OT: Francois being investigated

DNA matching a suspect's DNA located on the undergarments of the alleged victim/accuser is also evidence a sexual assault took place (albeit less persuasive where, as in Winston's case, the primary defense is that the act was consensual).

Those undergarments also had DNA from Her BF that was coming to visit Her that weekend, the same undergarments that She tried to pass off on Her roommate after it was revealed a 2nd set of DNA was found on em'. Every claim that young lady made was refuted by evidence.
 
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The woman said the argument began because Francois grew upset that a friend of his tried to "talk to her." She said Francois broke down the bedroom door, picked her up, threw her onto the ground and cut her forearm, and tried to physically kick her out of the residence.

The woman told police she was nine weeks pregnant and that she had previously told Francois about the pregnancy, so "he should have known."

The woman said she did not want to press charges and told police she did not want Francois to get into "trouble trouble," but she wanted police to speak with him "to scare him a little."

The second an officer hears a girlfriend say that her boyfriend picked her up and threw her to the ground, and has a cut...the handcuffs go on the boyfriend. It's as simple as that in Florida. There is no decline to prosecute. There is no "oh I don't want my boyfriend to get in trouble."

AND, if she is pregnant, that is an aggravating circumstance that would increase the level of the charge.

Sounds like text book aggravated domestic battery.
 
The woman said the argument began because Francois grew upset that a friend of his tried to "talk to her." She said Francois broke down the bedroom door, picked her up, threw her onto the ground and cut her forearm, and tried to physically kick her out of the residence.

The woman told police she was nine weeks pregnant and that she had previously told Francois about the pregnancy, so "he should have known."

The woman said she did not want to press charges and told police she did not want Francois to get into "trouble trouble," but she wanted police to speak with him "to scare him a little."

The second an officer hears a girlfriend say that her boyfriend picked her up and threw her to the ground, and has a cut...the handcuffs go on the boyfriend. It's as simple as that in Florida. There is no decline to prosecute. There is no "oh I don't want my boyfriend to get in trouble."

AND, if she is pregnant, that is an aggravating circumstance that would increase the level of the charge.

Sounds like text book aggravated domestic battery.

Even if the cop believed Francois' side of the story that he grabbed her and forced her out of the residence, the minute you admit to putting your hands on the female in a domestic case is enough for the cop to arrest you, but not by TPD I guess.
 
The woman said the argument began because Francois grew upset that a friend of his tried to "talk to her." She said Francois broke down the bedroom door, picked her up, threw her onto the ground and cut her forearm, and tried to physically kick her out of the residence.

The woman told police she was nine weeks pregnant and that she had previously told Francois about the pregnancy, so "he should have known."

The woman said she did not want to press charges and told police she did not want Francois to get into "trouble trouble," but she wanted police to speak with him "to scare him a little."

The second an officer hears a girlfriend say that her boyfriend picked her up and threw her to the ground, and has a cut...the handcuffs go on the boyfriend. It's as simple as that in Florida. There is no decline to prosecute. There is no "oh I don't want my boyfriend to get in trouble."

AND, if she is pregnant, that is an aggravating circumstance that would increase the level of the charge.

Sounds like text book aggravated domestic battery.

Even if the cop believed Francois' side of the story that he grabbed her and forced her out of the residence, the minute you admit to putting your hands on the female in a domestic case is enough for the cop to arrest you, but not by TPD I guess.

Exactly.

I worked as a LEO with the PD in Melbourne. When I was on FTO, I had a brain fart and asked the sister who said her brother picked her up and slammed her if she wanted to fill out a decline to prosecute when she said she didn't want him to get in trouble. Wow, you should have seen the look on my training officer's face; silently telling me I was an f'ing moron.

No idea what the TPD is doing up there if it is accurate that the girlfriend did say those things.
 
The woman said the argument began because Francois grew upset that a friend of his tried to "talk to her." She said Francois broke down the bedroom door, picked her up, threw her onto the ground and cut her forearm, and tried to physically kick her out of the residence.

The woman told police she was nine weeks pregnant and that she had previously told Francois about the pregnancy, so "he should have known."

The woman said she did not want to press charges and told police she did not want Francois to get into "trouble trouble," but she wanted police to speak with him "to scare him a little."

The second an officer hears a girlfriend say that her boyfriend picked her up and threw her to the ground, and has a cut...the handcuffs go on the boyfriend. It's as simple as that in Florida. There is no decline to prosecute. There is no "oh I don't want my boyfriend to get in trouble."

