NBA OT KNICKS vs Heat

ive stated THIS would be the year to tank. But Pat Riley doesnt tank so it would have to be injury or something that causes it. They are also likely to make some moves this off szn.

Me as a Heat fan i would come up off of one of Bam or Herro or tank. But thats me as a fan knowing they arent ever gonna tank. The organization just isnt wired that way at all.
Yeah i would’ve liked two first rounders this year. Whatever though, at least we have next year’s first rounder back in our control

Who do you want at 20? This Cedric Coward cat is intriguing me right now. So is the French big man out of Stanford, Maxime Raynaud. Im also a fan of Hugo Gonzalez who plays for Real Madrid. Think he’s being slept on because he’s a role player on a really good EuroLeague team
 
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The Heat as is are a middle of the pack east team...that could fall anywhere from 4-8 in seedings.

teams they have better futures than to me:
Hawks
Raptors
Bulls
Hornets
Nets
Wizards
76ers

Ill say the Magic as well at 8. And im leaning even toward the pistons but i liked what they showed this year. The Knicks future falls after next szn.

Its the east it changes from year to year the pacers were the 4th seed and are in the finals. Its turbulence in the east.

Depending on what they do in this off szn i still see them as that middle of the pack. Which is why i agree this should be the tank year if they arent grabbing a star.
Bro your dawg VJ may be in the perfect system for him w/ the Hornets. That organization is dysfunctional but their fast-break core, Lamelo/VJ/Miller/Bridges, reminds me of Pacers’ lethal transition game.

They don’t have the Pacers’ defenders or coaching but that’s an interesting mix if Philly passes on him. I think Philly passes on him because Morey loves shooting so they’ll go Ace Bailey, Tre Johnson, or Kon K the Duke kid.
 
The East is wide open with Tatum injured. Durant and Bam can compete like Jimmy and Bam did. The Jimmy/Bam teams didn’t get much from Herro due to injury, so if he’s good that raises the ceiling.

It will depend on if Houston or San Antonio pursue Durant. If they don’t, the Heat make the most sense.
 
The East is wide open with Tatum injured. Durant and Bam can compete like Jimmy and Bam did. The Jimmy/Bam teams didn’t get much from Herro due to injury, so if he’s rolling that raises the ceiling.

It will depend on if Houston or San Antonio pursue Durant. If they don’t, the Heat make the most sense.
Agreed, seen a lot of San Antonio smoke with Durant lately.
 
Knicks are a terribly ran organization lets start there.
There owner is a dumb *** so it starts at the top. They arent better at development either
COACHING is important and they dont have a coach lol

Ok now back to my Heat.

We were in the play in BECAUSE Jimmy Butler gives two sh*ts about the regular szn. He bses it. Pat riley called him AND Tyler Herro out on it...which initially got his pu$$y hurt and in his feelings in the first place because he bs'd and caused us to be in the play in the year before. He was her eto be the driven force and he didnt want to play more than 60 games or play hard in them. Tyler Herro took it an improve and Jimmy well...he Jimmy'd

So im blaming jimmy butler the star on the team AND the org sharing somewhat the blame. But the player is on the court so im more so blaming him.

2.). You mentioned Terry Rozier right?. Do you even know why we have terry rozier or why the trade was made?. Well my friend that leads back to JIMMY BUTLER. Jimmy Butler asked for his boy Kyle Lowry to be brought in. Now im a Um football fan but also a UM BBall slash Villanova Basketball fan more Nova than ums team......KYLE Lowry is NOT a Miami Heat type player that they go for. This was strictly to appease Jimmy. ANd Lowry *** was worse or just as bad as ROZIER. I knew bg boy wasnt a good fit. They had to get off Lowry and thats why they got Rozier who was scoring hollow points on a sh*t team,.

Yea the heat org is ran old school a bit it aint for everybody but i aint ever betting on the knicks organization over the heat man im sorry lol. Thats h*t is about to plateau next szn severly for them. They have to make moves and have no picks to do so or have to lose integral guys to do so.
We were in the play in because the roster is dog ****, jimmy should not have to average playoff jimmy numbers at 34 for us to be a non play in team. We have needed another guy who can consistently create easy offense for themselves and others we neglected that since dragic left.

