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calinative umstudent said:
So direct donations to candidates is the only factor in this? are you really this stupid?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/oct/11/counting-up-how-much-nra-spends/

Secondly It clearly doesn't take much actual cash to by POS members of congress off
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/nra-donations/?utm_term=.d3d4e31bd634
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No I am not "this stupid." In fact if you actually took more than 5 seconds to read what I wrote, I specifically addressed their independent spending. YOU were the one who specifically claimed candidates are "literally being bought by the NRA", despite that having no real basis in reality. I don't know what they are teaching you at UM, but when I hear someone claim candidates are literally being bought, one would think looking at direct donations to candidates would be a wise metric to look out.

Most of the candidates you listed are getting a couple grand in contributions per year on average. Certainly not pocket change, but hardly earth shattering amounts and hardly the only independent organization, regardless of political affiliation, that is contributing heavily to candidates. Calling me stupid doesn't change that, you angry little guy.
 
Poptimus said:
You're right. An AR-15 is not an automatic weapon.

It is, however, an assault rifle designed to deliver fatal wounds to multiple individuals within a short time period; it has no other purpose. The AR-15, the civilian version of the military assault rifle (M16 or M4), has become the most commonly used rifle in US mass shootings. We can get into a discussion of semantics or the underlying root problem.
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It's not semantics, it was the whole premise of your initial argument. You asserted that there is no need for anyone to own automatic weapons, implying that a sensible ban on something like automatic weapons would curb this continuous stream of tragic shootings and could have changed what happened yesterday. An AR-15 isn't an automatic weapon, and as stated, a blanket ban already exists on those types of weapons. If you want to make the argument you just shifted to that is fine, but your initial position was completely false.
 
canespimp433 said:
No I am not "this stupid." In fact if you actually took more than 5 seconds to read what I wrote, I specifically addressed their independent spending. YOU were the one who specifically claimed candidates are "literally being bought by the NRA", despite that having no real basis in reality. I don't know what they are teaching you at UM, but when I hear someone claim candidates are literally being bought, one would think looking at direct donations to candidates would be a wise metric to look out.

Most of the candidates you listed are getting a couple grand in contributions per year on average. Certainly not pocket change, but hardly earth shattering amounts and hardly the only independent organization, regardless of political affiliation, that is contributing heavily to candidates. Calling me stupid doesn't change that, you angry little guy.
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I literally linked who is also getting direct contributions.

I'm not saying 25k is a lot of money. But it clearly is enough to buy your own congressman/woman and having them vote in support of the NRA for everything, isn't it.

And what does other organizations paying off these people to vote for them have do to with anything? I'm not saying its okay that thats happening. I'm saying the NRA literally owns many congressmen/womens votes on the matter and they literally are the reason there has been no progress. That is a fact. You tried to argue it. I gave you 2 articles showing you were being a dumbass. Now your argument is essentially "well 20k is pocket change, and other groups donate too". lol classic.
 
frostycane said:
I live in Vermont, I believe we have the highest or one of the highest guns per person rate. However, we have one of the lowest rates of gun violence. It points me to this. I think we need a better tracking system for guns in this country. Every gun, like cars or dogs, should be registered annually. If you do not register it they come asking for either a bill of sale, or they fine you. (Or something along those lines.) To me the biggest issue is not the people buying the guns its where they go after that. There is no way of knowing and that has to change.

I also think that like cars you should have to pass Hunter Safety course in order to buy or register a Gun. Again, just prove that you know how to use it, care for it and that you have at least some what been taught how to shoot it. I feel like these would be a couple of beginning measures we could take to at least begin the process of what a safer America could or would look like.

Fact is, if there is someone at your door with a gun and bad intentions there just isn't much you can do about it. But we have to act at some point and we have to be very direct with what we need done and not just knee jerk because of one instance.
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Frosty thats a good idea but what do you do about the 10 billion guns already out there, you think people will just up and turn in their serial numbers on all their guns, not likely
 
Gun violence is a necessary evil of the 2A. Death is part of life, but when it comes so grotesquely - or its our children screaming in a school as they're gunned down it hits our emotions, and our rational faculties.

Doctors kill thousands of times more people than AR15's, but we weigh the good and bad and decide medical care is worth the carnage. Our founders decided the 2A was worth it. Hence the reason they enshrined it into the Bill of Rights.
 
calinative umstudent said:
I literally linked who is also getting direct contributions.

I'm not saying 25k is a lot of money. But it clearly is enough to buy your own congressman/woman and having them vote in support of the NRA for everything, isn't it.