AND, if she is pregnant, that is an aggravating circumstance that would increase the level of the charge.

Sounds like text book aggravated domestic battery.

Even if the cop believed Francois' side of the story that he grabbed her and forced her out of the residence, the minute you admit to putting your hands on the female in a domestic case is enough for the cop to arrest you, but not by TPD I guess.
None of what you wrote is actually true; that’s more “urban myth” than fact. A good friend is an officer, but not in Florida so I just googled the policy and there is NO OBLIGATION TO ARREST.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
741.29 Domestic violence; investigation of incidents; notice to victims of legal rights and remedies; reporting.—
(1) Any law enforcement officer who investigates an alleged incident of domestic violence shall assist the victim to obtain medical treatment if such is required as a result of the alleged incident to which the officer responds. Any law enforcement officer who investigates an alleged incident of domestic violence shall advise the victim of such violence that there is a domestic violence center from which the victim may receive services. The law enforcement officer shall give the victim immediate notice of the legal rights and remedies available on a standard form developed and distributed by the department. As necessary, the department shall revise the Legal Rights and Remedies Notice to Victims to include a general summary of s. 741.30 using simple English as well as Spanish, and shall distribute the notice as a model form to be used by all law enforcement agencies throughout the state. The notice shall include:
(a) The resource listing, including telephone number, for the area domestic violence center designated by the Department of Children and Families; and
(b) A copy of the following statement: “IF YOU ARE THE VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, you may ask the state attorney to file a criminal complaint. You also have the right to go to court and file a petition requesting an injunction for protection from domestic violence which may include, but need not be limited to, provisions which restrain the abuser from further acts of abuse; direct the abuser to leave your household; prevent the abuser from entering your residence, school, business, or place of employment; award you custody of your minor child or children; and direct the abuser to pay support to you and the minor children if the abuser has a legal obligation to do so.”
(2) When a law enforcement officer investigates an allegation that an incident of domestic violence has occurred, the officer shall handle the incident pursuant to the arrest policy provided in s. 901.15(7), and as developed in accordance with subsections (3), (4), and (5). Whether or not an arrest is made, the officer shall make a written police report that is complete and clearly indicates the alleged offense was an incident of domestic violence. Such report shall be given to the officer’s supervisor and filed with the law enforcement agency in a manner that will permit data on domestic violence cases to be compiled. Such report must include:
(a) A description of physical injuries observed, if any.
(b) If a law enforcement officer decides not to make an arrest or decides to arrest two or more parties, the officer shall include in the report the grounds for not arresting anyone or for arresting two or more parties.
(c) A statement which indicates that a copy of the legal rights and remedies notice was given to the victim.
Whenever possible, the law enforcement officer shall obtain a written statement from the victim and witnesses concerning the alleged domestic violence. The officer shall submit the report to the supervisor or other person to whom the employer’s rules or policies require reports of similar allegations of criminal activity to be made. The law enforcement agency shall, without charge, send a copy of the initial police report, as well as any subsequent, supplemental, or related report, which excludes victim/witness statements or other materials that are part of an active criminal investigation and are exempt from disclosure under chapter 119, to the nearest locally certified domestic violence center within 24 hours after the agency’s receipt of the report. The report furnished to the domestic violence center must include a narrative description of the domestic violence incident.
(3) Whenever a law enforcement officer determines upon probable cause that an act of domestic violence has been committed within the jurisdiction the officer may arrest the person or persons suspected of its commission and charge such person or persons with the appropriate crime. The decision to arrest and charge shall not require consent of the victim or consideration of the relationship of the parties.
(4)(a) When complaints are received from two or more parties, the officers shall evaluate each complaint separately to determine whether there is probable cause for arrest.
(b) If a law enforcement officer has probable cause to believe that two or more persons have committed a misdemeanor or felony, or if two or more persons make complaints to the officer, the officer shall try to determine who was the primary aggressor. Arrest is the preferred response only with respect to the primary aggressor and not the preferred response with respect to a person who acts in a reasonable manner to protect or defend oneself or another family or household member from domestic violence.
(5) No law enforcement officer shall be held liable, in any civil action, for an arrest based on probable cause, enforcement in good faith of a court order, or service of process in good faith under this chapter arising from an alleged incident of domestic violence brought by any party to the incident.
 
The woman said the argument began because Francois grew upset that a friend of his tried to "talk to her." She said Francois broke down the bedroom door, picked her up, threw her onto the ground and cut her forearm, and tried to physically kick her out of the residence.