Too many heat fans blame jimmy instead of the front office for going multiple year with literally zero years and on too often that letting playoff starters walk without correctly replacing them. Hence us getting worse since 22

Exhibit A of us being garbage even with jimmy being super impactful in the regular season look beyond the box score:
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2. You are completely wrong the rozier trade was a spo sponsored move to attempt to make up for us not fully perusing dame the way we should have. We held herro too high and that kept us from upgrading a contending roster when he obviously didn’t fit

You are saying the same old homer heat culture points with the “jimmy asked for Lowry”..As if that was a bad thing lets check, we were the #1 seed in the east when we got lowry when bam jimmy and herro missed alot of games in 2022 he was our only consistent guy. Saying an nba champion and a respected competitor across the league isn’t a heat player is the exact reason we are in the situation. Comparing his impact to rozier when every metric says lineups were better with lowry and significantly worse with terry.

You say lowry isn’t a heat player but herro who never put the team first when we were close to a championship even tho we were literally better without him. He was only focused on his individual success and he’s a heat player right? Exactly what the heat have become, hypocrites. Also calling herro out vs jimmy isn’t similar at all, one has not proven **** when it mattered and one literally had the franchise on his back and led us to our 3rd best era in heat history

We went to the ECF and FINALS with Lowry playing a big role, so tell me why that is looked at as a bad suggestion by jimmy? It’s literally the best move the heat made in that era. The team has gotten worse since lowry was traded. On top of that we traded a first round pick for terry rozier who is terrible and could have been acquired without giving up a first..

Just one of the many bad asset management moves the heat made since lebron left, they could have simply let lowry big contract expire and made moves in free agency to improve instead they got rozier and literally did NOTHING for the 2nd straight year..but jimmy fault right? Hold the FO accountable

And im not betting on the knicks..**** the Knicks, im just keeping it real. They have a brighter future than us right now and have been operating alot better than before . You have to take the heat culture visions off to fully realize bow bad this organization has been for years now but playoff jimmy, bam and spo have willied us to multiple deep playoff runs in spite of the front office doing the BARE MINIMUM.

I love the heat, but i don’t recognize what they have become. They are drunk off heat culture kool aid, they aren’t adapting they are stuck in their ways and are praying and wishing another star falls in their lap like jimmy did. But nowadays u actually have to plan to acquire stars with your assets, you can’t just wait and hope they hit free agency that method is dead

Longest post i ever made but it’s worth the read lol
 
The East is wide open with Tatum injured. Durant and Bam can compete like Jimmy and Bam did. The Jimmy/Bam teams didn’t get much from Herro due to injury, so if he’s good that raises the ceiling.

It will depend on if Houston or San Antonio pursue Durant. If they don’t, the Heat make the most sense.
Dmoney..The heat won 37 games, they are not doing **** with kd herro bam they are far away from contending. Its a 2nd round ceiling at best and not worth trading future assets for an aging star who contract will be up soon
 
Yeah i would’ve liked two first rounders this year. Whatever though, at least we have next year’s first rounder back in our control

Who do you want at 20? This Cedric Coward cat is intriguing me right now. So is the French big man out of Stanford, Maxime Raynaud. Im also a fan of Hugo Gonzalez who plays for Real Madrid. Think he’s being slept on because he’s a role player on a really good EuroLeague team

i think the coward dude is gonna get p going higher he seems to be rising.

I like Asa Newell out of UGA if he falls to 20.

Rasheer Fleming St Josephs.If Your going Raynaud or Newell thats good as they are the Bam replacement as he is gonna be coming into some major money n tnot sure if hes worth it.....or that means hes traded.

I think they trade the pick or they are drafting some sh*t like

Liam Mcneeley or Ben Saraf Israel
 
Bro your dawg VJ may be in the perfect system for him w/ the Hornets. That organization is dysfunctional but their fast-break core, Lamelo/VJ/Miller/Bridges, reminds me of Pacers’ lethal transition game.

