PODCAST: D$ and Peter vent on MTSU loss and Frankie Tinilau joins the show

[RiDLer80]

In fairness, Gattis' resume was there. No one saw this coming. He had been at Bama and had seemingly run a productive offense at Michigan and he won the Broyles to boot. It was a homerun hire then. Now? Not so much. But at the time it was widely lauded by everyone as a homerun.

In fairness, nothing Gattis did at Michigan showed him to be this spread guru. He tried to implement that his first two years at Michigan and failed spectacularly. Their 2021 offense looked nothing like that wide-open Bama offense he was brought in to implement.

What we're seeing with our offense reasonable fans saw coming a mile away. Michigan finished 68th in the country in passing offense last season, and 65th in plays per game. This is no surprise we have a slow, undynamic offense.

 

[AlexCane]

In fairness, nothing Gattis did at Michigan showed him to be this spread guru. He tried to implement that his first two years at Michigan and failed spectacularly. Their 2021 offense looked nothing like that wide-open Bama offense he was brought in to implement.

What we're seeing with our offense reasonable fans saw coming a mile away. Michigan finished 68th in the country in passing offense last season, and 65th in plays per game. This is no surprise we have a slow, undynamic offense.

I think this take is with the benefit of hindsight. No one believed we'd be going spread, air-it-out--not with Mario. But the hire was generally lauded. I mean, everyone here believed that Michigan's mediocre passing offense was because their QBs stunk.

 

[JgDaCane]

You are entitled to your opinion like mine I won’t for sure @ you about it, that ain’t my g code about opinions. I only at trolls most of the time or certain other things. You can disagree dog ain’t nada, but I will say saban lost 6 games yer one and signed Julio Jones and the number three ranked class. Just saying I go by proof of it being done before not what message board fans feel like. From being on Miami forums over the years I noticed when the upper echelon arrive they recruit different. That’s been the only proof of rise to dominance nothing else, I’ll agree with Kirby Smart, Howard and Jimmy Johnson. Just get the elite players and u will accidentally win.

I heard for years on scout that jimbo wouldn’t win a natty, and I remember seeing his first class and said they will win one. I saw Kirby was doing and I said all they have to do is beat bama and they will win one. Just look at the classes and u will know what u are getting most of the time. Butch did it just like that, different time but same strategy. I don’t even have to look these things up they are in my memory, it’s pretty simple. And it doesn’t excuse last Saturday but that’s part of the rebuild, not planned but u go through the pains that’s how it is. I’m sure bama lost to Utah in the second saban year in that bowl game they got bodied. And he lost to Louisiana Monroe.....I’m sure there were fried fans calling for his head then. Do u not think a Julio Jones starting changes coverages for defenses? Do u not think a Sean Taylor or deon can divide a field in half? Difference makers make coaches look good in cfb

None of that was my point. My point was that we won’t be finding any of that out because that talent that those guys got will not be coming here. Unlike those places wins do matter in recruiting here. That will be seen shortly when we get a huge string of decommits after we lose a bunch more games. If we don’t by some miracle then I completely agree. Talent does make coaches look good. However that wasn’t my argument.

 

[M3N]

"I'm just a kid with a dream. For me, my goal is to just play football and have fun...I'm not too serious about winning and losing, I'm just here to get better and be great." ~Frankie Tinilau

I think a lot of guys on the current roster share that same sentiment. Not a big fan of that statement tbh.

Not good

 

[Category69]

Aww man I dreaded listening to this one but it was a good podcast fellas, I think you guys broke it down very objectively from all directions. What a disappointing last few weeks.

 

[JASONCOEM]

In fairness, Gattis' resume was there. No one saw this coming. He had been at Bama and had seemingly run a productive offense at Michigan and he won the Broyles to boot. It was a homerun hire then. Now? Not so much. But at the time it was widely lauded by everyone as a homerun

In fairness, Gattis' resume was there. No one saw this coming. He had been at Bama and had seemingly run a productive offense at Michigan and he won the Broyles to boot. It was a homerun hire then. Now? Not so much. But at the time it was widely lauded by everyone as a homerun.

