Ok. Not a thread for stadium deniers

I've had the opportunity to speak with the Ruiz family on this and I'm going to say that the stadium is happening and there's no doubt about it. They are currently narrowing down the sites to three prime locations and I will mention those sites when that decision takes place. The capacity of the stadium will depend on the site and what the location is limited to.
Have they looked at Dadeland Mall? 73 acres with two metro rail stops and a highway on either side. It's almost the same exact size as the property for Allegiant Stadium (65k). A smaller stadium without a roll out field could help with the parking issue.

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btw building something new in Miami that takes up a ton of space to use 7 times a year is dumb.. If its like 200M Id rather add 5M to pay for better coaches for 40 years

You really think the stadiums just get used 7 times a year?
 
you would need like 100 acres if not more for parking. you'd have to pave the park
I had no idea how big Hard Rock property and parking was.. I'm not exactly sure if this is all game parking or not but.... 283 acres.

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Tropical Park is even bigger at almost 300 acres..

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The Baylor stadium is also a good model built in a small space with limited access - they built a bridge over the river from campus and it is surrounded by highway and interstates. Very limited parking area outside the stadium.

Very well engineered flow of traffic and walkways and utilization of pre-existing parking.

It's also the open-ended bowl design similar to the Orange Bowl. Wasn't all that expensive to build. I think the whole project cost them $250-260M
It's also in WACO so land acquisition was pathetically cheap. To build that anywhere near campus, you'd have to spend 2-3x what they did and that's on the low end.
 
I had no idea how big Hard Rock property and parking was.. I'm not exactly sure if this is all game parking or not but.... 283 acres.

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Tropical Park is even bigger at almost 300 acres..

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Good map work here.

Unfortunately, that is no longer the parking situation at Hard Rock. The west side is in a state of disarray due to construction for the F1 course. Thanks, Stephen Ross.
 
It's also in WACO so land acquisition was pathetically cheap. To build that anywhere near campus, you'd have to spend 2-3x what they did and that's on the low end.
Yes I know the land acquisition would be far more expensive. The actual cost of the stadium itself shouldn't exceed that too much.. although it sounds like Ruiz is planning to spend $500-600M regardless.
 
Have they looked at Dadeland Mall? 73 acres with two metro rail stops and a highway on either side. It's almost the same exact size as the property for Allegiant Stadium (65k). A smaller stadium without a roll out field could help with the parking issue.

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hilarious. you think Simon is going to sell Dadeland Mall? por favor. video game world.
 
Good map work here.

Unfortunately, that is no longer the parking situation at Hard Rock. The west side is in a state of disarray due to construction for the F1 course. Thanks, Stephen Ross.
I've read quite a bit on here about how ****ed the parking is there now. That land area is huge but I dunno how bad the parking was before the tennis courts and F1 stuff. I think I read that Allegiant stadium expects like 35k to park offsite. That's going to be a big issue for any place other than Tropical Park imo. I guess you can go vertical with parking but it still seems like a traffic nightmare. A new stadium eliminates any serious tailgating at any location other than Tropical Park.
 
So it’s better to rent than own... so Joe Robbie rented his stadium. So I should sell my house and tent from now on. I know that there is more than one big player that feels that they can help the U have it’s own stadium without breaking the schools budget... I’m sure they are working on this issue as we debate whether to stay or to give Mr. Ross a well deserved middle finger.
BTW...
Broward County doesn’t own Canes football.

HRS is in miami dade technically, but the fans come from miami, Broward, and palm beach and beyond. the location of HRS is hard to beat with how easy it is to access for people from all over. don't make the mistake the marlins did with the relocation
 
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hilarious. you think Simon is going to sell Dadeland Mall? por favor. video game world.
I have no idea if he'll sell it.. the whole thread is nothing but speculation anyway. Billions of dollars that don't exist yet are the driving force. I'm just looking at land that COULD fit a stadium and is close to UM.
 
First off, Miami Gardens is the worst city in the third world. Secondably, just rename us the Ft. Lauderdale Hurricanes if we're going to stay at HRS. Teams that come to play against UM stay at hotels in Ft. Lauderdale and that makes my stomach turn.
 
I've read quite a bit on here about how ****ed the parking is there now. That land area is huge but I dunno how bad the parking was before the tennis courts and F1 stuff. I think I read that Allegiant stadium expects like 35k to park offsite. That's going to be a big issue for any place other than Tropical Park imo. I guess you can go vertical with parking but it still seems like a traffic nightmare. A new stadium eliminates any serious tailgating at any location other than Tropical Park.
Parking was heavily trafficked but at least there was a lot of it. Now, the west lot is ****ed. They've been using a dirt lot across 27 (I'm not kidding) and Calder.

I am unclear as to what the permanent situation will be, once the race is run.

This construction has turned a manageable parking situation into an awful one.
 
I had no idea how big Hard Rock property and parking was.. I'm not exactly sure if this is all game parking or not but.... 283 acres.

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Tropical Park is even bigger at almost 300 acres..

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so you are going to pave the entire park or most of it for parking? It's a park used by thousands of people every day, including baseball and softball leagues.
 
The world of commercial retail has gone to he[[. I know lots of owners who are trying to sell..................................
have you seen how Simon is transforming the mall? there are more restaurants than ever. Hotels are being built. Less retail. Malls may be going obsolete but the land underneath them isn't. That land will be transformed to other uses.
 
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People can park on the grassy areas of Tropical Park. You could fit a million cars in there. Getting in and out would take a while but that's not always a picnic at HRS anyway.
 
Im hopeful that any new stadium finds a way to recreate the Orange Bowl neighborhood vibe. I wanna see street meat vendors and neighborhood parking. Anything besides a **** multi-story concrete parking garage.
Well you're not gonna get that in Coral Gables, I can guarantee you lol. Probably not at Tropical Park or any of the other proposed sites either. The reality is that with modern zoning requirements and NIMBYism, you simply cannot build something like the OB anymore. It's such a travesty that we tore that place down.
 
Other than better bathrooms, better concessions, better parking, better seats, better access you are Ok with everything else the same?
I'd take the Orange Bowl replica, even with the old restrooms, if it came with the Cane and Dolphin Glory! And, this from someone who missed two of the five NFL records Danny Marino broke against Dallas on the last Monday Night game of that season, while I was waiting in the line to get rid of all the beer.
 
so you are going to pave the entire park or most of it for parking? It's a park used by thousands of people every day, including baseball and softball leagues.
I'm not doing anything. Is all of Hard Rock paved? I'm just pointing out the size of the property and comparing it to HRS property. This thread is for speculation not stadium deniers. I'm aware a new stadium near UM is a pipe dream but who knows what a guy with Billions of dollars can get done. Maybe he goes to the intersection of 825 and 41 and builds a park twice the size so he can have TP for his stadium. There's thousands of acres out there and 836 goes right to them.
 
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