And what does other organizations paying off these people to vote for them have do to with anything? I'm not saying its okay that thats happening. I'm saying the NRA literally owns many congressmen/womens votes on the matter and they literally are the reason there has been no progress. That is a fact. You tried to argue it. I gave you 2 articles showing you were being a dumbass. Now your argument is essentially "well 20k is pocket change, and other groups donate too". lol classic.
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calinative umstudent said:
I literally linked who is also getting direct contributions.

I'm not saying 25k is a lot of money. But it clearly is enough to buy your own congressman/woman and having them vote in support of the NRA for everything, isn't it.

And what does other organizations paying off these people to vote for them have do to with anything? I'm not saying its okay that thats happening. I'm saying the NRA literally owns many congressmen/womens votes on the matter and they literally are the reason there has been no progress. That is a fact. You tried to argue it. I gave you 2 articles showing you were being a dumbass. Now your argument is essentially "well 20k is pocket change, and other groups donate too". lol classic.
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"Literally owns", 20k, no 25k, "I'm not saying 25k is a lot," "It doesn't take a lot to by POS members of congress." You're all over the place and regurgitating nonsensical cliches. The situation we are seeing with mass shooting over the last decade plus is extremely complex and it's irresponsible to boil it down to blaming the NRA/Congress or trying to falsely claim that banning AR-15's on the grounds of it being an automatic weapon as your other cohort did is irresponsible and simple-minded. Try to actually think critically and delve deeper into issues, otherwise you're just wasting your parents money at UM.
 
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jthomps123 said:
And yet hammers and ladders will kill more Americans this year than rifles, and handguns will kill 100x times more Americans than rifles.
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this is actually pretty damm accurate, but know one wants to hear it. I saw a deal the FBI put out that showed that more people are killed with knifes than AR's in America, so why the **** even have this argument ??
 
Mcanes305 said:
To everyone who wants to ban guns, are you truly ok living in a society where the government has a monopoly on all weapons........slow down and think that through.
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Yeah that is what stopping the government from taking over. They are scared to death that their tanks, training, equipment etc are not strong enough to stop some dumb hick, thank you Billy Bob and Mary Lou
 
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x_y_no said:
Well he's wearing a MAGA hat on his instagram so I'll agree he hates America, but he ain't no Democrat or member of Antifa.
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Ignore Zrod just some dumb **** that claims to have gotten accepted into Harvard but declined to pursue a career in scouting FB players on CFB websites.
 
jthomps123 said:
Gun violence is a necessary evil of the 2A. Death is part of life, but when it comes so grotesquely - or its our children screaming in a school as they're gunned down it hits our emotions, and our rational faculties.

Doctors kill thousands of times more people than AR15's, but we weigh the good and bad and decide medical care is worth the carnage. Our founders decided the 2A was worth it. Hence the reason they enshrined it into the Bill of Rights.
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What you saw yesterday was not a necessary evil. That's ridiculous. But I believe there are ways to prevent what we saw yesterday without resorting to cries of "ban guns."
 
canespimp433 said:
What you saw yesterday was not a necessary evil. That's ridiculous. But I believe there are ways to prevent what we saw yesterday without resorting to cries of "ban guns."
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Lets hear you idea. Since you are from the WEZ, I like to hear from a libertarian
 
King Slayer said:
Yeah that is what stopping the government from taking over. They are scared to death that their tanks, training, equipment etc are not strong enough to stop some dumb hick,
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Tell that to the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan who were quite a handful for mightiest military in the world. You'd be surprised what an armed and desperate group can accomplish.
 
King Slayer said:
Ignore Zrod just some dumb **** that claims to have gotten accepted into Harvard but declined to pursue a career in scouting FB players on CFB websites.
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I’ve never said any of that.
 
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Texxcane said:
this is actually pretty damm accurate, but know one wants to hear it. I saw a deal the FBI put out that showed that more people are killed with knifes than AR's in America, so why the **** even have this argument ??
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This is such a flawed perspective. Giving people more varieties of ways to kill and kill MORE EFFICIENTLY is f'n stupid. Why don't we just pass out hand grenades and RPG's while we're at it.
 
So he was a white supremacist Trumpster and looks Cuban, not surprising, Cubans have a lot of self-hate.
 
jthomps123 said:
Tell that to the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan who were quite a handful for mightiest military in the world. You'd be surprised what an armed and desperate group can accomplish.
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One week youre standing for anthem to respect the troops, the next week you're buying armor piercing rounds to fight off their impending invasion. Mental illness^
 
brock said:
This is crazy man smh, gun violence and gun laws need to be addressed ASAP..
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Gtfooh..... you gonna ban water cause people drown? What about cars? I mean there are more deaths by a scalpel at the hands of an abortionists? Where ya at Brockoli!
 
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