They don’t have the Pacers’ defenders or coaching but that’s an interesting mix if Philly passes on him. I think Philly passes on him because Morey loves shooting so they’ll go Ace Bailey, Tre Johnson, or Kon K the Duke kid.
im almost ready to tell his mom look for places in charlotte.

Yea thats my relative (vj).....whats crazy is Kai Jones is another Bahamian rooted from our island (the smallest one) and was a Hornet spick b4 mental health played him (hes still in the league)

VJ athleticism there would be crazy and hes a kid that would just fit in and do dirty work for them an run and defend. hes good with that game because he has played that way since young. Even when playing in bahamas young he wasnt always the man on the team i remember his *** being the thir option at times lol Charlotte got shot creators ...VJ should be their pick.
 
We were in the play in because the roster is dog ****, jimmy should not have to average playoff jimmy numbers at 34 for us to be a non play in team. We have needed another guy who can consistently create easy offense for themselves and others we neglected that since dragic left.

Too many heat fans blame jimmy instead of the front office for going multiple year with literally zero years and on too often that letting playoff starters walk without correctly replacing them. Hence us getting worse since 22

Exhibit A of us being garbage even with jimmy being super impactful in the regular season look beyond the box score:
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2. You are completely wrong the rozier trade was a spo sponsored move to attempt to make up for us not fully perusing dame the way we should have. We held herro too high and that kept us from upgrading a contending roster when he obviously didn’t fit

You are saying the same old homer heat culture points with the “jimmy asked for Lowry”..As if that was a bad thing lets check, we were the #1 seed in the east when we got lowry when bam jimmy and herro missed alot of games in 2022 he was our only consistent guy. Saying an nba champion and a respected competitor across the league isn’t a heat player is the exact reason we are in the situation. Comparing his impact to rozier when every metric says lineups were better with lowry and significantly worse with terry.

You say lowry isn’t a heat player but herro who never put the team first when we were close to a championship even tho we were literally better without him. He was only focused on his individual success and he’s a heat player right? Exactly what the heat have become, hypocrites. Also calling herro out vs jimmy isn’t similar at all, one has not proven **** when it mattered and one literally had the franchise on his back and led us to our 3rd best era in heat history

We went to the ECF and FINALS with Lowry playing a big role, so tell me why that is looked at as a bad suggestion by jimmy? It’s literally the best move the heat made in that era. The team has gotten worse since lowry was traded. On top of that we traded a first round pick for terry rozier who is terrible and could have been acquired without giving up a first..

Just one of the many bad asset management moves the heat made since lebron left, they could have simply let lowry big contract expire and made moves in free agency to improve instead they got rozier and literally did NOTHING for the 2nd straight year..but jimmy fault right? Hold the FO accountable

And im not betting on the knicks..**** the Knicks, im just keeping it real. They have a brighter future than us right now and have been operating alot better than before . You have to take the heat culture visions off to fully realize bow bad this organization has been for years now but playoff jimmy, bam and spo have willied us to multiple deep playoff runs in spite of the front office doing the BARE MINIMUM.

I love the heat, but i don’t recognize what they have become. They are drunk off heat culture kool aid, they aren’t adapting they are stuck in their ways and are praying and wishing another star falls in their lap like jimmy did. But nowadays u actually have to plan to acquire stars with your assets, you can’t just wait and hope they hit free agency that method is dead

Longest post i ever made but it’s worth the read lol
great read.

* I Already told you im a Villanova basketball fan...hence im a Kyle Lowry fan.

Kyle Lowry is routinely fat n out of shape....that's not a heat player. dude took weeks to be allowed on the court.

Lowry brings leadership, toughness. mentorship always liked that about him. Typical north east guard. See Brunson...i can rattle off a bunch of nova guys like that.

But everything was on the decline with him here stat wise. 3 years 85 million for a guy who essentially would be a bench player didnt make sense. he wasnt long term help for jimmy.
The problem was.......Scary Terry looked to be ascending a bit as a player (those proved to be hollow points) so they felt that move was a smooth move since they were losing Lowry anyway.

Terry Rozier has been epicly worse. lol I hate him. I hate his socks, his sneakers, i hate his warmups. He is so **** sorry that at times i felt sorry for him being so sorry. Hes part of the reason the heat were in the play in..he was expected to bne a steady player atleast this dude blew more lay ups than ieve ever seen is a sieve on defense and just wont stop shooting lol.

