Official State Penn job as it relates to Golden Thread

[Canefam]

I think there is a good chance he leaves. He will have more resources, better facilities, and less expectations.

And NO chance of of repeatedly going to the NC...

 

[caneforever]

Isn't Penn St. AG's dream job? He's Gone! Congrats on the article!

 

[DiegoCane]

The university of Miami will be quite fine if Al Golden takes the PSU job. I believe Schiano could and would step right in nicely. Great timing in this regard.


I will say this: If Al Golden abandons this recruiting class, I will never again call a kid out for flip flopping, changing commitments, taking benefits, etc. If its okay for capital, its okay for labor.

Schiano would be a TERRIBLE hire and would not step in "nicely".

Another terrible post.

Why would Schiano be a terrible hire if this all went down?

Which I don't think it does.

 

[marshallrc13]

I think there is a good chance he leaves. He will have more resources, better facilities, and less expectations.

And NO chance of of repeatedly going to the NC...

Not saying I agree with it. I think Miami is a far better job! Then again I am a Miami fan.

 

[Mangum]

I think there is a good chance he leaves. He will have more resources, better facilities, and less expectations.

Better film equipment too

Regards,
L. Holtz

 

[whoopingcane]

Well, there goes what little, if any chance there was of getting press credentials.

DMontelle, you should call your next site CanesTemple.

 

[WhatTheHell]

According to them, a Golden will be bringing "Stacy Coley" as his offensive coordinator.

Interesting hire.

 

[ramcanes]

I'll throw a name out there, Gruden but Jay Gruden. He's OC with Bengals and prior HC experience.

 

[Bicho]

He has to be trolling us.

no please seriously quote me more stats about total yardage and what happened in the "russell athletic bowl"

Yes, how dare I bring facts into the discussion. Keep telling yourself we had a top 5 offense this year. I'll stick with reality.

I wonder if PPG helps, as that is the most important stat. I think we were around 34 before the RAB.

The notion that Miami had a top 5 offense in 2013 defies logic. Shouldn't a "top 5" offense have a 3rd down conversion rate better than 35%? And how did that "top 5 offense" fare against ranked teams? IIRC, that site that he is linking to also ranked Whipple's offenses highly. We see where that got us.

0-13 or 3rd down or something like that with a month to prepare.

 

[MIA42178]

So Schiano accomplished enough to get hired by nfl team while golden won games at temple.
Ya all realize how bad Rutgers wAs? That Sciano did more there than Golden did at temple?
That Schiano didn't bolt Rutgers after 3 seasons?
That Schiano is a great Defense coach and surrounds himself at TB w guys like Butch while Doh'nofrio is still getting paid here?

Oh but Schiano is a horrible hire? Smdh at the buffoonery around here

 

[Consigliere]

I'll throw a name out there, Gruden but Jay Gruden. He's OC with Bengals and prior HC experience.

Not a bad name, would take over Cristobal, Schiano and Davis.

If we're going coordinators in the NFL, Greg Roman is the guy. He is real young too.

 

[jjapps1985]

We can't afford to lose Al Golden, not right now. I believe we're two recruiting classes away from being where we want to be this years class and next years class. And thats because of the work golden has done rebuilding the trust of the high school coaches in south Fla. Losing golden will set us back 3 to 4 more years. All I'm saying is be careful what you wish for. The grass ain't always greener.

 

[MoSikes]

Schiano is more cult leader than coach. He has his way with his guys, and the big time kids aren't going to put up with that stuff, just like the NFL guys didn't. He's a good 2nd in command, but can't run the show at a major program. He's a better fit for making a bad team look average-good.

 

[Consigliere]

So Schiano accomplished enough to get hired by nfl team while golden won games at temple.
Ya all realize how bad Rutgers wAs? That Sciano did more there than Golden did at temple?
That Schiano didn't bolt Rutgers after 3 seasons?
That Schiano is a great Defense coach and surrounds himself at TB w guys like Butch while Doh'nofrio is still getting paid here?

