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TimeBum said:
No, I don't think anyone will pay a 27 million buyout. I think there is a good chance Cristobal will end up in the ACC by the end of the decade but not necessarily with Miami. Let's project this scenario: Saban retires in 2025. Is that unrealistic? Not at all. When Saban hangs up his spurs, Bama is going to go all in for Dabo and it is pretty much a guarantee that Dabo will jump at the chance. That will open up the Clemson job. IMO, Clemson is a better job than Oregon. He'd pretty much have no competition in the ACC and can drop a game or two in the regular season and still make the playoffs. Oregon has to run the table to get in (in the 4 team format).
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Not sure what Mario’s buyout is. One article says $6.5M after year 2 (this year) but another article says 80% of the remaining value. I assume the first number is if fired, and maybe the second if he leaves for another job.

I know Dabo played at Bama for Stallings but why does this guarantee he’d leave Clemson? He played at Alabama. Nice. He’s built a dynasty program at Clemson, won 2 NCs, and should play for more. If he retired at the end of the season a statue is built the next day. Why follow an icon when you are an icon? And you already make nearly $10M/yr. I think his contract buyout increases if he leaves for Alabama.

I think if the CFP expands, and will sooner than later, Mario is set a number of playoff appearances.

The only caveat is USC making s major move at HC. Hiring the right coach, a recruiting monster, dries up some of Oregon‘s and the rest of the PAC12’s talent base.
 
Poopscoop said:
Had nothing to do with any of that. He became friends with alfraud when he was hired. Not long after crap got toxic with Pete at fiu and he was let go. When that happened he didn't have alot of offers for coaching spots and was actually gonna leave for a government job his brother set him up with. He came to um more as a favor to Mario so he'd have a paycheck while he was shopping for offers. That's when Alabama got an opening and offered him at a substantial raise from what we had him at. It was a mixture of that and him talking with Mike who was about to quit over no d and they both saw the direction of the staff.
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Has anybody ever said what happened with Pete and Mario at FIU? I heard there was some stuff there but I never heard what exactly...
 
Interesting how some posters crap all over Mario while gushing over Kiffin. Not saying the same posters are doing both, but still interesting.
 
TemplarCane said:
Not sure what Mario’s buyout is. One article says $6.5M after year 2 (this year) but another article says 80% of the remaining value. I assume the first number is if fired, and maybe the second if he leaves for another job.

I know Dabo played at Bama for Stallings but why does this guarantee he’d leave Clemson? He played at Alabama. Nice. He’s built a dynasty program at Clemson, won 2 NCs, and should play for more. If he retired at the end of the season a statue is built the next day. Why follow an icon when you are an icon? And you already make nearly $10M/yr. I think his contract buyout increases if he leaves for Alabama.

I think if the CFP expands, and will sooner than later, Mario is set a number of playoff appearances.

The only caveat is USC making s major move at HC. Hiring the right coach, a recruiting monster, dries up some of Oregon‘s and the rest of the PAC12’s talent base.
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The 80% is what Oregon owes him if they fire him. The 6.5m is what he or his new school must pay Oregon if he leaves. Agree 100% on dabo, I’ve always thought the same thing.
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
The 80% is what Oregon owes him if they fire him. The 6.5m is what he or his new school must pay Oregon if he leaves. Agree 100% on dabo, I’ve always thought the same thing.
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Thanks.

In that case, pay Oregon the money. Mario has flaws but he’s an improvement.

Miami paid $4M to rehire a DC who had never head coached a game.
 
Pretty sure the athletic department set up chairs, mixed some drinks, and grabbed their binoculars to watch that ship sail....

They had a chance to hire Cristobol, can't imagine he would come now.
 
Poopscoop said:
Had nothing to do with any of that. He became friends with alfraud when he was hired. Not long after crap got toxic with Pete at fiu and he was let go. When that happened he didn't have alot of offers for coaching spots and was actually gonna leave for a government job his brother set him up with. He came to um more as a favor to Mario so he'd have a paycheck while he was shopping for offers. That's when Alabama got an opening and offered him at a substantial raise from what we had him at. It was a mixture of that and him talking with Mike who was about to quit over no d and they both saw the direction of the staff.
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He was hired by Folden a month after being fired by Fiwho and was hired by Saban 6 weeks later. He was offered a government job BEFORE taking over Fipuke!
 