I won’t sit here and pretend that I thought it was a horrible higher at the time, just because the presence of a more seasoned Cristobal(Just saying that because he Was under Saban at Bama for 4yrs)but I new it would be a serious gamble to change offense style with these players..

 

[JOE'CANE]

"I'm just a kid with a dream. For me, my goal is to just play football and have fun...I'm not too serious about winning and losing, I'm just here to get better and be great." ~Frankie Tinilau

I think a lot of guys on the current roster share that same sentiment. Not a big fan of that statement tbh.

Honestly I think that most kids from that generation think like that, even "the south florida dogs" that really don't exist anymore.

 

[AlexCane]

"I'm just a kid with a dream. For me, my goal is to just play football and have fun...I'm not too serious about winning and losing, I'm just here to get better and be great." ~Frankie Tinilau

I think a lot of guys on the current roster share that same sentiment. Not a big fan of that statement tbh.

I didn't watch the interview or context, but don't forget that he's at La Salle, which is a really small school that does not play in any of the big conferences for HS sports down here. He probably won't play in many if any meaningful games.

 

[jevoasis]

Seems like a major miss-step by Gattis. He should have gone after a small school HC opportunity instead of trying to use what he saw in TVD and Mario to try to have one major season as OC to be a 'hot' name. He must be scrambling now. Hopefully he lets it fly but this was a major fail for everyone.

 

[JG14]

Honestly I think that most kids from that generation think like that, even "the south florida dogs" that really don't exist anymore.

He's brand new to football and playing at LaSalle if I'm not mistaken. I think his attitude will change once he gets to the next level

 

[BS85]

I think the natural question is why did they need to see it in-season (against mostly poor teams) to make those changes? This wasn't that difficult to predict. It's basically most people's offseason concerns (re: offensive approach) coming to reality during the first 4 (Bethune doesn't count) games. I'd be happy with a genuine change, but remain curious about how it even got to that point and if the underlying reason for not proactively addressing it still remains.

***I realize no one except a handful next to Mario have that answer. But, for the sake of the discussion...

THIS!!!! ******* THIS!!!! like obviously it's good if Mario FINALLY figured out bro style sucks, especially at a place literally built for the spread. However, the program has been set back due to this and there was absolutely no reason for it. It's just so unbelievably stupid.

 

[BS85]

Frankie was talking a bout himself not francis imo. He was saying he was going to take visits

He's been saying that for a few months at least, he wasn't a firm commit before and he still probably isn't.

 

[JOE'CANE]

He's brand new to football and playing at LaSalle if I'm not mistaken. I think his attitude will change once he gets to the next level

Time will tell but these are different times

 

[jmiller]

 

[jackbenimble71]

Do you think our fan base down here is going to give any coach time to even think they can get Bama and Georgia recruits down here to run a power offense you’re crazy!! You have to have a résumé that’s fairly recent like winning, college atmosphere, and fans support every game!! Unfortunately most of us Miami fans Don’t evolve just like our coaches and we live in the past!!

bro, we couldn't score a td vs atm. we lost to m tenn fing state. gattis offense is a fraud. 45 given up against MTS is got dam treason. come on man.

we should be 4-0 right not. the game against s miss should have shook the coaches.

we need the air raid and open the m****er up on offense.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

Found that interesting.

When all of the commits posted after the loss reaffirming their commitment, was Francis one of them? Dont recall seeing his.

yes. he posted it. I think Francis is fine. Not sure about Frankie

 

[BoxingRobes]

I think this take is with the benefit of hindsight. No one believed we'd be going spread, air-it-out--not with Mario. But the hire was generally lauded. I mean, everyone here believed that Michigan's mediocre passing offense was because their QBs stunk.

It is because the QBs stunk...but despite that, Gattis' offenses were still beating G5 teams and didn't look nearly this bad.