I think there are different spectrums of heat fans. I see it in reality with my friend groups, barber shop talks, family. And i see it online, heat blogs, and on here and westendzone.

*Theres a grouping that understands whatever tf "Heat culture" means and allows it to play out. Then there is a group that is tired of hearing about it and are a fan of the off szn or "the process" that would like to see more moves and just things to happen with the team which i also get. That group thinks its like a video game and we could just get this or that guy any type of way. That group also thinks the owner goes cheap at times (i get it) but i mean it was a global pandemic and dude is a cruise owner so that 2nd apron an cost of certain things might have played factors.

Me and @DMoney i think fall int hat first group a bit more. We have dealt with this for years alot of the second group were dying to trade tyler herro for guys like bradley beal to bust a move. ( we called Herro being better then)
Picking up Jimmy Butler was even scoffed at. These same heat fans didnt expect us to beat teams in the playoffs as well.
After these two years i dont think anyone should be off limits on the roster for trades...but im also not a "the process" guy because that has done nothing for teams like the 76ers and others. I also think The heat culture thing is even overblown and everything being on Pat Riley as well as Nick and Spo makes alot of these **** decisions.

* The knicks just got the furthest they ever goten in the last 25 years and fired their coach. Theyre main player had his dad on the team as the assistant coach (daddy ball), depending on who they hire as coach their future will go out like a wet fart because they traded away 5 first rounders for Bridges..whos contract is about to come up. And they have Jim Dolan as an owner who mettles. Dude did the exit interviews for the team like hes the coach and he hasnt been around lol They better get my guy Hurley or Jay Wright. lol

Also Long read but i like the debate.
 
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We were in the play in because the roster is dog ****, jimmy should not have to average playoff jimmy numbers at 34 for us to be a non play in team. We have needed another guy who can consistently create easy offense for themselves and others we neglected that since dragic left.

Too many heat fans blame jimmy instead of the front office for going multiple year with literally zero years and on too often that letting playoff starters walk without correctly replacing them. Hence us getting worse since 22

Exhibit A of us being garbage even with jimmy being super impactful in the regular season look beyond the box score:
View attachment 326937View attachment 326939

2. You are completely wrong the rozier trade was a spo sponsored move to attempt to make up for us not fully perusing dame the way we should have. We held herro too high and that kept us from upgrading a contending roster when he obviously didn’t fit

You are saying the same old homer heat culture points with the “jimmy asked for Lowry”..As if that was a bad thing lets check, we were the #1 seed in the east when we got lowry when bam jimmy and herro missed alot of games in 2022 he was our only consistent guy. Saying an nba champion and a respected competitor across the league isn’t a heat player is the exact reason we are in the situation. Comparing his impact to rozier when every metric says lineups were better with lowry and significantly worse with terry.

You say lowry isn’t a heat player but herro who never put the team first when we were close to a championship even tho we were literally better without him. He was only focused on his individual success and he’s a heat player right? Exactly what the heat have become, hypocrites. Also calling herro out vs jimmy isn’t similar at all, one has not proven **** when it mattered and one literally had the franchise on his back and led us to our 3rd best era in heat history

We went to the ECF and FINALS with Lowry playing a big role, so tell me why that is looked at as a bad suggestion by jimmy? It’s literally the best move the heat made in that era. The team has gotten worse since lowry was traded. On top of that we traded a first round pick for terry rozier who is terrible and could have been acquired without giving up a first..

Just one of the many bad asset management moves the heat made since lebron left, they could have simply let lowry big contract expire and made moves in free agency to improve instead they got rozier and literally did NOTHING for the 2nd straight year..but jimmy fault right? Hold the FO accountable

And im not betting on the knicks..**** the Knicks, im just keeping it real. They have a brighter future than us right now and have been operating alot better than before . You have to take the heat culture visions off to fully realize bow bad this organization has been for years now but playoff jimmy, bam and spo have willied us to multiple deep playoff runs in spite of the front office doing the BARE MINIMUM.

