OT: Mass Shooting at Douglas High School

[CaneFan79]

https://www.google.com/maps/@26.304...4!1sbv0UN2O7JX6ixbXmw3n05A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Take a look at the linked picture.

It looks like there was no system to alert the School Resource Officer or adminstration that a security door has been wedged open...I would not be surprised if there other safeguards the shooter knew were easily defeateble or already inop.

 

[Lokest]

And yet, guns are much harder to get today than they were back in the 1920's all the way up to the 1980's, when school shootings were basically unheard of.

Why is that?

I do agree that there is a cultural aspect that can't be ignored, but don't just forget that guys like charles whitman existed. Also don't discount the fact that there's more than 3x the number of guns since back then.

Edit: also factor in the number of people

 

[CFLCane]

You might not like the argument, but it's still true.

Lee Harvey Oswald ordered the rifle he used to kill Kennedy in the mail. He used a fake name. It was delivered in a box to his front door. You can't do that anymore... if you buy a gun online, you have to pick it up at a gun store, who have to run your ID.

The mobsters of the past used chain guns and machine guns. They also ordered these by mail. Automatic weapons have been illegal since the 80's, and, again, you can't order guns to your front door anymore.

So yes, guns are harder to get today than they used to be... yet we have far more violence today. Why is that?

But you can still go any gun show and buy dozens of unregistered weapons with fake credentials and sell them to anyone without a paper trail. It's going to be real fun when people can make reusable 3d printed guns on a mass scale. Tracer rounds, armor piercing, no problem this America land of the so free you have to carry a firearm to a daycare.

 

[Cane Fan 4 Life]

It might prevent some shootings. Yet you do nothing because you would rather 1300 kids a year die by gun violence than it be slightly harder to acquire a legally purchased weapon.

I don’t want any kids to die PERIOD. I’ve had to participate in active shooter training for the last 4 years.
Take for an account the police officers who respond to these incidents and are only equipped with a handgun. No shotguns, no AR, and a vest that won’t protect against the weaponry the suspects are using.
Don’t have time l wait on backup or SWAT when you respond to these ****** situations

 

[Cane Fan 4 Life]

But you can still go any gun show and buy dozens of unregistered weapons with fake credentials and sell them to anyone without a paper trail. It's going to be real fun when people can make reusable 3d printed guns on a mass scale. Tracer rounds, armor piercing, no problem this America land of the so free you have to carry a firearm to a daycare.

Convicted Felons just get their girlfriends or friends to buy firearms for them, it’s not complicated.

 

[CFLCane]

I don’t want any kids to die PERIOD. I’ve had to participate in active shooter training for the last 4 years.
Take for an account the police officers who respond to these incidents and are only equipped with a handgun. No shotguns, no AR, and a vest that won’t protect against the weaponry the suspects are using.
Don’t have time l wait on backup or SWAT when you respond to these ****** situations

You're making an argument for the restrictions of what type of weapons unarmed civilians should be able to buy. Pretty soon we'll have armed guards with m4's on every corner like we're f'n bolivia just so people can have the "freedom" to buy any type of gun they wish.

 

[CFLCane]

The main argument for unfettered gun access for everyone is to protect ones family and for the people to protect themselves against tyranny. Yet half of you are arguing for putting armed guards on nearly public service. How do you not see the hypocrisy in this? Armed guards on every corner is the closest thing to tyranny we'll ever see.

Do people really believe the armed forces they cherish so much and stand for during the anthem will go door to door to take their guns? Is this the f'n twilight zone?

 

[Cane Fan 4 Life]

You're making an argument for the restrictions of what type of weapons unarmed civilians should be able to buy. Pretty soon we'll have armed guards with m4's on every corner like we're f'n bolivia just so people can have the "freedom" to buy any type of gun they wish.

I seriously think you have reading comprehension issues. I made no argument stating anything about restricting what kind of weapons citizens could buy.
Even with heavily armed police responding to these incidents, it wouldn’t prevent these school shooting incidents and it would definitely not be socially acceptable for every officer to be equipped with AR-15s and looking like the military.

 

[CFLCane]

I seriously think you have reading comprehension issues. I made no argument stating anything about restricting what kind of weapons citizens could buy.
Even with heavily armed police responding to these incidents, it wouldn’t precent these school issues and it would definitely not be socially acceptable for every officer to be equipped with AR-15s and looking like the military.

What did i misinterpret here

"he police officers who respond to these incidents and are only equipped with a handgun and a vest that won’t protect against the weaponry the suspects are using"

You just said that police are outgunned.

So you believe it's socially acceptable for citizens to own high power weaponry just not policeman.

 

[pacusmc]

There are crazy people all over the world. But we have the most school shootings and public massacres. I’m a gun owner and former military but something has to happen.

 

[CFLCane]

• Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., said Cruz wore a gas mask, had smoke grenades and set off the fire alarm before opening fire at the school.