The woman told police she was nine weeks pregnant and that she had previously told Francois about the pregnancy, so "he should have known."

The woman said she did not want to press charges and told police she did not want Francois to get into "trouble trouble," but she wanted police to speak with him "to scare him a little."

The second an officer hears a girlfriend say that her boyfriend picked her up and threw her to the ground, and has a cut...the handcuffs go on the boyfriend. It's as simple as that in Florida. There is no decline to prosecute. There is no "oh I don't want my boyfriend to get in trouble."

AND, if she is pregnant, that is an aggravating circumstance that would increase the level of the charge.

Sounds like text book aggravated domestic battery.

Even if the cop believed Francois' side of the story that he grabbed her and forced her out of the residence, the minute you admit to putting your hands on the female in a domestic case is enough for the cop to arrest you, but not by TPD I guess.
None of what you wrote is actually true; that’s more “urban myth” than fact. A good friend is an officer, but not in Florida so I just googled the policy and there is NO OBLIGATION TO ARREST.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
741.29 Domestic violence; investigation of incidents; notice to victims of legal rights and remedies; reporting.—
(1) Any law enforcement officer who investigates an alleged incident of domestic violence shall assist the victim to obtain medical treatment if such is required as a result of the alleged incident to which the officer responds. Any law enforcement officer who investigates an alleged incident of domestic violence shall advise the victim of such violence that there is a domestic violence center from which the victim may receive services. The law enforcement officer shall give the victim immediate notice of the legal rights and remedies available on a standard form developed and distributed by the department. As necessary, the department shall revise the Legal Rights and Remedies Notice to Victims to include a general summary of s. 741.30 using simple English as well as Spanish, and shall distribute the notice as a model form to be used by all law enforcement agencies throughout the state. The notice shall include:
(a) The resource listing, including telephone number, for the area domestic violence center designated by the Department of Children and Families; and
(b) A copy of the following statement: “IF YOU ARE THE VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, you may ask the state attorney to file a criminal complaint. You also have the right to go to court and file a petition requesting an injunction for protection from domestic violence which may include, but need not be limited to, provisions which restrain the abuser from further acts of abuse; direct the abuser to leave your household; prevent the abuser from entering your residence, school, business, or place of employment; award you custody of your minor child or children; and direct the abuser to pay support to you and the minor children if the abuser has a legal obligation to do so.”
(2) When a law enforcement officer investigates an allegation that an incident of domestic violence has occurred, the officer shall handle the incident pursuant to the arrest policy provided in s. 901.15(7), and as developed in accordance with subsections (3), (4), and (5). Whether or not an arrest is made, the officer shall make a written police report that is complete and clearly indicates the alleged offense was an incident of domestic violence. Such report shall be given to the officer’s supervisor and filed with the law enforcement agency in a manner that will permit data on domestic violence cases to be compiled. Such report must include:
(a) A description of physical injuries observed, if any.
(b) If a law enforcement officer decides not to make an arrest or decides to arrest two or more parties, the officer shall include in the report the grounds for not arresting anyone or for arresting two or more parties.
(c) A statement which indicates that a copy of the legal rights and remedies notice was given to the victim.
Whenever possible, the law enforcement officer shall obtain a written statement from the victim and witnesses concerning the alleged domestic violence. The officer shall submit the report to the supervisor or other person to whom the employer’s rules or policies require reports of similar allegations of criminal activity to be made. The law enforcement agency shall, without charge, send a copy of the initial police report, as well as any subsequent, supplemental, or related report, which excludes victim/witness statements or other materials that are part of an active criminal investigation and are exempt from disclosure under chapter 119, to the nearest locally certified domestic violence center within 24 hours after the agency’s receipt of the report. The report furnished to the domestic violence center must include a narrative description of the domestic violence incident.
(3) Whenever a law enforcement officer determines upon probable cause that an act of domestic violence has been committed within the jurisdiction the officer may arrest the person or persons suspected of its commission and charge such person or persons with the appropriate crime. The decision to arrest and charge shall not require consent of the victim or consideration of the relationship of the parties.
(4)(a) When complaints are received from two or more parties, the officers shall evaluate each complaint separately to determine whether there is probable cause for arrest.
(b) If a law enforcement officer has probable cause to believe that two or more persons have committed a misdemeanor or felony, or if two or more persons make complaints to the officer, the officer shall try to determine who was the primary aggressor. Arrest is the preferred response only with respect to the primary aggressor and not the preferred response with respect to a person who acts in a reasonable manner to protect or defend oneself or another family or household member from domestic violence.
(5) No law enforcement officer shall be held liable, in any civil action, for an arrest based on probable cause, enforcement in good faith of a court order, or service of process in good faith under this chapter arising from an alleged incident of domestic violence brought by any party to the incident.