I love the heat, but i don’t recognize what they have become. They are drunk off heat culture kool aid, they aren’t adapting they are stuck in their ways and are praying and wishing another star falls in their lap like jimmy did. But nowadays u actually have to plan to acquire stars with your assets, you can’t just wait and hope they hit free agency that method is dead

Longest post i ever made but it’s worth the read lol
I still love Jimmy, but he never did anything without this front office or “the Culture.”

He’s in his mid-thirties and this is the only franchise that ever won with him up top. They deserve credit, not blame.

The 2019 build around Jimmy was an unqualified success. Now it’s time to rebuild.
 
Dmoney..The heat won 37 games, they are not doing **** with kd herro bam they are far away from contending. Its a 2nd round ceiling at best and not worth trading future assets for an aging star who contract will be up soon
kd is ornery and a lil off putting lackadaiacal but this isnt a take i agree with.

if all 3 are healthy they are contending in the east. They literally just need that wing scorer punch which they were expecting from Jimmy. KD can do that with his eyes closed.

The east will be a free for all next year. The pacers are in the finals with Haliburton/ Siakam an a bunch of sh*t right now honestly lol Good coaching, pace pushing and boom. A lot of you dudes couldnt name 4 players on the pacers team 3 months ago. Thats the type of stuff were dealing with in the east.
 
I still love Jimmy, but he never did anything without this front office or “the Culture.”

He’s in his mid-thirties and this is the only franchise that ever won with him up top. They deserve credit, not blame.

The 2019 build around Jimmy was an unqualified success. Now it’s time to rebuild.
I'm here @Memnon.

A good move forward was drafting Ware i think he could become a solid player or be an asset in a trade. Tyler Herro boosting his stock a bit as well.

The names ive been hearing are...KD, Trey Murphy, Trae Young as guys being thrown around.

* Still cant believe Portland traded Damian Lillard straight up for Ayton just to spite the Heat and Lillard...then essentially gave the celtics Jrue Holiday a piece they needed. Alot of theis talk about the heat wouldnt be happening with a Lillard, Bam, Jimmy b team but hey thats how the nba happens.
 
The East is wide open with Tatum injured. Durant and Bam can compete like Jimmy and Bam did. The Jimmy/Bam teams didn’t get much from Herro due to injury, so if he’s good that raises the ceiling.

It will depend on if Houston or San Antonio pursue Durant. If they don’t, the Heat make the most sense.
Yall will find out up close & personal with your own eyes the same things Brooklyn & Phoenix found out.

KD is a passive beta, he's hit the wall & is not ever going to lead a team to the NBA finals at this stage in his career.

He's at his best when he's the #2 guy in the passenger seat, but in terms of being the primary catalyst & expecting him to lift/carry your franchise, those days are long gone my friend. He's the most talented non-leader in NBA history. Actually, I'd argue he has no leadership skills whatsoever & in this juncture of his career he's not going to take hard Coaching under any circumstances.

What makes him such a difficult player to deal with is that he's not volatile, he doesn't throw fits & disrupt the locker room when things inevitably go bad. He just checks out & doesn't say anything. His apathy is more cancerous to your team's success than having a malcontent who shakes things up.

Trust & believe, the moment Spoe gets to barking at him, KD will not respond well, in fact, he won't respond at all; he'll simply shut it down & retreat back into "I just wanna hoop" mode. He'll put up some nice efficient numbers & yall will get swept in the 1st round of the playoffs. And Heat fans will be scratching their heads wondering what went wrong?

Yall will get KD'd.

#DontListenToMeNow
#ButYoullBelieveMeLaterOn
 
I'm here @Memnon.

A good move forward was drafting Ware i think he could become a solid player or be an asset in a trade. Tyler Herro boosting his stock a bit as well.

The names ive been hearing are...KD, Trey Murphy, Trae Young as guys being thrown around.

* Still cant believe Portland traded Damian Lillard straight up for Ayton just to spite the Heat and Lillard...then essentially gave the celtics Jrue Holiday a piece they needed. Alot of theis talk about the heat wouldnt be happening with a Lillard, Bam, Jimmy b team but hey thats how the nba happens.
Trae Young & Trey Murphy would be very good picks ups.

