Perspective on Mario start

[Handsome Squidbum]

Saban losing to ULM and going 6-6 doesn't make the point you think it does.

How about we instead of clinging to it in isolation, we try putting it in the proper context?

Name the list of P5 coaches who lost to a G5 team at any point who went on to achieve anything of note at that program?

The only one that jumps out is Nick Saban. Hits a lot differently.

I promised you the list of those that failed is longer, and if it isn't a big sample, it's because P5 coaches don't lose to G5 schools.

Saban also passed the tests earlier in that season with wins over two top 25 teams. So it was plausible to say the issue was with the players, not the coaches.

 

[jrw]

Oregon fan here, coming in commiseration with you all. For three years I felt what is now your pain. My short comment is prepare for more. Mario is a great guy, a terrific recruiter and an awful coach. He'll micromanage the OC until the OC leaves and he'll quash anything more imaginative than plunges into the A gap. You'll hear a lot about "more physicality" and "more toughness". Game management will be terrible. It was that way the entire time Mario was at Oregon, and the U has given him too many millions of reasons to change now. Sorry.

 

[ddann]

Oregon fan here, coming in commiseration with you all. For three years I felt what is now your pain. My short comment is prepare for more. Mario is a great guy, a terrific recruiter and an awful coach. He'll micromanage the OC until the OC leaves

 

[GoCanes!!]

One thing you touched on I agree with is the reliance on local recruiting and the necessity to branch out more consistently. A few years back Urban Meyer mentioned his strong preference recruiting Texas over Florida as the players there were better coached, more fundamentally sound. We've seen lots of our highly rated SoFla kids struggle lining up properly, tackling, etc. Maybe more Tejas, Louisiana, Georgia kids will mitigate it at least somewhat as long as the coaches do their part (you know, the coaches on the highest paid staff in the ACC ). Major solutions to decades old problems are never too simple but this could be a big factor. Luckily, recruiting is what MC does best. We look on track to quickly turn over the o line & LB rooms, but major help is needed at RB, WR, and CB.

This actually is something I've thought about.. Miami, UF, FSU has been in the tank for a little while. I think these florida kids just want those "highlight plays, Big hits," and don't tackle the correct way. So many kids go in with the crown instead of helmet up. James is a example. Everytime he goes to tackle its all shoulders looking for that big hit instead of just getting guys on the ground

 

[GoCanes!!]

Oregon fan here, coming in commiseration with you all. For three years I felt what is now your pain. My short comment is prepare for more. Mario is a great guy, a terrific recruiter and an awful coach. He'll micromanage the OC until the OC leaves and he'll quash anything more imaginative than plunges into the A gap. You'll hear a lot about "more physicality" and "more toughness". Game management will be terrible. It was that way the entire time Mario was at Oregon, and the U has given him too many millions of reasons to change now. Sorry.

pretty weird. seeing how Mario has your roster built pretty well and he had success there. Most success there since Chip. I personally don't believe Oregon will ever win a championship so I don't understand why you would come on a Miami board with that noise

 

[razrcane]

Saban also passed the tests earlier in that season with wins over two top 25 teams. So it was plausible to say the issue was with the players, not the coaches.

He also won one more game than the previous season. So I guess we should expect Mario to win at least one more game than last year if we are going by that logic.

 

[SayWhat]

You coach to the players you've got and so far, they've done a **** job of it.

I'm so sick of people excusing away how we've been playing. It's bull****, man up and work with what you've got. Earn that paycheck if bounce, that's for the coaches and guys with NIL deals.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Since it doesn’t make sense, does that mean it didn’t happen?

Yeah, but since it happened, should it have happened, and why did it happen the way it happened, or could it happen again, but not the same way it happened, or a different reason for why it happened?

I happen to think it's possible.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

pretty weird. seeing how Mario has your roster built pretty well and he had success there. Most success there since Chip. I personally don't believe Oregon will ever win a championship so I don't understand why you would come on a Miami board with that noise

Because he's being Truthful

 

[jsy]

I’ve also seen a lot of regression too. One improvement by the ol doesn’t Instill confidence when the rest of the team is falling apart

Oline marginally better at best still can’t get one yard against thst mighty oline

 

[NorthernVirginiaCane]

Last year's team beat the acc Champs on the road and were playing fine after scheduling and injuries derailed the early season.

So 1, NOT a rebuilding job. 2nd most talent in the ACC.

