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OT: Ivins Kicked out

blackvern said:
So who's more of a piece of **** the AD who had him kicked out of the spring game or Ivins who said he would give subpar reviews of Miami Northwestern players to all star games because he got kicked out of a spring game. The AD might be a jerk but what Ivins wrote means he is a piece of **** and means he shows bias in his reporting, how do we know he hasnt done this before because he doesnt like a certain coach or school? I tell you this I guarantee he has.
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I might usually think vern is a Semenhole troll slurper, but be that as it is hes absolutely right for once. I already didnt think much of buddy but this just confirmed it all to me.
 
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The only people who give a **** what Ivins and many others in this line of work have to say are fans. He doesn't have any say in recruiting rankings and isn't on any level to blackball players and if he tried now. People would see straight through it.

I still find it funny though. That Ivins is the main topic but the trash that baited him and also felt the need to bring race into the situation. Isn't a topic at all.

WTF was Max Edwards doing through all this? If there is a problem between Ivins and the AD and it's been going on for a year. Why was he invited in the first place? So they could flex on him with police and Da Warden?
 
I know two examples of kids who were 2-star/no star but when the transferred to IMG they became 3-star. Who at 247/Rivals is responsible for making that change? Is it their local guy?
 
dsddcane said:
That's crapola. The kid has nothing to do with his issue one way or the other. It's one thing to tell them I'm sorry but I haven't had access there and I dont know one way or the other. It's another to bad mouth a kid and sabotage his future potentially because the school has an issue with you. Ivins showed some female ways in that instance.
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Ivins never said he would bad mouth anybody tho. Everyone is assuming that...
 
dwreck27 said:
He talked about being black balled for all of last season...

You can’t tell me he hasn’t tried multiple times to get credentials so he can record and post for 247... don’t be so foolish... his job depends on covering not only Miami recruiting but also tipping off other reporters of schools who need “catch up notes” when a player commits to their school

Let’s be honest if a reporter ever got black balled at MNW, central, STA, etc they wouldn’t have a job anymore.. what use would they have??
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It’s not being foolish. Unfortunately since he didn’t hear from them he shouldn’t shown up. He knew something was up before he got there. Whether he was being blackballed or not, he knew that tension existed (not to the extent of being escorted) between MNW and himself. It doesn’t sound like he sought permission to be on the sideline despite being invited by the coaches to attend the scrimmage.

Look it was clearly a mess but there were wrongs from all parties involved except the kids. That’s my issue. Him bringing up students. I also don’t like the fact that MNW made a scene by escorting him off the field.
 
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westcoastcanes said:
Good call kicking the coverage out of the practice then if that is the case, eh?
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I never said it was right. I also said that was in response to Ivins and the other fellow dispute on Twitter. And let’s be real as well, there are a few programs down here that don’t need coverage to find their players programs and MNW is one of them. I don’t agree with them but I also don’t know what it stems from. Unless something really bad occurs to that program and school, their players will always have options to go somewhere.

All that being said, both Ivins and the MNW admin needs to get this stuff right. At the end of the day, all of this is for the kids.
 
Canedog said:
I have to give Ivins some respect for requiring 5 Miami cops to take him out.
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If there was only video of 4 of them each twisting him in opposite directions while one taser hims as he screams "I'm not resisting!!! I'm from 247!! I'm not resisting!!! Whyyyyy???!!!!".

One officer would have obviously required medical treatment at the ER for some minor injuries incurred due to Mr. Ivins non-compliance too.
 
ajone228 said:
Ivins never said he would bad mouth anybody tho. Everyone is assuming that...
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People are stretching the comment he made and quickly deleted in order to blame everyone equally. That’s what people do now. They feel compelled to blame everyone every time there’s a beef instead of focusing on the actual wrongdoer. It’s an odd phenomenon that has developed in society where blame must be split.

