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Liberty City El said:
I'm a Ravens fan & nothing's makes me happier than our annual *** whoopin of the Dolphins every year lol...

But, I also think you guys are on the right track with Flores.

I would stay away from drafting Tua though, that hip injury ain't no joke & he's a lefty, plus he's a Bama QB, which means high bust rate.

If I'm Miami I would take Justin Herbert or take a chance on Hurts in the 2nd or 3rd round, his development under Lincoln Riley has increased his NFL viability by a lot. Jim Caldwell & Chad O'Shea would do well with him.
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**** no to Herbert I'll take hurts or Love tho
 
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DMoney said:
The Tank for a QB thing is overrated.

The best QBs in the league this year, no order: Lamar, Mahomes, Watson, Wilson, Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Dak, Jimmy G, Cousins.

Not a single one of them was a Top 5 pick.
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Yet people are seething LOL.

Say Miami fully embraced tank-mode and Joe Brady never goes to LSU. We'd have to reach for Herbert or take Chase Young at #1 and the fans would be even more upset. A great coach is much more valuable than a great QB and Cincy will be proof of this in 2020 when they choose Burrow and win 4 games.
 
Miami isn't beating the Patriots next week, so we're going to pick 4th or 5th. Will Tua be there? Will we want him?

I think it's a lot easier to take Tua 5th than 3rd. There's a sizable drop off after Burrow/Young, so I say fvck it, just draft Tua and call it a day, assuming his medicals check out, which is what they're expecting.
 
CanesFan93 said:
Yet people are seething LOL.

Say Miami fully embraced tank-mode and Joe Brady never goes to LSU. We'd have to reach for Herbert or take Chase Young at #1 and the fans would be even more upset. A great coach is much more valuable than a great QB and Cincy will be proof of this in 2020 when they choose Burrow and win 4 games.
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Only because of the actions that prompted the "tank-mode" theory.....trading 2 Pro Bowl players on rookie deals. It is highly unlikely you will hit on those 1st rounders and get Pro Bowlers to replace Pro Bowlers. It's not a cap move bc we have money.

Flores has done well, better than i ever expected, but he's not without fault. He was stubborn with Minkah instead of playing him at FS. He was stubborn by KEEPING McCain at FS when that guy is nothing more than a slot. He lucked into safeties getting hurt and moving Rowe over, which has been an improvement for him. But as well as that defense had been playing, it just gave up 400 yards passing and 35 points to Dalton.

My biggest concerns moving forward are 2
1 - QB. Who will it be? How much will it cost us?
2 - Front office. They've made some bad draft picks and even worse contract extensions/signings.
 
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PSU Cane said:
Only because of the actions that prompted the "tank-mode" theory.....trading 2 Pro Bowl players on rookie deals. It is highly unlikely you will hit on those 1st rounders and get Pro Bowlers to replace Pro Bowlers. It's not a cap move bc we have money.

Flores has done well, better than i ever expected, but he's not without fault. He was stubborn with Minkah instead of playing him at FS. He was stubborn by KEEPING McCain at FS when that guy is nothing more than a slot. He lucked into safeties getting hurt and moving Rowe over, which has been an improvement for him. But as well as that defense had been playing, it just gave up 400 yards passing and 35 points to Dalton.

My biggest concerns moving forward are 2
1 - QB. Who will it be? How much will it cost us?
2 - Front office. They've made some bad draft picks and even worse contract extensions/signings.
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They were well into that theory before Minkah and Tunsil were traded which is why I'm always confused when folks bring it up. Those trades just ramped the conversation up. Considering the draft is a crapshoot, there's no guarantee that any team hits on their picks. What's done is what's done. If we're fully embracing the Patriots "way", Tunsil would have been a cap casualty as NE rarely if ever holds on to the players that they draft.

Flores is definitely without fault and I'd like to know more regarding the Minkah situation. I also think Minkah, regardless if he or Flores would have gotten along, would behave similarly because of the "tank" talk going around the league. This is a guy who wasn't used to losing at Bama going into a new situation in which the team underachieved followed by what was considered an even worse situation in which the team is being said to tank with a new coach(es). Flores is the coach and if he wants Minkah at several positions to help the talent deficiency in the secondary then he has to make that sacrifice. Every player isnt going to walk into a favorable situation. Just like Fitzy, Dalton is able to put up absurd numbers especially against a defense full of practice squad players.

