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TheMatador said:
Go read John Lott. He's done a lot of research and would disagree with you about causation. In fact, gun violence in Britain was even lower before their gun laws.


Isn't AR-15 semi-automatic as are many hunting rifles? It's designed to look military, though.
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*******s.

Nobody gets shot in the UK these days. It's incredibly difficult to get your hands on a gun.
 
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Fact: In the first 24 days of 2015, police in the US fatally shot more people than police did in England and Wales, combined, over the past 24 years.

Just four people were shot dead by British police in 2016, compared with 957 in the US
 
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Map of 46,000 shooting incidents from Jan 2017 to October 2017.
 
CaneFan79 said:
You know it is not hard in 2018 to do a modicum of research:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15

The Air Force used it to replace M2 Carbines...I remember carrying those early built, no bolt assist, three prong flash hider models back in the 80s.
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The shooter was probably using the civilian derivative which was called the Colt AR-15. The latter is semi-automatic. I'm not sure that it is same as the armalite to which you link. Note that that the Colt patent has expired and that there are many knockoffs for civilian purchase, including a hunting version. I'm not sure these are considered assault weapons. Someone has said the same damage could have been accomplished with a semi-automatic pistol.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15

It will be very tough to remove these from circulation. There must be millions in circulation. Again, we are not Europe, we have the heritage of a large frontier and guns were part of conquering the wilderness (and yes, in some cases the indigenous population). I don't know of a single European country that had the conquest of a wild frontier as part of its recent history (i.e., last 200-300 years).

We could try to ban ammunition but that will be difficult too. I think these guns use standard ammunition there will be resistance from good people who have guns, will not give them up easily, and don't shoot up schools. Some are hunters, some keep guns for protection. I don't share their passion, and don't agree with them necessarily, but they are not "rednecks" or bad people. A friend of mine, a ****** girl from Long Island had a gun. She happened to have been former CIA ops (stationed in Moscow embassy) and later DEA (worked drug cartels in Latin America). I don't know why she wouldn't give up her gun after she left the DEA but she wouldn't. People seem to become attached to them

I guess it's easy to confuse consumer AR-15 with military assault weapons. I'm not sure the Colt consumer version (or the many knockoffs) are considered assault weapons.
 
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CFLCane said:
Fact: In the first 24 days of 2015, police in the US fatally shot more people than police did in England and Wales, combined, over the past 24 years.

Just four people were shot dead by British police in 2016, compared with 957 in the US
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Maybe there are more people endangering police officers in the U.S.
 
CFLCane said:
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Map of 46,000 shooting incidents from Jan 2017 to October 2017.
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A lot of gun injuries are self-inflicted, from what I've heard. Not all of these incidents are the same. Some might be accidents. Some might be urban drug-related violence. There seem to be a lot of retributive shootings here in the D.C. area, I often see or hear the statement, "drug deal gone bad."
 
Cane Fan 4 Life said:
Gun violence and today’s youth DO need to be addressed. Gun laws DO NOT need to be addressed. Bad guys aka the ones responsible for these school shootings will ALWAYS find ways to obtain firearms (burglaries, stealing them from idiots who leave them in their cars, etc)
Making it harder to for good citizens to obtain them isn’t the answer.
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Feel however you want about gun control, but this is nonsense. It's a **** argument blindly propagated by the dim, disproved by the gun violence rates in countries with stricter gun control laws. When you take the convenience out of crime, crime rates decrease.

If an assault rifle was more difficult to obtain, maybe that sad little ****wit cuts his inner thigh a few extra times instead of mowing down dozens of innocent teenagers.
 
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TheMatador said:
A lot of gun injuries are self-inflicted, from what I've heard. Not all of these incidents are the same. Some might be accidents. Some might be urban drug-related violence. There seem to be a lot of retributive shootings here in the D.C. area, I often see or hear the statement, "drug deal gone bad."
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The ability to buy a gun without sufficient education on proper handling, storage, safety, and training is an issue. Would you like to keep going?
 
Texxcane said:
Frosty thats a good idea but what do you do about the 10 billion guns already out there, you think people will just up and turn in their serial numbers on all their guns, not likely
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I’m not sure honestly. I don’t think there’s much you can do. But I we need to start somewhere. Maybe offer free first year registrations just so you can try to get the honest gun owners to register theirs? I think anything more than a 5 shot clip should be banned from being manufactured. If you start talking about going into homes you will never get anywhere. So you need to start small. But we can’t continue to bury our heads in the sand on this issue.
 
CFLCane said:
Correct. More guns more violence. Simple math.
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Not denying that. Who are the people endangering police officers...there seem to be police officers dying around the constantly. Who's doing this? How are you going to get their guns? Gun controls might be too late. When somebody sells a gun to somebody else in the Baltimore or D C. hood does seller say, Yo! You gotta show me your background check papers first!"
 
CFLCane said:
The ability to buy a gun without sufficient education on proper handling, storage, safety, and training is an issue. Would you like to keep going?
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Keep going? What do you mean? Do inner city drug dealers go to gun class first? Let's round 'em up and say no more drug-related shootings 'til you go gun safety class!
 
CFLCane said:
One week youre standing for anthem to respect the troops, the next week you're buying armor piercing rounds to fight off their impending invasion. Mental illness^
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My comment was kinda tongue in the cheek, because it doesn't happen like that. The end game is not a conventional war to subjugate the populace. But a slow methodical disarming so that when the time comes its not needed. We currently reside in the 4th of 5 regimes: democracy. I'd like to stave off the inevitable 5th (tyranny) as long as possible.
 
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An interesting question: how many shootings are thwarted by responsible users with their own guns? Was it the Texas church shooting that was stopped by a responsible citizen using his own AR-15?

As I hear defenders of responsible firearm ownership talk. I'm thinking maybe I should go to a range, study responsible gun ownership and usage, and buy my own. There could be an upside to responsible ownership. I never have owned, have not fired one since summer camp riflery during my elementary school years.

Sometimes guns save lives of good people.

Also, when you talk about Europe, I have learned that firearm ownership is universal in Switzerland. It fact, it might have been compulsory. That's how they deterred larger European powers from overrunning their country.
 
TheMatador said:
Not denying that. Who are the people endangering police officers...there seem to be police officers dying around the constantly. Who's doing this? How are you going to get their guns? Gun controls might be too late. When somebody sells a gun to somebody else in the Baltimore or D C. hood does seller say, Yo! You gotta show me your background check papers first!"
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Step 1 Close gun show loopholes.
Step 2 Offer no questions asked gun buyback programs. These are widely popular for people who have inherited guns they don't even know how to use and do not store properly. Or for people who just don't want guns in their home. A radio station in my hometown runs an event called kicks for guns and gives away free shoes for any weapon turned in. They've collected over 10,000 unwanted firearms already.
Step 3 Mandatory gun registration 5 year grace period. No cost.
Step 4 Severe penalties for anyone being caught with an unregistered weapon.

These are not radical burdens placed on law abiding citizens. These are all common sense solutions. Even if all these steps saved 5% of gun suicides/homicides a year that's 1600 lives. We've spent trillions of dollars, 17 years, and tens of thousands of lives avenging the 2000+ twin tower deaths yet we do nothing about gun violence at home but pray.
 
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we protect our govt buildings and federal reserve banks with armed guards and metal detectors.

Why can’t we protect our children as well as we protect our politicians and money?

(Lifted from Austin Peterson. Sort of)
 
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