OT: Mass Shooting at Douglas High School

[x_y_no]

1) I was working South Broward yesterday so I was nowhere near to responding unless the injured went up to FLL airport level.

2) You guys are hilarious. You guys have no idea that the FBI/CSPD were warned about this, you guys have no idea the kid was a **** ton of psych problems and was sent to a specific psychiatric school, you guys have no idea that this kid was a communist and a registered Democrat who hated America, you guys have no idea that he didn’t even live with a parent because his mom died in November(very common trigger point) and was living with “foster” parents(only in parenthesis because he’s 19). Stop blaming a inanimate object in a gun for negligence to deal with a problem because we refuse to treat it. How much do you guys wanna beat he was apart of Antifa? It’ll explain how a 19 y/o got an AR -15. Anti-gun nuts just a little FYI, an AR-15 has the same fire rate as your average pistol because it’s semi automatic and I believe it only has a 20 round magazine...he would’ve been able to do the same amount damage with a pistol that he did with an AR-15. Please don’t come at me with “it’s an assault rifle” because an assault rifle doesn’t exist. Assault is an action...a verb, not a type of rifle.

Well he's wearing a MAGA hat on his instagram so I'll agree he hates America, but he ain't no Democrat or member of Antifa.

 

[Canefam]

If the nut job did not have a gun, he would have used a "truck" or something else like they are doing in Europe...

 

[pacusmc]

He shot them up close and personal. Range matters of course...that’s the difference but in this case it wouldn’t have.

Rather get shot with a 9mm then a 5.56. I’ve worked trauma. Plenty of survivors with 9mm to the torso. 556 and 7.62 count your blessings. I’m for people owning guns. And i don’t think it’s fair to say we are going to take guns away from people when criminals are out gunning civilians. And also there is a huge lack of mental illness care. But we need to do something about the availability and the ease of transfer of some weapons.
Napoleon said people care more about their interests than theirr rights. A lot of these gun shows are not about right guys but about interests.

 

[x_y_no]

If the nut job did not have a gun, he would have used a "truck" or something else like they are doing in Europe...

Yeah, no point mitigating any risk if we can't mitigate every risk, right?

 

[Zbrod95]

Rather get shot with a 9mm then a 5.56. I’ve worked trauma. Plenty of survivors with 9mm to the torso. 556 and 7.62 count your blessings. I’m for people owning guns. And i don’t think it’s fair to say we are going to take guns away from people when criminals are out gunning civilians. And also there is a huge lack of mental illness care. But we need to do something about the availability and the ease of transfer of some weapons.
Napoleon said people care more about their interests than theirr rights. A lot of these gun shows are not about right guys but about interests.

I work trauma as we speak as well. From where he shot them from(at least from my understanding) it wouldn’t have made a difference. My whole thing here isn’t saying the law is fine but more laughing at the anti gun nuts screamingly to take weapons away. No mention of the ineptitude of the FBI, no mention of how this kid wasn’t mandated to be in a psych ward, just people screaming “guns are bad!”

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

I work trauma as we speak as well. From where he shot them from(at least from my understanding) it wouldn’t have made a difference. My whole thing here isn’t saying the law is fine but more laughing at the anti gun nuts screamingly to take weapons away.

But you weren’t laughing at anyone, you were actively pushing political agenda-driven lies to divert from the issue of gun violence and gun control (not many arguments in thread about eliminating guns altogether...another one of your lies). You are just as culpable as the person who fabricated the false political profile. And now you’re lying about it, again. Not surprised; you don’t have the decency to do the right thing and cop to a “my bad”, but you’ve been exposed as a zealot.

 

[Canefam]

Yeah, no point mitigating any risk if we can't mitigate every risk, right?

Yeah, lets get rid of every vehicle in America as well...

 

[UMAlum21]

It should be completely obvious to EVERYONE the NRA is literally buying politicians into voting in their favor on anything having to do with guns, and that is the ONLY reason we haven't got **** done about this epidemic.

A quick google search shows the NRA was barely in the top 500 of organizations that donated directly to candidates in 2016. They spend a **** load on independent advertising/etc (buying independent ad spots to promote their interests, etc), but your assertion that they are "literally buying candidates" is untrue and does nothing to advance the conversation. I don't own a weapon nor do I have any connection to their organization, but dishonest/uninformed assertions like the one you made (and frequently make) do nothing to fix problems or advance discussions.