1. My guess is that it's either
A. Tua - Top 10 pick
B. Love - Could possibly audition his way into the Top 25.
C. Fromm- Can be had early Day 2 though someone may take a flyer on him on Day 1.

2. The front office has been stable for the past two years with no bad contracts. Not to mention Tunsil, Drake, Jakeem, Xavien, Minkah, Gesicki, Baker, and Wilkins over the past three years.
 
PSU Cane said:
To win consistently and be more than a .500 team, you need a QB. Those are hard to come by and higher in the draft usually helps unless you can't lighting in a bottle with a guy like Mahomes. High picks also allows you to grab one early 2nd (Carr) or trade back up to late 1 (Jackson). If you give up all your other draft ammo to trade up for one, you can't fill in the other gaping holes on that roster, especially after trading away a Pro Bowl LT and Pro Bowl FS.
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Great summary. The Dolphins are now dependent on other teams making mistakes in front of them. If the tank was successful they controlled their own fate. Flores may look like a tough guy but without the quarterback nothing of consequence will happen. It is very easy to win 4 games with a team whose season win over/under was 4.5. The nonsense was overreacting to the early claims of worst team of all time. Apparently not many people remember the hapless expansion 1976 Buccaneers.

The geniuses who dismiss the value of a high pick are the same type of knotheads who knock preseason ratings in college football. Nothing like savoring time and place trivia while ignoring the mathematical realities that logically play out over time. Today's Dolphin win was particularly harmful because it drops Miami out of the coveted Top 4. There has always been a noted drop off from 4th pick to the next tier, using basically whatever time frame you are talking about, or which criteria.

Here is one link that looks at Hall of Fame members since 1977 based on draft position in the first round, and then every subsequent round plus undrafted. The dispersion is extremely logical. Very high first round is where you have by far the best chance to identify an ultra elite. The same type of dispersion will apply if you looked at a list like this 50 years from now. It is always preferable to be high round 1 than mid 1...mid 1 than low 1...2 than 3...and so forth.

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NFL draft: Where are Hall of Famers selected?

Since the 1977 NFL draft, when it was pared down to 12 rounds, there have been 70 Hall of Famers selected … and three unselected. Of those, a grand total of six have been No. 1 overall picks: Earl Campbell, John Elway, Steve Young (1984 supplemental draft), Bruce Smith, Troy Aikman and Orlando Pace.
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Interesting there has never been a HOF player selected 7th or 15th overall. At least through 2017...
 
Dolphins have the coach. Now it’s about maxing out the six picks in Top 70 that they have in 2020 draft. Take your QB, probably Tua, and then load up the OL and DL with the other 5 picks.

Also, Dolphins have $110mm in cap space in 2020, plus two 1st rd and two 2nd rd picks in 2021. They can get really good fast.
 
If they don't end up with Tua this year, I'd looooooove for them to take Justin Fields in 21'...Fields reminds me of Elway.
 
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BS85 said:
I don't pay attention to the Dolphins but why is Tannehill so much better with a new coaching staff?
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Give him a chance. Dude is HC firing machine. HC in college got canned his senior year. Then dumbass was OC a Maimi when they drafted him. OC and HC fired not long thereafter nexy Hc got the Trump your fired thing. Might be a couple more, I loss count.
 
DMoney said:
Flores has done an amazing job. Tanking is for losers. Give me a winning culture.
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Don't disagree with you often but this middle of the pack crap has been death to the fins. Of course, they suck with high draft picks too. Team has never recovered from losing Joe Thomas as Personnel director. Should had made him GM just to keep him. Of course we owe a great thanks to them for getting of him for he is the guy who fired our beloved Howard as HC of the Giants. That was shy he was back with the fins and available to us. SO Thomas gave us the Perfect Season Team(he knew what to do with high draft picks) and the man who started the Glory Days.
 
Gatorhater said:
Don't disagree with you often but this middle of the pack crap has been death to the fins. Of course, they suck with high draft picks too. Team has never recovered from losing Joe Thomas as Personnel director. Should had made him GM just to keep him. Of course we owe a great thanks to them for getting of him for he is the guy who fired our beloved Howard as HC of the Giants. That was shy he was back with the fins and available to us. SO Thomas gave us the Perfect Season Team(he knew what to do with high draft picks) and the man who started the Glory Days.
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The thing here is that Miami has a ton of picks in a loaded draft. The wins aren't a byproduct of mortgaging the future.

They stripped down every piece of the roster, acquired an obscene amount of picks, and won some games anyway. That's different to me.
 
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