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DTP said:
This is the real reason linebacker play was so bad last year. Wilder, Jennings and Steed have been a combination of injured and ineffective. Huff and Brooks were high school defensive ends who's game hasn't translated to off the ball linebacker. Signing nobody in 2018 really hurt the overall depth. This is one that I put squarely on Manny.
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Bingo we essentially went 3 years there without taking a true linebacker let alone blue chip line backer, we are essentially rebuilding that position now because of that. Height, weight, speed need to get back to those key traits. We got one this year in Chase Smith, now we need to put the full court to land the 3 of Bissanthe best cover backer in years in south Florida, Tolon from Orlando tall fast and track hurdler, and the backer from Nebraska who's 6-2 and runs a 10.50 flat 100 meter before even getting to college.
 
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Jassid82 said:
That 2017 class coupled with Brooks getting injured in HS and not being ready to play Day 1 has really hurt us. I dont think anyone projected Huff to take this long to get it in gear either. We have just had bad luck. When you take a look at it..those were some good evals at the time.

The only person who really doesnt belong would MAYBE be Flagg. (who I really liked out of HS but the board is split on him as a player) The board loved everyone else out of HS including BJ Jennings who many thought would take Shaqs spot as the thumper of the LB core.
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So its our coaching. When you watch those highlights in the op those guys were always in the right spot at the right time. The coverage then as compared to now is night and day.
 
Serious question. Why do we continue to try and turn rush ends like Mike smith, huff, brooks into backers?

it’s like the complete opposite of what JJ used to do. Bring speed closer to the line of scrimmage. Big athletic safeties moved to OLB. Bigger fast LBs moved to DE. Manny is going backwards with guys unlisted above.

Guys like brooks has no business playing LB. He can’t read a key to save his life. The guy is a rush end specialist only.
 
SotaCanespiracy said:
That's the thing about it the guys I listed in the op didn't come in as 210 pound former safeties. Those 2000 linebackers were all blue chip guys that had height, weight, and speed. We're still waiting to get Huff on the field and he's been here 3 years
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no offense, but no. vilma was not a big guy when he got here. he wasn’t even big when he left. Beason was a ‘former safety.’. Ray Lewis was not big when he got here.

Folks make this too complicated. LB is about instincts and physicality. Plenty of big guys can’t move or go in the wrong direction. The idea it’s all different today is BS. We went to a striker spot, which ain’t a size increase. Anyone who thinks ray lewis or LT couldn’t play today, just go back to your lego set.
 
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Coach Macho said:
Okay. But then UNC ate our lunch the following year.
Did you just contradict my point with something that's equally as bad? lol

You're saying this defense doesn't get owned by the same opponent in back-to-back seasons?
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I’m tryna think back..I don’t think that’s been the case annually since 15..I think u could say Wisconsin’s run game did it to us. But the same ACC opponents haven’t gashed us back to back years that I can recall. UNC went of last year but not the year prior..FSU hasn’t been a problem. UVA nah. Duke nah. And neither of the Tech either
 
DTP said:
The original comparison was to Georgia Tech so I was strictly talking about stopping the run.
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This is all found when comparing teams that typically had a productive rush game against us.

GT:
-2016: 267 rush yards (4.9 ypc - W)
-2017: 226 rush yards (4.3 ypc - W)
-2018: 231 rush yards (4.4 ypc - L)
-2019: 207 rush yards (4.6 ypc - L)
-2020: Cancelled Game

So it looks like we constantly gave up 200+ yards on 4+ ypc every game against GT. Hence we’re 2-2 against them, and was “this” close to being 1-3 against them.

UNC:
-2016: 162 rush yards (3.8ypc - L)
-2017: 176 rush yards (3.8 ypc - W)
-2018: 215 rush yards (5.4 ypc - W)
-2019: 97 rush yards (2.7ypc - L)
-2020: I’m not going to do this - we know. L

So it looks like w/ UNC, 2019 was our best yr by far against the run, but we continuously gave up 150 on the ground, which bled the clock. We should be 3-2 v. UNC as opposed to 2-3. Defense infamously blew that 17 point lead to the true frosh QB in ‘19 after playing **** near lights out.

I guess the point is, to say Miami hasn’t had back to back games where it’s given up a ton of rushing to same opponent is not 100% accurate. I will say we have far fewer moments of giving up back to back 150+ rushing games to the same opponents than not.
 
305to954 said:
I’m tryna think back..I don’t think that’s been the case annually since 15..I think u could say Wisconsin’s run game did it to us. But the same ACC opponents haven’t gashed us back to back years that I can recall. UNC went of last year but not the year prior..FSU hasn’t been a problem. UVA nah. Duke nah. And neither of the Tech either
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I just highlighted this. Read above.
 
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The linebacker play in 2020 was bad..to say the linebacker play had been “atrocious” in Manny’s era is a flat out lie tho
 
Rellyrell said:
This is all found when comparing teams that typically had a productive rush game against us.

GT:
-2016: 267 rush yards (4.9 ypc - W)
-2017: 226 rush yards (4.3 ypc - W)
-2018: 231 rush yards (4.4 ypc - L)
-2019: 207 rush yards (4.6 ypc - L)
-2020: Cancelled Game

So it looks like we constantly gave up 200+ yards on 4+ ypc every game against GT. Hence we’re 2-2 against them, and was “this” close to being 1-3 against them.

