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The Franchise said:
People are stretching the comment he made and quickly deleted in order to blame everyone equally. That’s what people do now. They feel compelled to blame everyone every time there’s a beef instead of focusing on the actual wrongdoer. It’s an odd phenomenon that has developed in society where blame must be split.

Either that, or there’s something else in play where Ivings is catching more heat than the people who were blatantly wrong and started the entire beef. It’s kind of like how Banda is now everyone’s recruiting heel on the Recruiting Board because Rumph caught a bunch of criticism for missing on all the kids he coached at the POS school in Broweird.
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Excellent post, brother.
 
Tad Footeball said:
I think you're pretty much correct in your assessment of instant equivocation being a cultural phenomenon that is beyond problematic.

I think for me personally and in instances where I have no vested interest like this then it plays out like this though:

You see the school (coaches/volunteers/police/whatever) initially seem completely in the wrong and then acting ridiculous on social media.

You see Ivins with the chance to come off completely in the right (to anyone that isn't already preciously biased or is just going by the assumed facts they have at hand).

You see Ivins eff it up by making that comment and opening the door for him to now be attacked.

You lose any sympathies you may have previously had for him by his stupid response and muddying the situation and you just say "eff both parties here" and you move on.

Fair? Nope. A lazy assessment? Probably. But it's the dangers in current society of an aggrieved party not handling themselves in the most advantageous or even proper ways when they react to the wrongdoer or wrongdoings.
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Tad, you’re one of my favorite writers on here. I, too, don’t give a crud about either side in this dopey beef. In fact, upon further reflection, I’m actually a little embarrassed that I’ve penned so many posts in this thread about a few witless carbuncles I care nothing about.

I guess I just hate seeing these idiot fake leaders in South Florida continuing to corrupt the minds of the youths in my town. It sucks to see these idiots continue to racially divide the community and to spread that **** to kids.

Kids look up to these buffoons because kids are too impressionable not to. You and I can see their extra chromosome without the benefit of a microscope. Kids can’t. So they learn from the mongoloids who continue spreading this garbage.
 
I have a good friend who is a high school administrator. If you try to show up randomly on campus or to a closed practice and you don't have all your security clearances in order, you're going to have a bad time. At the very least the school resource officer is going to escort you off campus. That said, this was a scrimmage that was open to the public. Sideline access doesn't require some kind of special clearance and credentials. If Ivins was actually invited by a coach, all it would take would be that coach saying "he's with me" and everything would have been fine. I've been on sidelines for games and all I had to do was have my buddy tell security who I am. This was all simply a matter of Northwestern's AD having some kind of hard-on for Ivins. He clearly wanted to embarrass a media member. Not sure what the reasoning behind it was but it's completely unprofessional. Then having the police escort him out of the bleachers (once again, this event was open to the public) was completely unnecessary.

Now, the smart thing for Ivins to do would be to contact the administration at the school and explain how cowardly and unprofessional their AD had acted. There was no need for the twitter war with some fake coach or to drag any of the Northwestern players into it. AD at a public school is not some prestigious position anyway. It's usually just some long tenured PE coach or former football coach who is still teaching at the school.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Where did he said he was going to bad mouth anyone?
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You really don’t think that’s a reasonable inference from his quote?

I’m not absolving the other people, especially the AD, but this was a bad thing for a journalist to say. It suggests that other factors will now influence how he performs what should be an unbiased job.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
I'm reading well enough...so much so...that I know that isn't what he even remotely meant and the fact that this thread is mostly directed at that is why I know people are just parroting nonsense they are seeing in posts here.

If you really think Ivins was going to maliciously give poor reviews of players to All-Star committees, we can't even have a discussion here. The real discussion to be had is about Miami Northwestern and whatever they are trying to prove. The only ones really hurting the kids here are the MNW officials who thought it'd be cute to get the free PR guys escorted out of the event by police officers that were there for the student-athletes.
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The words said by Ivins was, "do you think im going to give glowing (good, exciting) reviews about your players when asked by an all star committee?"
Yes, or no?

You're taking that lightly and trying to minimize it to be something to ignore. Also, as I said before, when you're asked to leave a venue, you leave the **** venue. He stayed inside and had to be escorted out. The fact that he was not permitted to be there is utterly ridiculous and childish. The principle should be weighing down heavily on the AD for pulling a stunt like this and letting his personal feelings get into it. But likely, the principle doesnt care as well which is a problem. However, what ever happens after he's told to get the fvck out is ALL ON HIM. MNW did not instruct 5 different police officers to excort him out. They likely walked up to 1 or a group and told them that someone was told to leave, but is still in the stadium after being caught filming the scrimmage illegally (without permission). The Twitter argument is moot, cuz he's arguing with someone who isnt even on the MNW football staff or an official as mentioned before. HIS words carry weight because YOU and I can "think" all we want on if he will actually do it. But the FACT is that he made a blatant written statement that we're only assuming if he will or won't follow through with.
 
The Franchise said:
People are stretching the comment he made and quickly deleted in order to blame everyone equally. That’s what people do now. They feel compelled to blame everyone every time there’s a beef instead of focusing on the actual wrongdoer. It’s an odd phenomenon that has developed in society where blame must be split.

Either that, or there’s something else in play where Ivings is catching more heat than the people who were blatantly wrong and started the entire beef. It’s kind of like how Banda is now everyone’s recruiting heel on the Recruiting Board because Rumph caught a bunch of criticism for missing on all the kids he coached at the POS school in Broweird.
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it's what I call 'fake neutrality '
 
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OBLIVION said:
They won a title. That don't make a **** of a difference. That doesn't equal you having a fully loaded team nor does that say the same for the district. You guys get caught up on that So Florida **** too much.

