Pat Bethel

[drewm3i]

Is Jenkins still trying to leave?

I think he and Gray are staying.

Bethel and even DJ Johnson (eventually) could probably play inside. We need depth, not for this year, but for next.

Dj johnson will not play dt. He is only 240. Why the **** yall keep saying that?

6'4" 240 as a highschooler. He could easily be 6'5" 285 as a rs-fr ready to play.

 

[gogeta4]

Bethel is just abig de...he wont put pon weight to be a dt. His frame is still small. I like him at de anyway. Recruit a dt transfer post signing day.

 

[Cribby]

Is Jenkins still trying to leave?

I think he and Gray are staying.

Bethel and even DJ Johnson (eventually) could probably play inside. We need depth, not for this year, but for next.

Dj johnson will not play dt. He is only 240. Why the **** yall keep saying that?

6'4" 240 as a highschooler. He could easily be 6'5" 285 as a rs-fr ready to play.

He's not red shirting and not playing dt

 

[drewm3i]

Is Jenkins still trying to leave?

I think he and Gray are staying.

Bethel and even DJ Johnson (eventually) could probably play inside. We need depth, not for this year, but for next.

Dj johnson will not play dt. He is only 240. Why the **** yall keep saying that?

6'4" 240 as a highschooler. He could easily be 6'5" 285 as a rs-fr ready to play.

He's not red shirting and not playing dt

Why not redshirt? Right now he's our 5th or 6th DE.

 

[Cribby]

Is Jenkins still trying to leave?

I think he and Gray are staying.

Bethel and even DJ Johnson (eventually) could probably play inside. We need depth, not for this year, but for next.

Dj johnson will not play dt. He is only 240. Why the **** yall keep saying that?

It's a cis obsession . Make wr /te, te/ol, s/lb, lb/de and de/DT. Since JJ did in the 80's we should do it with anybody that's actually carrying nice size for the position.

 

[drewm3i]

Is Jenkins still trying to leave?

I think he and Gray are staying.

Bethel and even DJ Johnson (eventually) could probably play inside. We need depth, not for this year, but for next.

Dj johnson will not play dt. He is only 240. Why the **** yall keep saying that?

It's a cis obsession . Make wr /te, te/ol, s/lb, lb/de and de/DT. Since JJ did in the 80's we should do it with anybody that's actually carrying nice size for the position.

RJ McIntosh, Winston, Njoku, Winslow, Najeh Davenport, Allen Bailey, and more. It's always an option to explore, especially since we are loaded at DE and paper thin at DT after next year.

 

[Cribby]

Is Jenkins still trying to leave?

I think he and Gray are staying.

Bethel and even DJ Johnson (eventually) could probably play inside. We need depth, not for this year, but for next.

Dj johnson will not play dt. He is only 240. Why the **** yall keep saying that?

It's a cis obsession . Make wr /te, te/ol, s/lb, lb/de and de/DT. Since JJ did in the 80's we should do it with anybody that's actually carrying nice size for the position.

RJ McIntosh, Winston, Njoku, Winslow, Najeh Davenport, Allen Bailey, and more. It's always an option to explore, especially since we are loaded at DE and paper thin at DT after next year.

Yes , it is but not every recruit or player on the roster. Any wr that's over 6'2 200 automatically is mentionioned as a te , or bigger safety a lb. It's almost comical , there's always the rare chance it happens and a guy is capable of it. But it's not as common as some make it.

Like RJ, he was a five technique. We don't need him there so the normal progression is to slide inside to a three technique. That's nowhere the same as sliding a 4-3 de inside , especially if that's his natural position. RJ was going to be in the 285-290 range regardless, he didn't need fattened up to make that switch. It was natural.

There's nothing about Bethels body , or frame that says DT imo. Then there's the whole " can he actually play that position or even want to do it". That's the part most are forgetting , can the guy actually play that spot ? Not just throw some peanut butter sammiches at a guy and say " you're a DT now".

 

[teddywestside]

I think he and Gray are staying.

Bethel and even DJ Johnson (eventually) could probably play inside. We need depth, not for this year, but for next.

Dj johnson will not play dt. He is only 240. Why the **** yall keep saying that?

It's a cis obsession . Make wr /te, te/ol, s/lb, lb/de and de/DT. Since JJ did in the 80's we should do it with anybody that's actually carrying nice size for the position.

RJ McIntosh, Winston, Njoku, Winslow, Najeh Davenport, Allen Bailey, and more. It's always an option to explore, especially since we are loaded at DE and paper thin at DT after next year.

