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Pretty good article about Charlie Strong

Oklahoma State, Washington State, and Iowa State are dwarfs compared to the Texas job.

I don't think it's fair to compare Jimmy and Dennis at those schools to Strong at UT.
 
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At TCU, Gary Patterson dominated the mountain west similar to how strong dominated the big east.

Patterson then went 7-6 and 4-8 in his first two years in the big 12. If you don't have a QB in that conference you can't win.

in 2013 if we were considering hiring Patterson, we would probably be concerned about a lot of the same things people (including myself) are concerned about now with strong. (No QB, can't win against a real conference, etc.)

Patterson then found his QB his offense started humming and he is back in business...

I'm not saying that strong can make a massive jump like Patterson did in year three

There are some things that are indefensible for strong right now. He fired his OC after one game. His defense got significantly worse in year 2 (after getting soginificantly better than his predecessors) and his recruiting class is a joke

As someone who thinks he can win at Miami, you can only really hope that the last two years are an anomaly, and part of his building of that program against their competition similar to Patterson and his adjustments to the b12

Hopefully strong hasn't lost his ability to recruit and develop south Florida players and with the right QB, he can win playoff / New Years 6 bowl games
 
Rd745 said:
At TCU, Gary Patterson dominated the mountain west similar to how strong dominated the big east.

Patterson then went 7-6 and 4-8 in his first two years in the big 12. If you don't have a QB in that conference you can't win.

in 2013 if we were considering hiring Patterson, we would probably be concerned about a lot of the same things people (including myself) are concerned about now with strong. (No QB, can't win against a real conference, etc.)

Patterson then found his QB his offense started humming and he is back in business...

I'm not saying that strong can make a massive jump like Patterson did in year three

There are some things that are indefensible for strong right now. He fired his OC after one game. His defense got significantly worse in year 2 (after getting soginificantly better than his predecessors) and his recruiting class is a joke

As someone who thinks he can win at Miami, you can only really hope that the last two years are an anomaly, and part of his building of that program against their competition similar to Patterson and his adjustments to the b12

Hopefully strong hasn't lost his ability to recruit and develop south Florida players and with the right QB, he can win playoff / New Years 6 bowl games
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Patterson was bringing a mid-major program and roster into a Power 5 conference. Strong walked into one of the most powerful jobs in the country.

I don't think the transition is comparable.
 
Rd745 said:
At TCU, Gary Patterson dominated the mountain west similar to how strong dominated the big east.

Patterson then went 7-6 and 4-8 in his first two years in the big 12. If you don't have a QB in that conference you can't win.

in 2013 if we were considering hiring Patterson, we would probably be concerned about a lot of the same things people (including myself) are concerned about now with strong. (No QB, can't win against a real conference, etc.)

Patterson then found his QB his offense started humming and he is back in business...

I'm not saying that strong can make a massive jump like Patterson did in year three

There are some things that are indefensible for strong right now. He fired his OC after one game. His defense got significantly worse in year 2 (after getting soginificantly better than his predecessors) and his recruiting class is a joke

As someone who thinks he can win at Miami, you can only really hope that the last two years are an anomaly, and part of his building of that program against their competition similar to Patterson and his adjustments to the b12

Hopefully strong hasn't lost his ability to recruit and develop south Florida players and with the right QB, he can win playoff / New Years 6 bowl games
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That's the fact I think Strong and Texas use to justify him staying.

But another 6-6 season, and he's gone, IMO.

And that timing may coincide with when Chip Kelly decides to leave the NFL ...
 
ilovelamp51 said:
Consigliere said:
If we're not going after an elite name, what else should we do? Hire a failure?
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Define failure. Would Butch be considered a failure? Mark Richt? I'm not anti-Herman.. I just think it's extremely risky in a time where we have no room for failure. I do like that he's offensive minded/not conservative.. but what a cluster he would be inheriting.
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Coaches with losing records at P5 schools would easily be on that list.

You also forget that there are names that are better than Herman but if we strike out on those (i.e. Kelly or Patterson) you go to the next level.
 
My biggest concern about Strong is what Offensive assistants he'd hire... his track record isn't the greatest.. i.e Shawn Watson...

Defensively is an upgrade... Offensively... I'm not so sure we wouldn't be worse (if that's possible)

JC
 
DiegoCane said:
Consigliere said:
DiegoCane said:
For all the Strong guys:

Name me 1 coach who flamed out at a power 5 conference job and then won a NC at another?
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There is 1 but he flamed out again (Cheesedick).
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Didn't know if I should count him because 1. he wasn't fired and Auburn hired him away 2. it was Iowa St.

Gene Stallings was also fired from a job prior to winning at Bama.

Those are the only 2 cases going back over 30 years.
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He was doing poorly (5-19) and was on the hot seat.
 
Someone bring up the last person to flame out at a P5 school only to turn around the next year and be a success at another P5 school?
 
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drifters1234 said:
And the Saban comparison is ridiculous. When Saban took over in 1995 MSU had not had a winning season since 1990; plus, they received NCAA sanctions from Perles's tenure.

Regardless, when Saban was hired MSU had been a long-running mediocre program. That mediocrity continued for Saban's first few years until 1999 when he beat Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and UF in the Citrus Bowl. They ended up 10-2. LSU hired him, and he built that program until they won a national title.

Are you suggesting that every coach that has a mediocre -- or in Strong's case horrendous -- first two years is a Nick Saban-level coach?
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Insanely dumb comments that were made up by a ******* Slurper. The Saban comparison was 100% crap.
 