UNC:
-2016: 162 rush yards (3.8ypc - L)
-2017: 176 rush yards (3.8 ypc - W)
-2018: 215 rush yards (5.4 ypc - W)
-2019: 97 rush yards (2.7ypc - L)
-2020: I’m not going to do this - we know. L

So it looks like w/ UNC, 2019 was our best yr by far against the run, but we continuously gave up 150 on the ground, which bled the clock. We should be 3-2 v. UNC as opposed to 2-3. Defense infamously blew that 17 point lead to the true frosh QB in ‘19 after playing **** near lights out.

I guess the point is, to say Miami hasn’t had back to back games where it’s given up a ton of rushing to same opponent is not 100% accurate. I will say we have far fewer moments of giving up back to back 150+ rushing games to the same opponents than not.
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We are also equally as close to being 3-1 against GT. That 2019 game was the ultimate fluke.
 
305to954 said:
True. GT that’s expected given the Triple O. Against UNC this year was a blip compared to the previous years..Wisconsin is the team that got us back to back years
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I wouldn’t even say Wisconsin. We had Taylor bottled in 2017, up until that ill-advised pick Rosier threw. We held them to under 150 in game 1. Now game 2?? Yeah; ran it down our throats like Ava Devine in her gangbang prime. Lol.
 
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Rellyrell said:
I wouldn’t even say Wisconsin. We had Taylor bottled in 2017, up until that ill-advised pick Rosier threw. We held them to under 150 in game 1. Now game 2?? Yeah; ran it down our throats like Ava Devine in her gangbang prime. Lol.
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S/o to Ava 💯. But yeah u right on the money with that.. @Coach Macho got sum splaining to do 😂. We get that big boy from Deerfield, the cat from Homestead untop of Roberts, hunte and LT and we plugging them holes..then hit in this LB cycle we good
 
305to954 said:
S/o to Ava 💯. But yeah u right on the money with that.. @Coach Macho got sum splaining to do 😂. We get that big boy from Deerfield, the cat from Homestead untop of Roberts, hunte and LT and we plugging them holes..then hit in this LB cycle we good
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Yeah we definitely need an infusion at LB Fa sho. Some good ones locally. Hopefully we can pull & hold on to Tolan & Bissainthe. That’ll take care of the ILB & OLB right there. Then build around. I can’t stress enough how important this season is; just like I said the 2014 season & 2018 seasons were. Honeymoon is over with. Now we gotta produce.

Real quick story regarding Ava; one of my frat’s brother is a legend in the industry. (May have mentioned it on here, w/o name dropping). I been on a couple sets & met a couple chicks that I’m still friends w/ today. One I always wanted to meet was Ava; never got a chance. But from what I heard, real sweet heart off camera, but str8 animal when the lights come on, to the point thar even some of the studs, while on viagra, be like I need a break. Lol. He said one 25 min scene took 5 hrs to shoot b/c she was draining his stamina. Lol.
 
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M3N said:
Serious question. Why do we continue to try and turn rush ends like Mike smith, huff, brooks into backers?

it’s like the complete opposite of what JJ used to do. Bring speed closer to the line of scrimmage. Big athletic safeties moved to OLB. Bigger fast LBs moved to DE. Manny is going backwards with guys unlisted above.

Guys like brooks has no business playing LB. He can’t read a key to save his life. The guy is a rush end specialist only.
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BECAUSE any kid about 6'1 190 in south florida is playing DE in high schol. Go to any high school game and thats all you will see...In s.fla high school speed is the name of the game on defense. These guys arent getting much work at off the ball backer...

Your going to recruit what your target/local area has. Huff honestly wasnt a de though...he played all over the place at Mcarthur. I think he played alot of off the ball at STA as well. Brooks and Smith played at MNW...where there defense is like a 4 *1 track team...all speed. They essentiall run a 5-2 and just send guys up the field all game
 
Rellyrell said:
Yeah we definitely need an infusion at LB Fa sho. Some good ones locally. Hopefully we can pull & hold on to Tolan & Bissainthe. That’ll take care of the ILB & OLB right there. Then build around. I can’t stress enough how important this season is; just like I said the 2014 season & 2018 seasons were. Honeymoon is over with. Now we gotta produce.

Real quick story regarding Ava; one of my frat’s brother is a legend in the industry. (May have mentioned it on here, w/o name dropping). I been on a couple sets & met a couple chicks that I’m still friends w/ today. One I always wanted to meet was Ava; never got a chance. But from what I heard, real sweet heart off camera, but str8 animal when the lights come on, to the point thar even some of the studs, while on viagra, be like I need a break. Lol. He said one 25 min scene took 5 hrs to shoot b/c she was draining his stamina. Lol.
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Lmao bruh😭😭..5 hrs for a 25 min scene 🤦🏾‍♂️
 
DTP said:
They ran for 472 yards against us in 2008 and 308 in 2010. We did hold them to under 100 in 2009 and 134 in 2011 so it was definitely a mixed bag.
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Believe me, I remember that 08 game like it was yesterday.
I could have sworn that was a once in a lifetime disaster...until this past December.
I was more so referring to his junior year and the game in Miami his senior year,
First 2 years vs GT he had little impact. 9 total tackles.
His last 2 years he had 21/13 solo.
 
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