Yes , it is but not every recruit or player on the roster. Any wr that's over 6'2 200 automatically is mentionioned as a te , or bigger safety a lb. It's almost comical , there's always the rare chance it happens and a guy is capable of it. But it's not as common as some make it.

Like RJ, he was a five technique. We don't need him there so the normal progression is to slide inside to a three technique. That's nowhere the same as sliding a 4-3 de inside , especially if that's his natural position. RJ was going to be in the 285-290 range regardless, he didn't need fattened up to make that switch. It was natural.

There's nothing about Bethels body , or frame that says DT imo. Then there's the whole " can he actually play that position or even want to do it". That's the part most are forgetting , can the guy actually play that spot ? Not just throw some peanut butter sammiches at a guy and say " you're a DT now".

Bethel might have no choice but to try. He's sandwiched between Thomas, D Jackson, Trent, and Joe Jackson above him who are higher on the depth chart, and two elite prospects below him in DJ Johnson and Garvin who could jump him. IF he gets passed by DJ or Garvin or both....

It's not out of the realm of possibility that he try the transition in order to get a much better chance of playing. 6'3 260 is not ideal of course, but 6'3 275 in 18 months could be enough to earn at least rotational minutes as a 25 snap backup or a 3rd down DT. **** he could become valuable as a SDE who could also move inside if needed.

 

[Cribby]

Dj johnson will not play dt. He is only 240. Why the **** yall keep saying that?

It's a cis obsession . Make wr /te, te/ol, s/lb, lb/de and de/DT. Since JJ did in the 80's we should do it with anybody that's actually carrying nice size for the position.

RJ McIntosh, Winston, Njoku, Winslow, Najeh Davenport, Allen Bailey, and more. It's always an option to explore, especially since we are loaded at DE and paper thin at DT after next year.

Yes , it is but not every recruit or player on the roster. Any wr that's over 6'2 200 automatically is mentionioned as a te , or bigger safety a lb. It's almost comical , there's always the rare chance it happens and a guy is capable of it. But it's not as common as some make it.

Like RJ, he was a five technique. We don't need him there so the normal progression is to slide inside to a three technique. That's nowhere the same as sliding a 4-3 de inside , especially if that's his natural position. RJ was going to be in the 285-290 range regardless, he didn't need fattened up to make that switch. It was natural.

There's nothing about Bethels body , or frame that says DT imo. Then there's the whole " can he actually play that position or even want to do it". That's the part most are forgetting , can the guy actually play that spot ? Not just throw some peanut butter sammiches at a guy and say " you're a DT now".

Bethel might have no choice but to try. He's sandwiched between Thomas, D Jackson, Trent, and Joe Jackson above him who are higher on the depth chart, and two elite prospects below him in DJ Johnson and Garvin who could jump him. IF he gets passed by DJ or Garvin or both....

It's not out of the realm of possibility that he try the transition in order to get a much better chance of playing. 6'3 260 is not ideal of course, but 6'3 275 in 18 months could be enough to earn at least rotational minutes as a 25 snap backup or a 3rd down DT. **** he could become valuable as a SDE who could also move inside if needed.

We use a lot of bodies on the dl especially at de. With all the spread offenses and tempo you need those guys shuffling in an out. And you need guys like Patchan who are specialists.

If the de are in the 260 range they can also slide inside on pass downs , it's only the base downs you need to worry about the dt's.

Everyone is freaking out about DT , that's the only reason this is even being mentioned. We'll add a transfer or two and then focus on DT next year. It's not as bad as people are making it.


Folks need to relax.

 

[Coach Macho]

Is Jenkins still trying to leave?

I think he and Gray are staying.

Bethel and even DJ Johnson (eventually) could probably play inside. We need depth, not for this year, but for next.

Dj johnson will not play dt. He is only 240. Why the **** yall keep saying that?

6'4" 240 as a highschooler. He could easily be 6'5" 285 as a rs-fr ready to play.

No he can't. That's 45 pounds. This ain't Madden create-a-player. He'll gain 25-30 pounds tops his whole career here.


And 285 is very light for a 6'4" DT.

 

[Coach Macho]

Is Jenkins still trying to leave?

I think he and Gray are staying.

Bethel and even DJ Johnson (eventually) could probably play inside. We need depth, not for this year, but for next.

Dj johnson will not play dt. He is only 240. Why the **** yall keep saying that?