At one time. When you looked up recruiting rankings. You would see plenty of names in the top 100 in the nation from the Miami area. Now you just see IMG and Fort Lauderdale.

Outside of Fleming. Whom on that roster is looking at going to a P5 this year? 3 guys from MNW this year are in the top 150 in the state. 2 of which will end up at some low level college.

I'm not even counting James Cook but it doesn't look like we get whom we want from MNW. Since taking the big MNW class under Randy. We've landed 1 top 50 player in the State from MNW. 8 others went elsewhere. Place blame how you see fit but we don't get who we want from there.
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who do you think is part of this rankings system?...the guy that just got kicked out lol

MNW is/has been pretty loaded the last 2 years. **** they won back to back state champs in the toughest district in the nation. Who u think they have out there on the field?? lmao.. They literally just had a 1st rder drafted...a kid we didnt even sniff. They are still producing kids at a high clip. We really should of signed 2 from there in this class...and i personally wouldve went after Tu Tu Atwell. We got Nigel Bethel...and we have 2 commits currently down the pike from there.

There's no 1 that can call themselves a cane fan and not know that MNW is one of our feeder schools.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
If you have an agenda, you can manipulate anything the man said to support your argument. But that doesn't mean its what he said or what he meant.
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Ok. Like I’ve said, the issue was with the AD’s lack of professionalism but after that the Warden dude injected race into it and Ivins was good, in my opinion, until that quote. I don’t have an agenda beyond people in the situation doing what’s right. I guess I just have a different opinion on it than you. No disrespect intended.
 
BoxingRobes said:
People aren't even reading the tweets at this point. Just parroting bad takes.

Facts - MNW had FIVE (5...F-I-V-E) police officers escort a recruiting reporter out of a scrimmage because he didn't have the proper credentials after being invited by the coaching staff.

If you are even focusing on anything Ivins said, you're a weirdo with an agenda. The fact that some here are twisting and turning it into some act of retribution by Ivins is some feminine ****.
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Jesus christ. Maybe I just dont understand this whole you ****ed my girl so i sodomized your sister thing everyone seems to focus on. So I'd love clarification. Chain of events. #1 Andrew gets escorted out of an open scrimmage by the police (5 of them)at the request of the ad or whoever else on the staff of mnw. Clearly that's extreme & they wanted to remind him of his place in the pecking order. At the least very petty on their part. Now as a rebuttal Andrew gets into a children's arguement and says that because of what happened hes gonna give **** write ups to CHILDREN who ATTEND mnw... does that cover the bases in a quick synopsis minus the whole racial component the other piece of **** threw in? Does right? So what you're saying is Andrew is perfectly in the right to affect the future of these CHILDREN no matter how minuscule it actually may, because the STAFF of mnw ****ed him first? Whoooo. The atrocities that have been done to mankind that you apparently find irrelevant by that theory is pretty **** sad. But an agenda is the guns you choose to stick with right... unless this is his way of trying to force kids to transfer out of mnw than I cant see how that works. Because these children hes affecting have nothing to do with what has been done to him. Ever heard the saying two wrongs dont make a right...
 
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CFLCane said:
How is he supposed to give any review if he cant watch them. His wording is 100% wrong but the point is valid.
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I definitely interpreted it the way D did. Ivins also missed a golden opportunity. Social media is a powerful platform and instead of wording it the way he did, he could have clapped back saying something along the lines of "By denying me access you are only denying your student athletes exposure that could lead to future scholarships. I request your AD respond to my emails below."

But instead he did come across as petty and trivial, he does it the other way and social media will run with it and pressure the AD to fix it ASAP.
 
dsddcane said:
Jesus christ. Maybe I just dont understand this whole you ****ed my girl so i sodomized your sister thing everyone seems to focus on. So I'd love clarification. Chain of events. #1 Andrew gets escorted out of an open scrimmage by the police (5 of them)at the request of the ad or whoever else on the staff of mnw. Clearly that's extreme & they wanted to remind him of his place in the pecking order. At the least very petty on their part. Now as a rebuttal Andrew gets into a children's arguement and says that because of what happened hes gonna give **** write ups to CHILDREN who ATTEND mnw... does that cover the bases in a quick synopsis minus the whole racial component the other piece of **** threw in? Does right? So what you're saying is Andrew is perfectly in the right to affect the future of these CHILDREN no matter how minuscule it actually may, because the STAFF of mnw ****ed him first? Whoooo. The atrocities that have been done to mankind that you apparently find irrelevant by that theory is pretty **** sad. But an agenda is the guns you choose to stick with right... unless this is his way of trying to force kids to transfer out of mnw than I cant see how that works. Because these children hes affecting have nothing to do with what has been done to him. Ever heard the saying two wrongs dont make a right...
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I had a long write up in response to this...but its unnecessary.

Straight up...if MNW did that to a University staffer that came by to watch kids, evaluate them, and talk to them on a coaches invite...that University likely never shows up to MNW again until there is a staff change and that is ultimately only hurting the kids.

Just because this now includes Andrew Ivins who is a rep from a third party, people want to lay blame across the board. No thanks. Andrew Ivins isn't there for the coaches or the AD or even the school. He's there for the kids and the service his company provides is that for the kids (and those that consume the content in this niche). MNW doing anything that impedes their student athletes from getting the free (to them) publicity and evaluation, puts them in the wrong.
 
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