Oh but Schiano is a horrible hire? Smdh at the buffoonery around here

First of all, teams in the NFL make terrible decisions all the times. Tampa Bay made another terrible decision. This isn't something new either. See Chan Gailey, how many times did he have to fail? Teams will always make bad decisions.

Second, what did Schiano accomplish? 11 years at Rutgers, Zero Conference Champs and a 28-48 conference record in the BIG EAST. I am not saying Rutgers was a good program but it's not like he made them something great. He had one decent season where he didn't win the conference and went 11-2. His last 5 years at the program he averaged 5.2 Ls per season.

Third, what does it matter who did more at the prior program (Schiano v. Golden)? We're looking for the best coach available, not just one who did something more at the prior program.

I would strongly pass on Schiano.

Finally, any coach can surround himself with great coaches. That doesn't mean we need to hire this one to do that.

 

[MIA42178]

Schiano is more cult leader than coach. He has his way with his guys, and the big time kids aren't going to put up with that stuff, just like the NFL guys didn't. He's a good 2nd in command, but can't run the show at a major program. He's a better fit for making a bad team look average-good.

Take out nfl part and show me how your opinion shdnt be same for golden.

 

[Consigliere]

Schiano is more cult leader than coach. He has his way with his guys, and the big time kids aren't going to put up with that stuff, just like the NFL guys didn't. He's a good 2nd in command, but can't run the show at a major program. He's a better fit for making a bad team look average-good.

Take out nfl part and show me how your opinion shdnt be same for golden.

Who cares? We're looking for the best coach available, not one that compares to Golden.

 

[Crazy4thecanes]

Reasons he leaves:

Fan support: Let's admit it - we have a horrible fan base. If he took the PSU job he wouldn't have to beg people to attend games. They have an amazing game day atmosphere. (The other 359 days a year you're stuck in State College - but still.)

Doesnt have to make the big decision. He would likely be able to keep his bestie on staff for a handful of years if he jumps. if he stays and a miracle doesn't happen on that side of the ball, they are both in jeopardy.

Job security. Can skate for a few years on the NCAA sanctions excuse all while banking bigger bucks.

More $$$$ + all the facilities you could hope for.

Reasons he stays:
He's smack dab in the middle of recruiting heaven.

The cache of the program = exposure. He doesn't necessarily get off the coaching carousel by staying. it is a NFL pipeline job (if he can manage to straighten this **** out which he hasn't yet!)

He's not done. He has yet to accomplish anything of note and has been absolutely (p)owned by Jimbo (that should give PSU fans some pause. Just think what Urban would do to him. Repeatedly. Forever)

Promises made to players and recruits (weak - I know but for a man of his word.....this should matter)

They'll pay him anything to stay and by just flirting with the PSU job he has gained the upper hand enough to hold off the Fire Dorito crowd.

Did I miss any? I dunno. Just reading this I think he jumps and if we land someone decent I won't be completely upset but I'm just sick to death of the coachig carousel.

 

[LUcanesfan]

Golden knows if he stays here, he will have to "resolve" Doritos' defense. He does not want to fire his best friend from college. Therefore, he will pursue the Penn State job and take his best friend with him. It'll be their homecoming.

I bet he will do the same presentation that he used to get the Miami job. Miami was so in awe from Golden's aura, I bet Penn State will feel the same and offer him the job. Keep in mind PSU said they will have their man in the next few days. The silence from Golden is screaming loader day by day... IMHO, He's gone.

I'm not going to say that Golden was in over his head, but focusing on 9 wins a year is not going to cut it here. At Penn State 9 wins and a trip to the Citrus Bowl is a good year. At Miami, it's the beginning of the end.

 

[itsacanething]

Reasons he leaves:

Fan support: Let's admit it - we have a horrible fan base. If he took the PSU job he wouldn't have to beg people to attend games. They have an amazing game day atmosphere. (The other 359 days a year you're stuck in State College - but still.)