• Israel said that an "AR-15-style weapon" and multiple magazines were recovered at the scene.

 

[CFLCane]

https://splinternews.com/every-member-of-congress-who-took-money-from-the-nra-an-1819059582

Every Member of Congress Who Took Money From the NRA and Tweeted 'Thoughts and Prayers' to Las Vegas

 

[Tad Footeball]

Broward County Public Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said "multiple fatalities" have been reported. "It's a horrific situation. It's just a horrible day for us," he said. "...This is a day we prayed would never happen in our county." He said every high school in the county has a police presence, adding there are typically two officers at every school.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...after-shooting-florida-high-school/338217002/

I saw that. You have to question the training/effectiveness then. For this much destruction to have happened AND the shooter makes it away and off campus would signify a problem with their response times/abilities. Not to mention this school is being described as an "open" campus. I'm sure suburnanites like to think their schools can be kept like that....until something like this happens.

 

[Cane Fan 4 Life]

Gotta wonder why we just don't have at least one well trained armed "school resource officer" at all schools? It won't stop these but it also might prevent mass casualties and/or allowing so much time that the shooter can make it all the way off campus after one of these. And it's not a budgetary issue because you don't see a traffic stop (at least in South Florida) now where no less than 2 squad cars have to show up.

I support this idea, but I don’t think the money isn’t there. Educators jobs are cut annually, especially ones that teach electives. Unfortunately, City or county officials wouldn’t pay to have an officer at every school. Most I know in Savannah have several schools they float between. It would be very expensive to have an officer at every public elementary, middle, high school and the alternative/art schools.
In my area it would require about 60 more officers and our police department is budgeted for approximately 560 officers.

 

[Poptimus]

I was told by a couple former classmates of mine (c/o 2000) that when they visited Stoneman Douglas a few months ago, they had to present ID at the front reception area of the school and the only entrance is the front entrance. The school locks all other areas to prevent people from accessing the school (and prevent students from skipping school). This guy probably got inside because he is only 18 and looks like a current student when the rules in place are designed to prevent adults coming onto campus. Back when I was a student anyone could just walk off to the parking lot by where the football field is and anyone could just walk onto campus, too. To think the school actively thought out a plan to prevent **** and then this happens is unconscionable. Prayers to all the kids and their families at MSD.

 

[Tad Footeball]

I support this idea, but I don’t think the money isn’t there. Educators jobs are cut annually, especially ones that teach electives. Unfortunately, City or county officials wouldn’t pay to have an officer at every school. Most I know in Savannah have several schools they float between. It would be very expensive to have an officer at every public elementary, middle, high school and the alternative/art schools.
In my area it would require about 60 more officers and our police department is budgeted for approximately 560 officers.

Federal funding? Tailor it to veterans?

Like I said before, it's not a solution and apparently there were armed officers at this school but at least it'd seemingly be a universal start while we have the other same old debates after each one of these.

Also, if you're a parent and your kid is enough of a wackjob that he's already been expelled from high school or looks/acts like a maniac (like the Sandy Hook shooter) then set aside your effing denial and maybe don't allow a gun hobby? Maybe monitor their activity on the interwebs a little more?

 

[DC1986]

All countries have serious drug issues and this is not happening there. Check out the stats for Europe. Nobody gets shot in England.why? Because if they get caught with a gun your doing 10 to 20 years. Real gun laws. Sorry rednecks I know you love your guns.

Gun laws are working great in Chicago and Mexico. Aren’t schools already gun free zones? Aren’t there already laws against murder? More laws aren’t the answer.

 

[CFLCane]

Gun laws are working great in Chicago and Mexico. Aren’t schools already gun free zones? Aren’t there already laws against murder? More laws aren’t the answer.

This is the argument of NRA bobbleheads^ . Of course localized gun laws don't work. As soon as someone brings up nations with stricter gun laws that DIRECTLY CORRELATE to less deaths you tuck your tail and change the argument. Tell us how free you are when your children and childrens children are cowering under their desks.

 

[CFLCane]

I support this idea, but I don’t think the money isn’t there. Educators jobs are cut annually, especially ones that teach electives. Unfortunately, City or county officials wouldn’t pay to have an officer at every school. Most I know in Savannah have several schools they float between. It would be very expensive to have an officer at every public elementary, middle, high school and the alternative/art schools.
In my area it would require about 60 more officers and our police department is budgeted for approximately 560 officers.

But for 200 dollars you can arm nearly anyone with minimal questions asked. America is in an arms race against itself and we're losing.

 

[GPB]

Gotta wonder why we just don't have at least one well trained armed "school resource officer" at all schools? It won't stop these but it also might prevent mass casualties and/or allowing so much time that the shooter can make it all the way off campus after one of these. And it's not a budgetary issue because you don't see a traffic stop (at least in South Florida) now where no less than 2 squad cars have to show up.

Broward County School Superintendent said today they have two such "school resource officers" at every Broward school. Not sure if they really did at Douglas or if so, what happened.