Dan Enos, now with Maryland was 78th in YPP here (81st in SP+). He was 42nd in YPP (29th SP+) in Maryland in 2021 (2 spots ahead of Miami, under Lashlee, btw). He is currently 9th in the nation in YPP (14th SP+).

Gattis was 2nd (CoOC at Bama), 69th (with Shea Patterson 21st in SP+), 43rd (42nd in SP+; with Joe Milton/Cade McNamara), 22nd (10th SP+; with Cade McNamara).

He is currently 77th at Miami (42nd in SP+).

Maybe...hear me out...just maybe...its us.

For perspective, Lashlee was 44th (25th SP+) and 40th (30th SP+) in his two years here after he was 40th at SMU (30th in SP+; SMU is currently 37th through this season as HC; 19th in SP+).

 

[DMoney]

I think the natural question is why did they need to see it in-season (against mostly poor teams) to make those changes? This wasn't that difficult to predict. It's basically most people's offseason concerns (re: offensive approach) coming to reality during the first 4 (Bethune doesn't count) games. I'd be happy with a genuine change, but remain curious about how it even got to that point and if the underlying reason for not proactively addressing it still remains.

***I realize no one except a handful next to Mario have that answer. But, for the sake of the discussion...

My guess is he thought TVD would be better. I did, too, even while watching the offense struggle around him during camp. His yips are surprising.

As for hiring Gattis in the first place, Mario strikes me as a guy who likes shiny things. I’ve never seen a coach speak so openly about recruiting rankings. Most coaches fall over themselves to say they don’t look at stars. Mario brags about star rankings in an unusual way. The OCs we were linked to in the offseason all had pretty different styles so I don’t think it’s necessarily about type. He wanted someone with pedigree like a Broyles Award.

This is all speculation but it’s the impression I get.

 

[Canesfan1899]

My guess is he thought TVD would be better. I did, too, even while watching the offense struggle around him during camp. His yips are surprising.

As for hiring Gattis in the first place, Mario strikes me as a guy who likes shiny things. I’ve never seen a coach speak so openly about recruiting rankings. Most coaches fall over themselves to say they don’t look at stars. Mario brags about star rankings in an unusual way. The OCs we were linked to in the offseason all had pretty different styles so I don’t think it’s necessarily about type. He wanted someone with pedigree like a Broyles Award.

This is all speculation but it’s the impression I get.

If this is the case hopefully he will look for a new shiny toy in the off-season that runs some version of an offense from this decade.

 

[LuCane]

I think this take is with the benefit of hindsight. No one believed we'd be going spread, air-it-out--not with Mario. But the hire was generally lauded. I mean, everyone here believed that Michigan's mediocre passing offense was because their QBs stunk.

Gotta push back on this quote and your other quote that "no one saw this coming." Perhaps no one saw exactly this result. Gattis' resume was there with the big award everyone referenced. On the outside, it looked like we grabbed "a playoff OC who'd just won the Broyles." It was the consistent argument in support.

There were tons of people - here and on twitter arguing with Gattis himself, lol - who were wondering/hoping/praying his previous approach was really just a product of "being limited by a crap QB." But, the offseason was full of concern and skepticism about what we'd look like and how TVD would look vs how he looked during his 300-yard run last season.

Personally, it was my #1 question in August: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/my-biggest-questions-going-into-fall-camp.178845/

But, I can link/screenshot some even earlier comments/questions about how it'd look and how it better be something more/different than what we'd seen at UMich. Here's one:

I'm definitely not the only one. FAR from it. I was skeptical, cautious, and willing to wait and see if he'd come in with something more aligned to TVD's strengths and weaknesses (they're still there, maybe worse). He did not. I think part of TVD's yips are precisely because of what he's being asked to do within the scheme and playcalling. That's a rough start to your coordinator function.

There were others who had even stronger stances - saying he'd outright suck. I presume based on what he had shown and they figured it'd be the same here. I didn't go that far because there's always a chance someone adjusts. Instead, SO FAR, he's only validated concerns. If he changes now - and he already went to hurry up more last game - it feels more like an admission of guilt than the genuine understanding of what we needed most.