 

[Zbrod95]

A quick google search shows the NRA was barely in the top 500 of organizations that donated directly to candidates in 2016. They spend a **** load on independent advertising/etc (buying independent ad spots to promote their interests, etc), but your assertion that they are "literally buying candidates" is untrue and does nothing to advance the conversation. I don't own a weapon nor do I have any connection to their organization, but dishonest/uninformed assertions like the one you made (and frequently make) do nothing to fix problems or advance discussions.

Shhhhhhhh!! That goes against their agenda.

 

[Poptimus]

Honest, rational discussions are needed to advance society and discussion about the causes of gun violence in this country certainly fit that bill. That said, it detracts from the legitimacy of these conversations when people (whether intentionally to promote a political agenda or just out of pure naivety and lack of awareness) tout falsehoods as fact. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't being dishonest and are just uneducated on the subject.

An AR-15 is not an automatic weapon. It fires a single round per trigger pull. Automatic weapons are highly federally regulated and almost impossible to receive a license for, and if you manage that it's expensive as ****. We're talking tens of thousands of dollars.

You're right. An AR-15 is not an automatic weapon.

It is, however, an assault rifle designed to deliver fatal wounds to multiple individuals within a short time period; it has no other purpose. The AR-15, the civilian version of the military assault rifle (M16 or M4), has become the most commonly used rifle in US mass shootings. We can get into a discussion of semantics or the underlying root problem.

 

[Suhrthing]

Stop the BS for God's sake! The NRA is not the least concerned about 2nd Amendment! Their interest is selling guns to "whoever" wants them and do so by abolishing any reasonable restrictions or laws. Law abiding gun enthusiast and persons seeking protection are only part of their sales. What they don't admit is that by removing reasonable laws, gun dealers can sell guns to people without knowing who or where these guns will end up. Our legislators, law enforcement and the nra knows these guns are re-sold to criminals and criminals organizations, which make up a larger percentage of their sales than to so called good people. The US has evolved into a murderous society of gun toting and supporting neanderthals who are willing to continue support proliferating our society with guns with all the deaths to the contrary. Pulse, Vegas, Texas church and Douglass. Hand Guns and paramilitary weapons are made for one purpose and one purpose only.....TO KILL Human Beings! We know and continue to see that there are people who will use them for what they are intended. Good Bless the Dead.

The NRA is a non-profit 501c3, they do not sell firearms; and yes, they are very concerned with the second amendment.

 

[Suhrthing]

You're right. An AR-15 is not an automatic weapon.

It is, however, an assault rifle designed to deliver fatal wounds to multiple individuals within a short time period; it has no other purpose. The AR-15, the civilian version of the military assault rifle (M16 or M4), has become the most commonly used rifle in US mass shootings. We can get into a discussion of semantics or the underlying root problem.

I would agree that it is the most commonly used, but as the VT massacre showed - it is absolutely not a prerequisite to mayhem. If not evil black rifles, it will be evil hunting rifles used. AR15's might be a correlation - but its not a causation. It is NOT the 'root problem' as you put it.

 

[Calinative]

A quick google search shows the NRA was barely in the top 500 of organizations that donated directly to candidates in 2016. They spend a **** load on independent advertising/etc (buying independent ad spots to promote their interests, etc), but your assertion that they are "literally buying candidates" is untrue and does nothing to advance the conversation. I don't own a weapon nor do I have any connection to their organization, but dishonest/uninformed assertions like the one you made (and frequently make) do nothing to fix problems or advance discussions.

So direct donations to candidates is the only factor in this? are you really this stupid?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/oct/11/counting-up-how-much-nra-spends/

If you add it all up -- candidate and party contributions, independent expenditures, and lobbying -- the NRA has spent $203.2 million on political activities since 1998.

Secondly It clearly doesn't take much actual cash to by POS members of congress off
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/nra-donations/?utm_term=.d3d4e31bd634

 

[Unsider]

I want to take this step by step because I legitimately want to find common ground here but we first have to at least agree on what exactly we're talking about so that we're on the same playing feild. So first I have two questions.

