Yes, I'm talking about the show, not the books. And also touching on what COULD happen if the news about Jon being a Targaryen were to break too soon. I wrote that caveat in my previous post... Remember, Royce, "...can't trust a Targaryen"
1. How can you say the North is most loyal when the North was just caught by Arya listening to Baelish and asking Sansa to be their Queen? Historically, I get it, but I'm sceptical after an Umber and Karstark betrayal; 3 houses refusing the call; and the Bolton's being, well...the Bolton's. That's the definition of fair weather. By the East I assume you mean the Vale? Well, the Vale is Littlefinger. My point is that though the North chose Jon, but that was when they thought he was of the North (instead of being born in Dorne) - or the very least, Ned Stark's *******; were they to find out he was a secret Targaryen they might not follow him at all. No army.
2. Yes, I'm of the belief that Dany and Jon are going to get sexual. Relation be damned. But, if Dany was to go all mad queen and say, "...the Dragons are mine..." Jon ain't getting on no Rhaegal Dragon, even if it was named for his daddy. He'd have to get his own. Dany has an Army of Unsullied and Dothraki, not Jon. No army.
3. Westerosi succession would have Tyrion on the throne, certainly not Cersei; and Renly would be still alive because he would have fallen in line behind Stannis. That's why it's the Game of Thrones.
4. The free folk are the ones that wouldn't mind, but they'd probably lose the gift if the North were to Not honor it due to Jon NOT being a true northerner, by birth; hence, he had no right to give it to them in the first place.
Again, my possibility was based upon Jon being revealed as the true heir and Dany feeling some kind of way about not getting what she has maintained over the years is her "birthright".
And, I hope I didn't read you getting real sensitive about a hypothetical what if. The entire premise was based on Dany not being Team Jon and the valid concerns that could be raised by the other houses.
Bruh, I'm just trying to inform you so you can develop better theories/make better predictions, and I really like talking about ASOIAF
- Lord Royce can't trust a Targaryan that he doesn't personally know, sure, but he trusts Littefinger even less. And Jon is a Northerner, not sure why you're trying to make him seem like he isn't. Jon earned the title of King, he wasn't handed it because of his birthright. When people find out his true lineage, it will just be further reason to support him. They won't just suddenly distrust the man they named their king, the man who has already killed two White Walkers, and who is leading the war against the dead because his true lineage is revealed. Secondly, even if this ridiculous scenario happened and they don't want to follow him they will have no choice, since Bran is the rightful lord of Winterfell, and all the other lords of the north obey him - and he's already said Jon is the king.
- And just to further explain why he has a northern army, the Umbers and the Karstarks are two of the biggest houses in the north, and Jon is singlehandedly responsible for them still having a home. Who will they be loyal to? Sansa who wanted to strip them of the home they have held for centuries - or Jon who forgave the treason of their predecessors and is fighting to protect them? The other major house is Lord Manderly, and he was the one that proclaimed Jon "the White wolf" and king in the north. He's Shown absolutely no signs of disloyalty. The Mormonts have been loyal to Jon the entire time, and Lady Mormont even said "he's my king from this day until his last day" - she has been unflinchingly loyal. In fact the ONLY northern lord who has shown any distrust is Lord Glover, so you are basing Jon's lack of an army on one person. Jon has the north behind him 100%. And if he succeeds in the battle for the dawn, the North will always be loyal to him.
- The Vale is Littlefinger as long as he is alive and has the trust of Robin. However, that is very unlikely to be much longer. First of all I'd be surprised if Arya or Sansa don't kill him, secondly Robin is not someone who would survive a war, dudes lucky if he doesn't just die from the cold. And Absolutely nobody trusts LF. Lord Royce and the rest of the Lords of the Vale don't like LF. They won't choose LF over the King in the North.
- If Jon becomes Rhaegals dragon rider, Rhaegals loyalty no longer belongs to Dany. I mean its entirely possible that Jon wont be a dragon rider in the first place, but if it doesn't it just means Jon wont have a Dragon. But tbh, that is only important for the battle against the White Walkers. I'd put money down that Drogon and Rhaegal end up dead by the end of the series. I completely understand your thoughts on what if Dany wants the throne over Jon, and she might not be happy with the news that he is the rightful king. But imo that wont happen. The entire show, all Dany has been looking for is family, and Jon has never wanted to be a King. But if they did end up fighting, Jon would have the north behind him. And very likely the Riverlands (who just about always side with the North) and The Storm Lands (Via Gendry). Again, extremely unlikely. It is a good question what would happen if both survive the war, Its just unlikely to be violent. And if you are strictly talking about what will happen if his identity is revealed before the war, thats very simple - nothing will change. They are allies in the war for the dawn. What happens after or if they even survive is anyones guess.
- Tyrion literally has no claim whatsoever to the throne. Roberts Rebellion wasn't to take over the kingdom, it was to get rid of the mad king. So When the Mad king died, the line of succession (for the show) went like this: Rhaegar Targ > Aegon Targ > Jon Snow > Viscerys Targ > Dany Targ > Robert Baratheon > Stannis > Renly > Shireen > Gendry (?). The reason Robert was king is because Rhaegar and Aegon were dead, nobody knew Jons identity, and Viscerys and Dany were in exile in Essos. So Robert literally was the heir to the throne once the rebellion ended, he didn't completely become king just by conquest. Only way Tyrion is even possibly in the line of succession is if you believe the theory he is a Targaryan, which is possible (but extremely unlikely).