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Poopscoop said:
Had nothing to do with any of that. He became friends with alfraud when he was hired. Not long after crap got toxic with Pete at fiu and he was let go. When that happened he didn't have alot of offers for coaching spots and was actually gonna leave for a government job his brother set him up with. He came to um more as a favor to Mario so he'd have a paycheck while he was shopping for offers. That's when Alabama got an opening and offered him at a substantial raise from what we had him at. It was a mixture of that and him talking with Mike who was about to quit over no d and they both saw the direction of the staff.
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IIRC, and maybe not, Mario also had an assistant-type (not position coach) offer from the Bucs. Schiano was HC. Mario chose Miami, then Alabama. After being fired or quitting, he was fortunate Taggart was HC at Oregon and split.
 
What's funny is that some fans here think that we just have to buyout Mario. Thinking that Oregon is just going to say see ya.

They have endless amounts of money thanks to Phil Knight. Have you seen the new Hayward Field, their track and field facility? It's not only the best in college, but it's literally the best in the entire world. 270 million dollar build.

We aren't buying out anything from under them if he keeps doing things like he did today. They could pay him literally any salary they wanted to keep him.
 
Dwinstitles said:
This is a tough job. Toughest one in the country
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I always read this, and this why?

You get hired as Miami HC and as long as you don’t completely tank you’re good for at least four years making $3-3.5M a season. No state income tax. You can recruit poorly and still have a lot of quality players from a fertile talent base. AD is willing to dumb down the OOC schedule to almost guarantee an 8-win season in a weak conference.

Why is the Miami job so tough? Boosters and media all over you? Since when?
 
SayWhat said:
What's funny is that some fans here think that we just have to buyout Mario. Thinking that Oregon is just going to say see ya.

They have endless amounts of money thanks to Phil Knight. Have you seen the new Hayward Field, their track and field facility? It's not only the best in college, but it's literally the best in the entire world. 270 million dollar build.

We aren't buying out anything from under them if he keeps doing things like he did today. They could pay him literally any salary they wanted to keep him.
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True. I’d wager Mario suddenly becoming the highest paid HC in the PAC12 if Miami came calling.
 
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With all this being said about Cristobal's contract and whether he would be willing to go back to Miami, I have to add that while he would be certainly be an upgrade from Diaz, I still don't think he would be a championship winning coach for Miami. Why do I say that? Well, I have to plagiarize a bit from an article I read the other day about coaching styles (I don't remember the site or the author). Basically, you can distill coaches down to two main types: "culture" and "scheme." Culture coaches are all about "building a winning culture" and only recruiting players that drink their kool-aid. Scheme coaches put ability first, they don't really care about a players character. Player is a multiple time felon? Don't care. All that matters is winning football games. The latter can do more with less, but the big downside is they have a tendency to leave a program in shambles when they leave. For example: Saban is a culture coach. Urban Meyer is a scheme coach. Ed O is a culture coach. Mullen is a scheme coach. Jimbo is a scheme coach. Diaz is a culture coach... and so is Mario. So which does Miami need? I think the program's history shows Miami tends to excel with a scheme coach. We've had more success with scheme coaches than culture coaches. Schnelly was a culture coach. He won a championship and put Miami on the map. Then came Jimmy (scheme) and Erickson (scheme). Jimmy won 1, then got robbed of a second (Cleveland Gary phantom fumble). Erickson won 2. Butch was a culture coach. He built an outstanding program but then Coker (scheme) took over when Butch left. Coker (sucked as both but definitely more scheme than culture) won 1 and was robbed of a second. Shannon was a culture coach. Golden was a culture coach. Richt was a culture coach. Diaz is a culture coach. So for those keeping score at home, that's 2 championships with culture coaches and 3 with scheme (really, 5 with scheme coaches due to the two robberies).

Mario is a better Diaz and I'm sure he would turn Miami into an ACC coastal lock, but I don't think we'd see #6. BTW Greg Schiano is a culture coach as well. Diaz, Cristobal, and Schiano are all cast in the same mold and I think you'd get mostly similar results with maybe 1-2 game variation. I believe Miami has to try going back to a scheme coach if we are going to turn the program in a title winner again. There are a few coaches out there who are considered schematic gurus but they tend to have bad reps (Kiffin, Leach). Joe Brady seems like a scheme guy without the baggage. If not Brady, I'd rather roll the dice with a Kiffin or Leach over another Shannon/Golden/Richt/Diaz culture clone (or Cristobal or Schiano). I'd prefer seeing the program go down in a spectacular fireball than spend another 4-5 years with a HC that preaches that he has to overhaul the program's culture (yet again ) and claims that fans have to patient and wait for him to bring in several classes of recruits that have a winner's mentality before we actually start winning again. You know what really builds a winning culture? Winning lots of football games.
 