Buyer beware of KD...

I'm telling yall, it's fools gold.

You think you want KD until he gets in the building...
 
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Yall will find out up close & personal with your own eyes the same things Brooklyn & Phoenix found out.

KD is a passive beta, he's hit the wall & is not ever going to lead a team to the NBA finals at this stage in his career.

He's at his best when he's the #2 guy in the passenger seat, but in terms of being the primary catalyst & expecting him to lift/carry your franchise, those days are long gone my friend. He's the most talented non-leader in NBA history. Actually, I'd argue he has no leadership skills whatsoever & in this juncture of his career he's not going to take hard Coaching under any circumstances.

What makes him such a difficult player to deal with is that he's not volatile, he doesn't throw fits & disrupt the locker room when things inevitably go bad. He just checks out & doesn't say anything. His apathy is more cancerous to your team's success than having a malcontent who shakes things up.

Trust & believe, the moment Spoe gets to barking at him, KD will not respond well, in fact, he won't respond at all; he'll simply shut it down & retreat back into "I just wanna hoop" mode. He'll put up some nice efficient numbers & yall will get swept in the 1st round of the playoffs. And Heat fans will be scratching their heads wondering what went wrong?

Yall will get KD'd.

#DontListenToMeNow
#ButYoullBelieveMeLaterOn

 
Trae Young & Trey Murphy would be very good picks ups.

Buyer beware of KD...

I'm telling yall, it's fools gold.

You think you want KD until he gets in the building...
`1Im liking Trey Murphy hes a young guy that ascended this year i think he fits the heat and has some more development they might can get out of him.

Ive also always been a Kd fan so maybe thats why im partial to him.

I was the same way with Carmelo.
 

Pure facts.

KD hightailed it out of OKC because he couldn't deal with Russ's hyper-aggressive personality, which is understandable because Russ can be a lot to handle lol. But no doubt about it, he was the biggest beneficiary in joining the Warriors system. Steph Curry saved his legacy. Without Steph, KD would be looked at completely different in the eyes of NBA fans & media alike.

It's inexplicable the precipitous drop his career took after leaving GS. He was given the keys to two franchises & paired with multiple All-Star supporting cast teammates in both circumstances. Sticking with Chucks analogy, he just couldn't drive the Bus. He didn't crash it, he simply just pulled over, got out & walked in both instances.

Because he simply doesn't have it mentally. He's never dealt well with the pressure of leadership. And in the NBA it's even more tense IMO, because while NFL QB's similarly have to deal with intense pressure of the leadership, they still have 52 other Men & a whole host of Coaches that will usually take at least some part of the blame for shortcomings; but in the NBA, it's ALL on the Superstar. Everything lives & dies with that #1 guy & if it doesn't work out everybody is looking at him for the answers.

KD has never been comfortable in that role & every time he was given the reigns to prove otherwise, he went full speed ahead in the opposite direction.
 
* Still cant believe Portland traded Damian Lillard straight up for Ayton just to spite the Heat and Lillard...then essentially gave the celtics Jrue Holiday a piece they needed. Alot of theis talk about the heat wouldnt be happening with a Lillard, Bam, Jimmy b team but hey thats how the nba happens.
Bro that mf GM Cronin….He basically has worsened Simons and Grants’ trade value so Im sure he is trying to offload them this summer.

Traded their franchise player for Ayton then went out & got Rob Williams….a year later drafted Donovan Clingan. Wtf? Traded their franchise for two centers and still needed to draft a third. Now I bet he is trying to trade one or two of them so they can actually give their lottery pick real minutes

The kid they got from the Suns, Toumani, my homie coached down here when he immigrated from Europe. He’s looking like the best pickup from the trade.

I also feel like they’re overrating Deni Avidja who is a solid player but I don’t get this future all-star talk. Their most talented player is Shaedon Sharpe. To get Deni Avidja, they had to trade Malcolm Brogdan PLUS two first round picks. One of those picks was #14 in last year’s draft.

Somehow all these moves ended up with Cronin getting an extension because Chauncey Billups has been putting in work w/ that weak roster he has.
 
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