Did I say automatic arrest? No, I said you admit to grabbing a woman during a domestic abuse call and that is enough for them to arrest you. Going with 95+% of the average I would say it is a good chance that once you admit to putting your hands on a woman you go to jail.
 
Domestic Battery is the only statute in Florida...I believe...that if a decision to not arrest is made, there must be a written explanation submitted to your supervisory officer. Also, once the primary aggressor is identified through probable cause investigation, arrest is the PREFERRED action. Thus, it is **** near uniform across the state that each law enforcement agency has it written in their SOP that an arrest must be made. This is to protect the victim, the agency, and the officer in the event the primary aggressor was the inflict further injury to the victim in the event an arrest is not made.

Perhaps it is in the TPD SOP to not have a mandatory arrest in the case of domestic battery. But the fact that this is seemingly an aggravated domestic battery, I can't see a valid reason to not affect and arrest upon the primary aggressor.
 
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It’s not that cut and dried. The statute says as much. 95% is just not factual, and anecdotally, I’ve had officers say it’s not automatic because the officer can use his brain that “admitting to grabbing/putting hands on” doesn’t mean that the man was the aggressor, meaning he doesn’t have to arrest him.

The long and the short is that Francois had witnesses that corroborated his story and she didn’t. Hate the guy if you want, but if he’s not guilty then he should not be arrested or charged.

But we live in an evidence-free era where people believe what they want no matter the facts.
 
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But the fact that this is seemingly an aggravated domestic battery, I can't see a valid reason to not affect and arrest upon the primary aggressor.

He's the one that called the cops and described Her as the primary aggressor, He also had a witness that corroborated His account of what happened.
 
I'm going with what has been stated for this case. Granted, it's all hearsay and I wasn't there to investigate this in person. That's why I said if the girlfriend did say those things, did have a cut, and the boyfriend did say he touched her, that in most cases is what you would need for an arrest. And, I don't personally know of an agency that does not have an SOP stating that under those circumstances and arrest is mandatory.

Obviously things get twisted through the grapevine of the internet, but I am stating what would happen given what has been presented here based on my training and experience.
 
If this is true, and it really was a clusterf*ck of he said she said and a primary aggressor could not be identified, it must be in writing. Maybe someone can request the police report and see what the reasoning was in black and white from the responding officer. Who knows, maybe it's valid that an arrest wasn't made. Maybe it was a cover up as many people think. I can only go by what is said in the public forum...which is admittedly dangerous.
 
That's why I said if the girlfriend did say those things, did have a cut, and the boyfriend did say he touched her, that in most cases is what you would need for an arrest.

He said that She was breaking vases in the apartment, very likely that She got that cut from broken glass ricocheting off the floor and hitting her...IDK. And He did admit to touching Her, but as a restraint because She was breaking vases & trying to pull TVs off the wall.
 
If this is true, and it really was a clusterf*ck of he said she said and a primary aggressor could not be identified, it must be in writing. Maybe someone can request the police report and see what the reasoning was in black and white from the responding officer. Who knows, maybe it's valid that an arrest wasn't made. Maybe it was a cover up as many people think. I can only go by what is said in the public forum...which is admittedly dangerous.

You worry too much about facts, Counselor Dude.

It's a new day. Remember, they always say: if you don't have the facts, you argue the law. If the law is not on your side, you argue facts. If you've got neither, go for obstruction of justice.
 
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His own admission he put his hands on her.

Because She was in His apartment breaking His $h!t and trying to pull His TV off the wall, according to Him & White.

Also according to Him, He "put His hands on Her" to restrain Her, let Her go when She started to swing on Him.

If what Him & His teammate stated are correct, then She's the one that needs to be charged with DV & making false accusations.

I dunno...strange hairdo (to one my age), manbun you call it, and lots of vases...when I was younger we'd decorate our apts with lots of empty liquor bottles....but not vases.

I know this isn't crystal like Carl Lewis had, but still, vases?
 
This thread should be fun.

Waiting on those cane fans that think. If a woman calls them a nasty word or tries to slap them. It's ok to cave her face in because woman should be treated like men for these situations.

I don't usually see men slapping other men, at least where I've been. If they did, I'd expect they'd just slap back and not "cave their face in."
 
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