Either that, or there’s something else in play where Ivings is catching more heat than the people who were blatantly wrong and started the entire beef. It’s kind of like how Banda is now everyone’s recruiting heel on the Recruiting Board because Rumph caught a bunch of criticism for missing on all the kids he coached at the POS school in Broweird.
 
calinative umstudent said:
So yall expect someone to write glowing write-ups of players at schools they don't have access to? Seems pretty simple, if you evaluate and report on hundreds of kids yearly, who are you more likely going to talk about more glowingly - the great player that you know and have seen personally at practice, or the great player whose practices you get escorted out by cops at.....I think Ivins' point is pretty simple..
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His first point was exactly what you said - that he’d go cover kids at schools where he’s welcomed/permitted. That I get. The 2nd point he made, about not giving MNW “kids” good reviews, is the problem and he knows it because he deleted it. These 2 points have distinct meanings. I don’t know what he intended but that’s how it reads.
 
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ajone228 said:
Ivins never said he would bad mouth anybody tho. Everyone is assuming that...
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ajone228 said:
Ivins never said he would bad mouth anybody tho. Everyone is assuming that...
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People aren't even reading the tweets at this point. Just parroting bad takes.

Facts - MNW had FIVE (5...F-I-V-E) police officers escort a recruiting reporter out of a scrimmage because he didn't have the proper credentials after being invited by the coaching staff.

If you are even focusing on anything Ivins said, you're a weirdo with an agenda. The fact that some here are twisting and turning it into some act of retribution by Ivins is some feminine ****.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
People aren't even reading the tweets at this point. Just parroting bad takes.

Facts - MNW had FIVE (5...F-I-V-E) police officers escort a recruiting reporter out of a scrimmage because he didn't have the proper credentials after being invited by the coaching staff.

If you are even focusing on anything Ivins said, you're a weirdo with an agenda. The fact that some here are twisting and turning it into some act of retribution by Ivins is some feminine ****.
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Maybe you aren't reading tweets, or even the posts. Everyone agree's that Ivins had the right to be upset, but it doesn't make it right for him to take it out on the kids, which is the whole point. There's nothing to twist, he said it himself, then deleted it after because he realized how ****** it was. Do we need to post the tweet a 9th time?
 
The Franchise said:
People are stretching the comment he made and quickly deleted in order to blame everyone equally. That’s what people do now. They feel compelled to blame everyone every time there’s a beef instead of focusing on the actual wrongdoer. It’s an odd phenomenon that has developed in society where blame must be split.

Either that, or there’s something else in play where Ivings is catching more heat than the people who were blatantly wrong and started the entire beef. It’s kind of like how Banda is now everyone’s recruiting heel on the Recruiting Board because Rumph caught a bunch of criticism for missing on all the kids he coached at the POS school in Broweird.
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I think you're pretty much correct in your assessment of instant equivocation being a cultural phenomenon that is beyond problematic.

I think for me personally and in instances where I have no vested interest like this then it plays out like this though:

You see the school (coaches/volunteers/police/whatever) initially seem completely in the wrong and then acting ridiculous on social media.

You see Ivins with the chance to come off completely in the right (to anyone that isn't already preciously biased or is just going by the assumed facts they have at hand).

You see Ivins eff it up by making that comment and opening the door for him to now be attacked.

You lose any sympathies you may have previously had for him by his stupid response and muddying the situation and you just say "eff both parties here" and you move on.

Fair? Nope. A lazy assessment? Probably. But it's the dangers in current society of an aggrieved party not handling themselves in the most advantageous or even proper ways when they react to the wrongdoer or wrongdoings.
 
Astcloud11 said:
Maybe you aren't reading tweets, or even the posts. Everyone agree's that Ivins had the right to be upset, but it doesn't make it right for him to take it out on the kids, which is the whole point. There's nothing to twist, he said it himself, then deleted it after because he realized how ****** it was. Do we need to post the tweet a 9th time?
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I'm reading well enough...so much so...that I know that isn't what he even remotely meant and the fact that this thread is mostly directed at that is why I know people are just parroting nonsense they are seeing in posts here.

If you really think Ivins was going to maliciously give poor reviews of players to All-Star committees, we can't even have a discussion here. The real discussion to be had is about Miami Northwestern and whatever they are trying to prove. The only ones really hurting the kids here are the MNW officials who thought it'd be cute to get the free PR guys escorted out of the event by police officers that were there for the student-athletes.
 
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