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OT: Hiphop heads who had the better diss track MGK v Eminem

CashMoneyCane said:
Who gives a $#!+ about better? One is a billionaire and Luke is a nobody outside of South Florida.

Would you rather be "better" than someone, or have a billion dollars?

Also, Dre is one of the greatest producers that ever lived. And Luke is famous for dirty lyrics and little else.

I hate to break it to you, but no one cares about Luke. He's a poor man's Vanilla Ice.
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What makes you think I am a Luke fan. I think he is trash. My point is Dre got bodied by Luke who doesn't even rap and is basically just a hype man. This is a discussion about rappers. Next time we are debating HOFers and best football players of all time I will just jump in with **** RAY LEWIS. **** REED. Bezos has more money then them all. Who cares whose better at football. Would you rather be great at football or worth 150 billion. If this thread was titled "OT who is richer Luke or Dre" you would have a point, but we are talking about rap here.
 
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CashMoneyCane said:
FACTS

You're mistaking correlation for causation.

Dre resurrected his own career and brought Em along for the ride. "Forgot About Dre" was a huge hit and put Dre back into the national spotlight, but he sure as **** didn't need Em for that. He could have done it with Snoop and it would've been just as huge.

And, you know, Dre produced The Marshall Mathers LP, and Em was literally no one until that happened.
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Let me guess. You are one of those guys whose top 3 rappers are 1. Lil Wayne 2. Justin Bieber. 3. Kanye West
 
CashMoneyCane said:
FACTS

You're mistaking correlation for causation.

Dre resurrected his own career and brought Em along for the ride. "Forgot About Dre" was a huge hit and put Dre back into the national spotlight, but he sure as **** didn't need Em for that. He could have done it with Snoop and it would've been just as huge.

And, you know, Dre produced The Marshall Mathers LP, and Em was literally no one until that happened.
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Forgot about Dre was after the Slim shady LP... The 1st 2 releases went platinum.. Em went 5x platinum... After Slim went 5x, The Chronic 2001 went 6x and then Em went diamond... Em made Dre and his label take the *** off..He could not have done it with Snoop after Snoop dropped nothing but dog shi!t when he dipped to Master P's label..
 
CashMoneyCane said:
FACTS

You're mistaking correlation for causation.

Dre resurrected his own career and brought Em along for the ride. "Forgot About Dre" was a huge hit and put Dre back into the national spotlight, but he sure as **** didn't need Em for that. He could have done it with Snoop and it would've been just as huge.

And, you know, Dre produced The Marshall Mathers LP, and Em was literally no one until that happened.
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The Slim Shady LP was arguably Eminem’s greatest album and it was the album prior to forgot about Dre and Marshall Mathers LP. It is ok that Eminem isn’t your preference but if you’re gonna “try” and discredit him and his success at least be accurate...love him or hate’em he is one of the most successful rappers of all time for a reason. He had an album before he was “found” by Dre called infinite and honestly it ain’t much different then the 2 LP albums. Dre is a legend but remember his credibility took a huge hit after getting slammed by Eazy E during their battle (real G’s by E is the best diss of all time imo) so Dre definitely benefited from Eminem’s rise as well and allowed people to move on from some of the things Eazy E exposed about him.
 
CashMoneyCane said:
Wooowwww this is bad.

Dr. Dre is not some A&R rep at some nothing label. People get "discovered" and amount to absolutely nothing all the time. Anything Dre attaches his name to has instant credibility.

Em's star rose on Dre's back.
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Still doesn’t change the fact that everyone is discovered by someone lol. Why does Em being discovered by Dre somehow discredit his talent and accomplishments? Powerful people in the music industry “discover” artist all the time that don’t amount to ****.
 
Pizzle said:
Still doesn’t change the fact that everyone is discovered by someone lol. Why does Em being discovered by Dre somehow discredit his talent and accomplishments? Powerful people in the music industry “discover” artist all the time that don’t amount to ****.
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Yeah that’s the dumbest argument ever. How about Em had enough talent that Dre knew he couldn’t pass on signing him. Rising back in the day was different than now. Now you can get your stuff on the internet in a moment. Back in the day, your stuff was never heard unless you were discovered by someone with a platform
 
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Pizzle said:
Still doesn’t change the fact that everyone is discovered by someone lol. Why does Em being discovered by Dre somehow discredit his talent and accomplishments? Powerful people in the music industry “discover” artist all the time that don’t amount to ****.
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You're literally quoting me to argue against me.

If you don't understand the answer to this question, I can't help you.
 
Eminem & Fifty owe much of their mainstream success to Dre.

Only time I ever listened to those two before Dre was on mix-tapes, never bought their albums before then....but the stuff they were dropping on the mix-tape circuit was dope though.
 
Dre actually said himself Eminem saved him , he felt he was becoming irrelevant.

Eminem was a lottery ticket for Dre.

I will give you that Dre gave Eminem instant credibility, but Em being so talented is why he made it. White rappers were completely ruined after Vanilla ice , and that kept Em from blowing up sooner.

I’m the perfect example , I’m white but wouldn’t even listen to shady because he was white, I didn’t take him serious. I just laughed and was like “ oh god, another Vanilla ice. It took me hearing him on dead wrong to say “ who is that guy”? Then I got his underground stuff then the slim shady lp and was finally like” omg, this guy is the ****”.

Back then nobody took white dudes serious on the mic. Even though he was one of the most respected guys on the underground, and one of the best battle rappers going.


Eminem earned his stripes , grinded from the underground and gained respect battling.

I never got all the excuses for why he’s one of the biggest selling artists ever. It comes down to work ethic and being very , very talented.


So many great mc’s call him the best, or one of the best lyricists ever. Rakim is one of the most respected mc’s in history and said “ Eminem would be considered a Muhammad Ali of this generation if he wasn’t white. That’s speaks loudly.
 
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JBCanes-NC said:
Facts... Dre started Aftermath and released..... Dr Dre presents the aftermath and then dropped The Firm... Next up was Eminem... Sooooooo, yeah, the new guy resurrected Dre and his label...
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This is facts , Dre has even said this. Fifty also said Dre didn’t even want him, Em signing off on him is the only reason Dre even messed with him.

It’s always one extreme or the other with Em, it’s the stans acting like he’s the only rapper alive or the haters that can’t get passed his color , and that’s the only reason he’s legendary. Not that his lyrics , metaphors and word play are second to none.
 
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CashMoneyCane said:
You're literally quoting me to argue against me.

If you don't understand the answer to this question, I can't help you.
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CashMoneyCane said:
You're literally quoting me to argue against me.

If you don't understand the answer to this question, I can't help you.
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Reading comprehension Suzy, you were pointing out that Dre isnt just some run of the mill A&R rep. So I pointed out that POWERFUL people in the industry “discover” people all the time that don’t amount to ****. Let alone become widely thought of as being one of the best to ever do it. But yeah it has nothing to do with his talent and all to do about Dre. The point you’re arguing is absolutely idiotic.
 
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