt tho.

I'm just playing devils advocate. Someone who can fill me in with what i am missing, i will willingly say I dont know much about the $$$ aspects of the bigger conferences, so I am assuming maybe i am asnwereing my own question, but then again, if we continue to recruit at a high level, why not just dominate the ACC every year and get that auto bid into the playoffs?
 
canes_226 said:
I know the ideal scenario was always we joined the B1G but i'm wondering if someone can fill in the blanks for me as I am not really in the know.

I understand SEC/B1G have better TV deals and get more $$$ cause of that.

But lets say we stayed in the ACC- outside of $$$/endorsements what are the other potential downsides?

As it currently stands, we don't seem to have an issue with getting players to come here under Mario. And our administration seems to be willing to do whatever it takes to spend to get the players we need to make us successful.

If they expand the playoffs, it only means more teams get in (including the ACC).

So i guess my question is, would it really be THAT bad if we stayed in the ACC?

It's an easier road to the playoffs without a doubt, and as far as we can see Mario will be here for the long haul.

In our earlier dominance period we were never in a power conference, Aka Big East.

I'd also have to imagine, at some point, teams like Va Tech, Clemson, FSU, Louisville, GT etc. should all be able to be top 25 teams. Right now the ACC is down no doubt tho.

I'm just playing devils advocate. Someone who can fill me in with what i am missing, i will willingly say I dont know much about the $$$ aspects of the bigger conferences, so I am assuming maybe i am asnwereing my own question, but then again, if we continue to recruit at a high level, why not just dominate the ACC every year and get that auto bid into the playoffs?
Click to expand...
You’re right for the time being. The issue we’re all worried about is the future.

Right now, as you point out, we are competitive with NIL and have a relatively easy path. But the concern is what happens over time. The SEC and Big Ten are expected to keep increasing their financial lead over us, and the worry is that it could reach a point where, even if we are fully committed resource-wise, it still isn't enough to compete with the bigg dogs in those conferences.

That gap is only expected to grow when the next media rights deals are negotiated. And as new revenue streams come into the sport, the SEC and Big Ten are likely to capture a bigger share of those too. Take jersey patches, for example. It’s hard to imagine a company paying Miami the same $15 million it paid Ohio State. We play SMU, Virginia, and similar ACC schools every year. Ohio State plays Indiana, Michigan, USC, Oregon, and Penn State.

Maybe you're right and we'll always be just as competitive as we are now. But it's definitely not guaranteed.
 
CanesNation26 said:
I made a simple point: if Miami is locked into the ACC, then having a cap is better than having no cap.

I think you actually agree with that point, but you're trying hard to disagree by arguing against positions I never took.

I never said the cap was likely to be enforced. That issue isn't critical to my point unless you think the likelihood of enforcement is literally 0, though I do think enforcement is more likely than you suggest. And I certainly never said the bill was good for Miami. Quite the opposite. I said the bill is bad for Miami.
Click to expand...
OK, you're right. The cap will work.









And I had Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny over for poker last nIght. That long eared ******* took all my money. :cool:

Look, the only point I am arguing is the cap meaning anything. There was the ultimate hard cap until NIL came to be and we all saw how well regulated it was. I expect more of the same.

It is my opinion. It's different than yours, but you need some kind of concession by me to move on. OK, you are right. Feel better? Lol
 
canes_226 said:
I know the ideal scenario was always we joined the B1G but i'm wondering if someone can fill in the blanks for me as I am not really in the know.

I understand SEC/B1G have better TV deals and get more $$$ cause of that.

But lets say we stayed in the ACC- outside of $$$/endorsements what are the other potential downsides?

As it currently stands, we don't seem to have an issue with getting players to come here under Mario. And our administration seems to be willing to do whatever it takes to spend to get the players we need to make us successful.

If they expand the playoffs, it only means more teams get in (including the ACC).

So i guess my question is, would it really be THAT bad if we stayed in the ACC?

It's an easier road to the playoffs without a doubt, and as far as we can see Mario will be here for the long haul.

In our earlier dominance period we were never in a power conference, Aka Big East.

I'd also have to imagine, at some point, teams like Va Tech, Clemson, FSU, Louisville, GT etc. should all be able to be top 25 teams. Right now the ACC is down no doubt tho.

I'm just playing devils advocate. Someone who can fill me in with what i am missing, i will willingly say I dont know much about the $$$ aspects of the bigger conferences, so I am assuming maybe i am asnwereing my own question, but then again, if we continue to recruit at a high level, why not just dominate the ACC every year and get that auto bid into the playoffs?
Click to expand...
2 Things

1. Harder to get top talent if they think they are playing in a lower league. The ACC is already viewed as a step down related to the P2. It will get only worse with time.

2. Less margin for error in the ACC. Win the conference or the odds of making the playoff are a bit longer. Wins mean less and losses mean more in the ACC than the P2.
 
n0rcalcane said:
Yeah this thing is dead either way
Click to expand...
I Guess The Breakfast Club GIF by For(bes) The Culture
 
Memphis offered $200M to the B12 and were turned down. If this bill goes through as is, then what is the value of a P2 spot? Now Memphis is desperate, and brings little TV market, and has a corporate sponsor, but still. I think they are going to mead these P2 spots out over time and bleed rich schools that don't have good TV numbers. I mean honestly that is already being done to SMU, Stanford & Cal. At least 2 of those will probably get bent over again.
 
Nebraska AD recently stated 10 conference game schedule is possible. This coming out right now was not an accident. He is telling ND/SEC/ESPN that the B1G is prepared to go to 19 teams....
 
waggy said:
Memphis offered $200M to the B12 and were turned down. If this bill goes through as is, then what is the value of a P2 spot? Now Memphis is desperate, and brings little TV market, and has a corporate sponsor, but still. I think they are going to mead these P2 spots out over time and bleed rich schools that don't have good TV numbers. I mean honestly that is already being done to SMU, Stanford & Cal. At least 2 of those will probably get bent over again.
Click to expand...
That’s not enough even for the BIG12 who makes less than the ACC.

Stanford and Berkeley are going 7 years with their media rights distribution being capped at 30% despite the increase of 100M gained from ESPN to the ACC. In year 8 that number goes to 70%, year 9 75%, then on year ten they’re a full member.

SMU gave up 9 years of media rights distribution money to join the conference and worked overtime to convince nc state to be the last vote to flip to the yes category

We haven’t seen conferences kickout their peers recently and tbh I doubt it happens moving forward.

For the 24-25 fiscal year, the average fully vested B1G member received 79.9 million compared to its equivalent in the SEC of 72.2 million.

The Big12’s average distribution actually declined in their first year post expansion w/ Colorado, Arizona, Utah, and Arizona State all in the fold. These numbers are why they turned down Memphis, that 200m split among 16 is only 12.5 million so it’s rather useless considering what little benefits Memphis provides
The ACC paid an average of nearly $47.1 million to 14 football-playing members receiving full-distribution shares, up from about $45 million the previous year. The Big 12 paid an average of around $39.5 million, marking a slight decline
Click to expand...

The difference between the ACC and Big12 money wise is nearly identical to that of the B1G and SEC i.e. 7.6 M’s & 7.7M’s

This is why you see the XII combining its logo with monster just to get an added average mill of cash infused annually to each college
 
I think there is a good chance the B1G adds a 19th school from Florida if the Act goes through. They were already on unofficial record (Maryland AD) of adding 2 for 2030 prior to the Act. The 5 year independence requirement is very difficult. If the requirement gets revised to 2 years, I think it's game on. If Miami did join the B1G as 19, you would be on an island for the foreseeable future.
 
Back
Top