#1. I'm assuming that when you say "our deeds" you mean what the American people want right? What is it that you believe the American people want?

#2. What is your definition of the gun lobby?



That's already the case unless you're talking about legal face to face transfers, which we can certainly debate.



What kinds of social media behaviors, medical conditions, and/or criminal history in your opinion would be grounds to deny someone a firearm?

I think my points speak for themselves, any more elaboration would be redundant and pointing out the obvious.

I’ll let others add their points.

Thanks though for reading my points.

 

[Calinative]

You're right. An AR-15 is not an automatic weapon.

It is, however, an assault rifle designed to deliver fatal wounds to multiple individuals within a short time period; it has no other purpose. The AR-15, the civilian version of the military assault rifle (M16 or M4), has become the most commonly used rifle in US mass shootings. We can get into a discussion of semantics or the underlying root problem.

Also

 

[Zbrod95]

But you weren’t laughing at anyone, you were actively pushing political agenda-driven lies to divert from the issue of gun violence and gun control (not many arguments in thread about eliminating guns altogether...another one of your lies). You are just as culpable as the person who fabricated the false political profile. And now you’re lying about it, again. Not surprised; you don’t have the decency to do the right thing and cop to a “my bad”, but you’ve been exposed as a zealot.

Decency? You just used a funny emoji in a post about the shooter. If you had any decency you wouldn’t find any of this funny. Oh and spare me the “oh I have more decency than you” because you’ve done nothing but parade yourself on this board as a pompous jerk since you joined and wouldn’t fool anyone.

 

[Zbrod95]

Also

Bolt action rifle in the picture of an AR-15 article. Classic...

 

[Texxcane]

WE should immediately pass a law that makes it illegal to hurt people. We could also have a second law that says if you kill them you get punished more. Hey we could also pass a law that says you can't take a gun to ANY school whether you hurt someone or not. THAT WOULD CERTAINLY STOP THIS BS!!!!!*






*For those casual readers the above is sarcastic in that it suggests that the "simple" "reasonable" solutions offered by politicians are a waste of time. For the entire history of human-kind some have hurt others. Whether they used rocks, knives, hammers, or muskets they have all acted against social norms. In addition, after societies formed governments, everyone has passed prohibitions against harming others, yet those laws have been ineffective. Even where the penalty is death of the criminal, some will still harm others. As long some will harm others, they will find weapons to help them-such as cars and trucks by ISIS. Guns have existed for well over 100 years and will continue to exist even if banned-see France where dozens were shot in an illegal shooting. The problem is the people. Bad people do bad things. I have taught my children to lessen the risk of encountering bad people by not frequenting locations that they favor and to be prepared to defend themselves.

nice post and very accurate Flyfisher, I sure dont know the answer, here in Texas there are guns everywhere, you can drive around with a loaded AR in the passenger seat. I do know this, if a person really wants to do something like this i dont think it can be stopped, one politician said put a fence around the schools, that would not work either. I agree with those that say we need to go UPSTREAM, meaning it starts at home with parents. I just wonder, to my first point, can someone explain a way this could have been stopped. Remember that Clint Eastwood/John Makovic movie, he said its easy to kill the president, all you have to do is be willing to trade your life for his. That is very true, most people that do this have already figured their gonna die, this is why terrorist are so hard to deal with, it is definitely mental.

 

[Suhrthing]

Also

And yet hammers and ladders will kill more Americans this year than rifles, and handguns will kill 100x times more Americans than rifles.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Decency? You just used a funny emoji in a post about the shooter. If you had any decency you wouldn’t find any of this funny. Oh and spare me the “oh I have more decency than you” because you’ve done nothing but parade yourself on this board as a pompous jerk since you joined and wouldn’t fool anyone.

I figured your comment about ignoring me was also a lie. I was right. And now you seek sympathy, camaraderie and solidarity from like-minded jerks like yourself...

You pushed false profiles. Made up arguments and then lied about them.

Please show that he was a Democrat, liberal or part of Antifa.
Please show that England and Germany have twice the murder rates and mass fatalities.

I’ll be waiting.