Doesnt have to make the big decision. He would likely be able to keep his bestie on staff for a handful of years if he jumps. if he stays and a miracle doesn't happen on that side of the ball, they are both in jeopardy.

Job security. Can skate for a few years on the NCAA sanctions excuse all while banking bigger bucks.

More $$$$ + all the facilities you could hope for.

Reasons he stays:
He's smack dab in the middle of recruiting heaven.

The cache of the program = exposure. He doesn't necessarily get off the coaching carousel by staying. it is a NFL pipeline job (if he can manage to straighten this **** out which he hasn't yet!)

He's not done. He has yet to accomplish anything of note and has been absolutely (p)owned by Jimbo (that should give PSU fans some pause. Just think what Urban would do to him. Repeatedly. Forever)

Promises made to players and recruits (weak - I know but for a man of his word.....this should matter)

They'll pay him anything to stay and by just flirting with the PSU job he has gained the upper hand enough to hold off the Fire Dorito crowd.

Did I miss any? I dunno. Just reading this I think he jumps and if we land someone decent I won't be completely upset but I'm just sick to death of the coachig carousel.

pretty much hit it on the head. i guess you minimized a little the overall cruddyness of having to live in that part of Pennsylvania. it really is in the middle of nowhere and the weather of course sucks. it is serious torture to ask your family to live there assuming miami can make the money or the overall package somewhat close.

 

[chicanego]

So Schiano accomplished enough to get hired by nfl team while golden won games at temple.
Ya all realize how bad Rutgers wAs? That Sciano did more there than Golden did at temple?
That Schiano didn't bolt Rutgers after 3 seasons?
That Schiano is a great Defense coach and surrounds himself at TB w guys like Butch while Doh'nofrio is still getting paid here?

Oh but Schiano is a horrible hire? Smdh at the buffoonery around here

First of all, teams in the NFL make terrible decisions all the times. Tampa Bay made another terrible decision. This isn't something new either. See Chan Gailey, how many times did he have to fail? Teams will always make bad decisions.

Second, what did Schiano accomplish? 11 years at Rutgers, Zero Conference Champs and a 28-48 conference record in the BIG EAST. I am not saying Rutgers was a good program but it's not like he made them something great. He had one decent season where he didn't win the conference and went 11-2. His last 5 years at the program he averaged 5.2 Ls per season.

Third, what does it matter who did more at the prior program (Schiano v. Golden)? We're looking for the best coach available, not just one who did something more at the prior program.

I would strongly pass on Schiano.

Finally, any coach can surround himself with great coaches. That doesn't mean we need to hire this one to do that.

I've long argued that Golden just needs to be a CEO and surround himself with hotshot coordinators and coaches, but I'm starting to believe that strategy is unsustainable at Miami.

One of my biggest issues with this guy, outside of the fact I don't believe his coaching philosophy "fits" with type of talent at Miami and in south Florida high schools, is that he doesn't seem to bring anything to the table X's and O's wise.

He's supposed to be a defensive mind, but we're fielding some of the worst defenses in recent memory. No adjustments, no improvements, etc. Nevermind the fact some of the players on the roster aren't his guys - we shouldn't be this bad on defense, period.

That tells me we're not dealing with some sort of schematic mastermind and he'll need to find coordinators and coaches to do that for him. However, with coaching turnover and the sheer fact Miami can't afford to shell out the big-time dollars to keep assistants and coordinators at the school long-term, it could be a problem we're always facing.

Say what you want about that hick **** Jimbo - he can call plays and doesn't need to rely on the skills of an offensive coordinator to succeed on the offensive side of the ball. He probably could have kept James Coley had he relinquished playcalling duties, but why do that when Jimbo implements his own strategy that can succeed.

I just don't know if we can sustain success as a program with a head coach who really doesn't bring a whole to the table on gameday. I think Golden is a good recruiter and a pretty solid evaluator of talent, which is valuable, but he might need to be more to win here.