Get tom Herman and stop being stupid. Why pass on Herman and hire strong when Texas themselves want Herman. Makes no sense. Unless Herman turns us down
 
GoldenShowers said:
gfer1988 said:
GoldenShowers said:
Has there ever been a coach, in history, whose entire tenure record was under .500 at a power 5 school, to then go to another Power-5 school and won a National Title?

What we desperately need is a great coaching staff. Not a DC who can, with the help of a banned coach, maybe recruit. Miami deserves a coach better than a guy who has fallen flat on his *** at his first big time gig. I can't understand why you have such an intense need to defend this guy. It's mind boggling.
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Jimmy Johnson was just over .500 at Oklahoma State before coming here.
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He was over .500 and wasn't fired for failure. Charlie will be well under .500 and **** canned. And we want this here?
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no i'm not a fan of strong as a hire. you're missing the point. i'm saying that sometimes guys are just bad fits. Strong can't recruit the areas where he recruits best while at texas. well not as easily anyway. what he did at lousiville was impressive regardless of if you want to credit it all to Teddy (which i think is ridiculous). if everyone had this overactive disposition, then we would never have the jimmy johnson's and nick saban's of the world who appeared pretty mediocre at first glance.
 
ScubaCane said:
Why do we want guys who are failing miserably at their current job?
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THIS!

Might as well sent out a press release:

WANTED - Failing football corches.
The University of Miami wants YOU.
Had a bad season(s)? No problem!
Failed at FIU? No problem!
I'll tempered? No problem!
Not fitting in? No problem!
Can't develop players? No problem!
Lacking loyalty? No problem!
No track record? No problem!
INCOMPETENT? You've found a home!

 
Consigliere said:
CANEGANG954 said:
Saban was horrible at his first power 5 job Michigan State. He was better at LSU and he's killing it at Bama!
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Do you just make chit up?

Google George Perles and the scandal that preceded him.
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By the common logic on this board a good coach can win anywhere so I don't care what happened before he got there. Saban sucked balls until year 5 when he went 9-2 and quickly left for LSU. Would you hire coach Saban post MSU?
 
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WhatTheHell said:
Rd745 said:
At TCU, Gary Patterson dominated the mountain west similar to how strong dominated the big east.

Patterson then went 7-6 and 4-8 in his first two years in the big 12. If you don't have a QB in that conference you can't win.

in 2013 if we were considering hiring Patterson, we would probably be concerned about a lot of the same things people (including myself) are concerned about now with strong. (No QB, can't win against a real conference, etc.)

Patterson then found his QB his offense started humming and he is back in business...

I'm not saying that strong can make a massive jump like Patterson did in year three

There are some things that are indefensible for strong right now. He fired his OC after one game. His defense got significantly worse in year 2 (after getting soginificantly better than his predecessors) and his recruiting class is a joke

As someone who thinks he can win at Miami, you can only really hope that the last two years are an anomaly, and part of his building of that program against their competition similar to Patterson and his adjustments to the b12

Hopefully strong hasn't lost his ability to recruit and develop south Florida players and with the right QB, he can win playoff / New Years 6 bowl games
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Patterson was bringing a mid-major program and roster into a Power 5 conference. Strong walked into one of the most powerful jobs in the country.

I don't think the transition is comparable.
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Valid point. Maybe I should have focused more on the fact that without a good QB, Patterson struggled mightily against better competition. Then he found a heisman caliber QB and started winning again. I can't say how much patterson has upgraded the entire TCU roster since 2013.

Can we for certain say that strong can't continue to develop his current players and get siginificantly better in 2016 / 17 at Texas?

I don't know
 
Rd745 said:
At TCU, Gary Patterson dominated the mountain west similar to how strong dominated the big east.

Patterson then went 7-6 and 4-8 in his first two years in the big 12. If you don't have a QB in that conference you can't win.

in 2013 if we were considering hiring Patterson, we would probably be concerned about a lot of the same things people (including myself) are concerned about now with strong. (No QB, can't win against a real conference, etc.)

Patterson then found his QB his offense started humming and he is back in business...

I'm not saying that strong can make a massive jump like Patterson did in year three

There are some things that are indefensible for strong right now. He fired his OC after one game. His defense got significantly worse in year 2 (after getting soginificantly better than his predecessors) and his recruiting class is a joke

As someone who thinks he can win at Miami, you can only really hope that the last two years are an anomaly, and part of his building of that program against their competition similar to Patterson and his adjustments to the b12

Hopefully strong hasn't lost his ability to recruit and develop south Florida players and with the right QB, he can win playoff / New Years 6 bowl games
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Sorry but those 2 situations aren't even close to being similar.

And Strong would never put his defense at risk like Patterson does.

All the "Strong guys" are searching for reasons why Strong is failing miserably.

And why are we talking about another "recruiter"? The last 2 guys who we hired were conservative, defensive coaches who were billed as recruiters. Now we want to hire another, I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.
 
ilovelamp51 said:
Consigliere said:
The only reason Teddy left Miami is because Shannon got fired.
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The only reason Brady ever started is because Bledsoe got injured.
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You can't say that. You can say he got time because Bledsoe was injured. There is no way his career was decided in his 2nd year at NE (i.e. career backup). Players can ride the bench for a long time (Aaron Rodgers and Kurt Warner) before given a chance.
 
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