2, even a rebuilding job, which it is not, doesn't excuse losing to middle Tennessee (or really, even a bad a&m ...).

Mario is garbage.

 

[AUcane]

Look,I know - we all see the issues we currently have. Plain to see.

But we haven’t been good in a number of years. It was never going to be an immediate turnaround,

For perspective, Nick Saban went 6-6 his first year, including losing to Louisiana-Monroe before winning a lowly bowl game. Secind year made the conference championship but lost.

Are you aware that Saban's team that year (his first) lost their games by one score? He didn't have the collapses that Mario's team has had versus a vastly inferior team. Saban's first year was also an improvement over the prior two years. We are already arguably worse than last year.

 

[miamimike305]

I knew you were going to compare a said coach to our coach. Mario sucks and his type of offense that he likes to run will be the end of him here in Miami. Like I said in the past when we hired him. He will get us better talent but it will get old dropping 3 games a year where we wont get over the hump.

 

[KingB02]

But you're claiming that the guy who won 10 games, including a game at Ohio State, can't coach a bunch of south Florida blue chip athletes past MTSU. Does that even make sense?

Lmao did you not see it with your own eyes?

 

[KingB02]

Are you aware that Saban's team that year (his first) lost their games by one score? He didn't have the collapses that Mario's team has had versus a vastly inferior team. Saban's first year was also an improvement over the prior two years. We are already arguably worse than last year.

Yeah idk with people always make this excuse for every new coach we get. Bama was not consistently getting top 15 classes before Satan got there like we have gotten so he had a very untalented team the first year and the SEC love fest hadn’t started yet.

 

[SmokeyRone]

If Restrapo doesn't get hurt, we are almost certainly 4-0 and all of us would be on the Kool Aid. We 'd still be what we are, however. Very bad.

 

[simplycanes]

Saban also passed the tests earlier in that season with wins over two top 25 teams. So it was plausible to say the issue was with the players, not the coaches.

There's a million things wrong with the Saban comparison, this is on the list, too, along with the fact he had done the job before and won a NC.

 

[Jassid82]

I dont know why folks want to bring up the people who predicted 9-10 wins like we all just knew this team would get embarassed by MTSU. Once that loss happened, every preseason prediction goes out the window.

To the folks who predicted 6-6 or even 4-8...Did you have MTSU down as a loss? Just curious..(eyes rolling). Get over it. We all know now. This team until proven otherwise..sucks. I hope they prove me wrong. Starts this Saturday at 4pm..And Mario doesnt get a "free year" if he does worse then Manny did last year. Thats a failure in my book. This team has better than 6-6 level talent.

 

[hurricaneman]

Oregon fan here, coming in commiseration with you all. For three years I felt what is now your pain. My short comment is prepare for more. Mario is a great guy, a terrific recruiter and an awful coach. He'll micromanage the OC until the OC leaves and he'll quash anything more imaginative than plunges into the A gap. You'll hear a lot about "more physicality" and "more toughness". Game management will be terrible. It was that way the entire time Mario was at Oregon, and the U has given him too many millions of reasons to change now. Sorry.

If "pain" is winning the ACC in year 2 and making a playoff run deep into the season in year 4 (which was more like year 3 given Covid) then I'll take your "pain" any day. Whether you like to hear it or not, if you remove the Utah debacle, Mario basically had you guys at your ceiling. Oregon is never going to be a contender year in and year out.

I'm not a Mario hater and I'm glad he's here. I hope he grows and learns to be a better coach, but given the last two decades of Miami football I'm not looking to play in the national championship every year. I just want to compete.

 

[blushrts]

One thing you touched on I agree with is the reliance on local recruiting and the necessity to branch out more consistently. A few years back Urban Meyer mentioned his strong preference recruiting Texas over Florida as the players there were better coached, more fundamentally sound. We've seen lots of our highly rated SoFla kids struggle lining up properly, tackling, etc. Maybe more Tejas, Louisiana, Georgia kids will mitigate it at least somewhat as long as the coaches do their part (you know, the coaches on the highest paid staff in the ACC ). Major solutions to decades old problems are never too simple but this could be a big factor. Luckily, recruiting is what MC does best. We look on track to quickly turn over the o line & LB rooms, but major help is needed at RB, WR, and CB.

Awful lot of DB's looking around at each other after they all aren't on the same page. For YEARS.