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TimeBum said:
With all this being said about Cristobal's contract and whether he would be willing to go back to Miami, I have to add that while he would be certainly be an upgrade from Diaz, I still don't think he would be a championship winning coach for Miami. Why do I say that? Well, I have to plagiarize a bit from an article I read the other day about coaching styles (I don't remember the site or the author). Basically, you can distill coaches down to two main types: "culture" and "scheme." Culture coaches are all about "building a winning culture" and only recruiting players that drink their kool-aid. Scheme coaches put ability first, they don't really care about a players character. Player is a multiple time felon? Don't care. All that matters is winning football games. The latter can do more with less, but the big downside is they have a tendency to leave a program in shambles when they leave. For example: Saban is a culture coach. Urban Meyer is a scheme coach. Ed O is a culture coach. Mullen is a scheme coach. Jimbo is a scheme coach. Diaz is a culture coach. So is Mario. So which does Miami need? I think the program's history shows Miami tends to excel with a scheme coach. We've had more success with scheme coaches than culture coaches. Schnelly was a culture coach. He won a championship and put Miami on the map. Then came Jimmy (scheme) and Erickson (scheme). Jimmy won 1, then got robbed of a second (Cleveland Gary phantom fumble). Erickson won 2. Butch was a culture coach. He built an outstanding program but then Coker (scheme) took over when Butch left. Coker (sucked as both but definitely more scheme than culture) won 1 and was robbed of a second. Shannon was a culture coach. Golden was a culture coach. Richt was a culture coach. Diaz is a culture coach. So for those keeping score at home, that's 2 championships with culture coaches and 3 with scheme (really, 5 with scheme coaches due to the two robberies).

Mario is a better Diaz and I'm sure he would turn Miami into an ACC coastal lock, but I don't think we'd see #6. BTW Greg Schiano is a culture coach as well. Diaz, Cristobal, and Schiano are all cast in the same mold and I think you'd get mostly similar results with maybe 1-2 game variation. I believe Miami has to try going back to a scheme coach if we are going to turn the program in a title winner again. There are a few coaches out there who are considered schematic gurus but they tend to have bad reps (Kiffin, Leach). Joe Brady seems like a scheme guy without the baggage. If not Brady, I'd rather roll the dice with a Kiffin or Leach over another Shannon/Golden/Richt/Diaz culture clone (or Cristobal or Schiano). I'd prefer seeing the program go down in a spectacular fireball than spend another 4-5 years with a HC that preaches that he has to overhaul the program's culture (yet again ) and claims that fans have to patient and wait for him to bring in several classes of recruits that have a winner's mentality before we actually start winning again. You know what really builds a winning culture? Winning lots of football games.
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Great post.

Saban is a culture coach, yes, but he also modernized his run-first pro style offense. He knew to win in this era he needed to score more. He’d rather win 45-41 than lose ‘his way‘.

Mario isn‘t a scheme guy, fine. He’s a former OL and OL coach who wants smart, physical football first. Fast, he played with at Miami. He understands what that means. Seen it first hand, lined up next to it.

He by no means Saban, but he can be an excellent CEO-type installing a winning culture by recruiting and hiring smart assistants and coordinators coaching today’s game. Will he be? Maybe, maybe not. Some posters are crapping all over him for losing games he shouldn’t have lost, but look at the early careers of any long-tenured winning coach and you will see the same. Players aren’t the only team members who have to ‘learn how to win’.

The culture I question right now is the need to nit-pick and **** on every mistake, as if consistent perfection is possible.
 
Dwinstitles said:
I think most people here were happy with the Diaz hire (not me obviously)
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I wasn’t D, I knew it was another miami hire! When Ariz said it was between the bustello boys I was praying it was Mario abd then when I woke up to find it was manure, it was like waking up to morning depression. The guys a bum and so is the guy that hired him! One of the happiest days of my life will be when both those two scrubs are shown door and Ran out of town. That’ll be a a day of celebrations!
 
Pentagon Cane said:
Yep, open this up and that is my guess. People can ***** all over the guy but he has a pedigree. National title as a player, GA under Butch, position coach for Schiano, head coach at FIU where they won the conference, assistant for Saban, legit conference title and Rose Bowl champs.
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I’ve been wary of Cristobal in the past but at some point you’re absolutely correct
 
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