It's a cis obsession . Make wr /te, te/ol, s/lb, lb/de and de/DT. Since JJ did in the 80's we should do it with anybody that's actually carrying nice size for the position.

RJ McIntosh, Winston, Njoku, Winslow, Najeh Davenport, Allen Bailey, and more. It's always an option to explore, especially since we are loaded at DE and paper thin at DT after next year.

RJ McIntosh was 275 easy as a Senior in high school.

Allen Bailey was 265 when he got to Miami as a Freshman. He left here in the 280's.

 

[canesbaby]

DT recruiting was a failure this year. Taking 1 was not wise. CMR alluded to a few guys potentially leaving early. Could lose 5 DTs with only Ford and Martin left.

Gotta land 4 DT, 4 corners, 4 RBs

Agree with your sentiment but your numbers are off in my opinion. Need more OL, WR, a TE, couple LBs to go along with the DBs and DTs. There may not be enough ships to land 4 DTs. My guess is 2.

 

[Coach Macho]

What is the obsession with sliding everybody inside?

And why does everybody think that kids gain an easy 40 pounds in college? That almost never happens.
Did you MF's not see what Golden did to some of our kids? How he ruined Chickillo by making him go from a 245lb 4-3 DE to a 287lb 3-4 DE? The kid looked terrible.

The average weight gain in college is between 20-30 pounds. Kids who grow into DT's in college are normally 270+ when they leave high school. (i.e. McIntosh) A kid like Ford, for example, is going to grow into a prototype DT.

All you people talking about a 240lb kid growing into a DT are out of your mind. DJ is skinny as ****. At 6'4"+ he'd need to gain a minimum of 50lbs to be ideal. And sorry to tell you, but he ain't putting on 50 pounds of muscle. Not gonna happen.

 

[gogeta4]

What is the obsession with sliding everybody inside?

And why does everybody think that kids gain an easy 40 pounds in college? That almost never happens.
Did you MF's not see what Golden did to some of our kids? How he ruined Chickillo by making him go from a 245lb 4-3 DE to a 287lb 3-4 DE? The kid looked terrible.

The average weight gain in college is between 20-30 pounds. Kids who grow into DT's in college are normally 270+ when they leave high school. (i.e. McIntosh) A kid like Ford, for example, is going to grow into a prototype DT.

All you people talking about a 240lb kid growing into a DT are out of your mind. DJ is skinny as ****. At 6'4"+ he'd need to gain a minimum of 50lbs to be ideal. And sorry to tell you, but he ain't putting on 50 pounds of muscle. Not gonna happen.

Nope u can do it on Madden so its a must.

Theyve been pencilling Bethel there from he signed....He isnt even that strong at DE..but apparently he will hold up at dt at major fotball at 250.

 

[Bennubird]

I see some of you like to argue for the sake of arguing, but DJ's coach, as in Diaz, says he's going to be a DE, even if he gets to be a big DE.

 

[ben]

If DJ can put 80 pounds on I would be interested in seeing him at guard

 

[5XNC]

Sorry I don't see us losing 3 jrs early to the NFL.

 

[Canesfan1899]

We really need to add 3-4 DTS next cycle.

Bethel inside could work. I liked what I saw from him the little he played this season

Remember that there was some smoke about Glen Logan transfering from LSU. If that happens we may only need 2 DTs in the next cycle.

 

[brock]

What is the obsession with sliding everybody inside?

And why does everybody think that kids gain an easy 40 pounds in college? That almost never happens.
Did you MF's not see what Golden did to some of our kids? How he ruined Chickillo by making him go from a 245lb 4-3 DE to a 287lb 3-4 DE? The kid looked terrible.

The average weight gain in college is between 20-30 pounds. Kids who grow into DT's in college are normally 270+ when they leave high school. (i.e. McIntosh) A kid like Ford, for example, is going to grow into a prototype DT.

All you people talking about a 240lb kid growing into a DT are out of your mind. DJ is skinny as ****. At 6'4"+ he'd need to gain a minimum of 50lbs to be ideal. And sorry to tell you, but he ain't putting on 50 pounds of muscle. Not gonna happen.

Not saying he should but in kools scheme he like athletic defensive lineman who are interchangeable at both positions. Regardless dj Johnson is definitely not skinny. He was bigger than every defensive end in his under armour dline group and that includes klavon chaisson and markevious bryant

https://twitter.com/king_dj01/status/825770398931226625

 

[caneinpsl]

Any consideration to moving Fines back to DT for depth purposes long term?