O-Line Good, RB's Good, Cannot Run the Ball. Explain it to Me.

I mentioned this earlier to @PIPO . That’s self scouting , they run the qb sneak to death buy always have some action to use off it if they need a play. Washington sold out and we ran a sweep to the outside. Nice counter by Brian Johnson / Siriani. That’s why I wish we’d leak our rb’s or te’s out when they sell max protection. Delays would be automatic at this point.
Yes sir!!

Also, I am surprised we haven’t implemented this play the Eagles run to perfection. We have O-line gurus for coaches, a very good O-line, blocking tight ends and a #4 is a pretty strong WR.

Run it on 3rd & 4th & short.

****, Mario could call Stoutland and get the finer details if necessary.
 
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But they aren’t loading the box. That’s what’s crazy. There’s normally 6-7 in the box and they’re dropping at the snap. We have the numbers advantages some plays and still can’t get consistent movement. The run gaje has been hit and cold which is weird.
eh. I’d guess you’d have to define what you mean by ‘loading the box.’ I haven’t counted, though I’m getting the itch to just do it, but I saw a lot of 7 man boxes and even some heavier. We also saw GT smoothly bring down a Safety from a pre-snap 2 deep look and basically say ‘we know you’re running’ out of certain sets. Even when defenders drop post-snap, watch LB and Safety feet, they’re aggressively playing run first on a ton of looks. When Cam is in the slot, there’s a slot defender who looks like he barely cares about the route. Until we put some consistent vertical pressure on the defense and our RBs get some YAC, it’s unlikely to change much.
 
Its one thing for the rb room to be mid but bruh give the defense some eye candy, make them think before we just run right at them..This philosophy of we just bigger and stronger is outdated, we aren’t michigan..Even uva had some runs that made our guys hesitate a little, there is no guessing when and where we are running
Fock Michigan. It was good for 9.5 wins a year for Michigan before they started cheating and they would always lose multiple games to inferior teams that way
 
eh. I’d guess you’d have to define what you mean by ‘loading the box.’ I haven’t counted, though I’m getting the itch to just do it, but I saw a lot of 7 man boxes and even some heavier. We also saw GT smoothly bring down a Safety from a pre-snap 2 deep look and basically say ‘we know you’re running’ out of certain sets. Even when defenders drop post-snap, watch LB and Safety feet, they’re aggressively playing run first on a ton of looks. When Cam is in the slot, there’s a ‘conflict’ slot defender who looks like he barely cares about the route. Until we put some consistent vertical pressure on the defense and our RBs get some YAC, it’s unlikely to change much.
If you’re in 12 personnel facing a 7 man box you should win. Another thing is these are nickel defenses , meaning there’s normally two lb’s and five db’s. We have five OL, six counting Cam and then 7 blockers with the other te. That’s 7 v 7 with a rb being 8.

That’s why I like mixing in more running from 10 and 11 personnel, it makes teams uncomfortable and are less likely to be nosy with the run. They feel much more comfortable seeing 12 personnel that’s tight , it’s much easier to hide your D / coverage facing that.

All that said Clemson is the one team that literally sold out to stop the run and we ran it well.
 
If you’re in 12 personnel facing a 7 man box you should win. Another thing is these are nickel defenses , meaning there’s normally two lb’s and five db’s. We have five OL, six counting Cam and then 7 blockers with the other te. That’s 7 v 7 with a rb being 8.

That’s why I like mixing in more running from 10 and 11 personnel, it makes teams uncomfortable and are less likely to be nosy with the run. They feel much more comfortable seeing 12 personnel that’s tight , it’s much easier to hide your D / coverage facing that.

All that said Clemson is the one team that literally sold out to stop the run and we ran it well.
I saw some 8 man boxes when we started going double tight. The 7 man boxes I referred to were in 11 personnel. I don’t think we’re consistently getting the number matchups (where we’re +1 with the RB) you mentioned. And, as you noted elsewhere, we’re becoming more condensed. But, I’ll check. All I’m asking is to stop adding numbers and inviting run-focused defenders freely filling. I wrote a post last week about how I don’t necessarily want to kick the TE off the field. I simply want the snaps reduced and the 10 personnel snaps elevated. But, if we’re going to play 10 without vertical routes, then that’s just not gonna help as much, either.
 
The running scheme is terrible. The OL is clearly better but we struggle to run against FBS teams.
[BGCOLOR=initial]Take away that 80yd run from a WR and we didn't do so great against Clemson either. [/BGCOLOR]

[BGCOLOR=initial]We aren't a good running team at all. [/BGCOLOR]
we led a ten point fourth quarter comeback with nothing but a ground game against Clemson's D. And then ran it down their throats in OT? Then did the same thing in OT this week? I don't get this thread.
 
The scary thing is people are dropping back 7 in coverage and we still can’t run consistently . The Ol pass blocks well but leaves a lot to be desired with the run game.

As much as we’ve been using 12 personnel you’d think we’d be doing better. I guess some people don’t understand you don’t need to stick your face in the fan every play to run. You can run out of 10-11 personnel occasionally but with an empty box. I know , I know that’s crazy.
I don't know man, our RBs don't take advantage of the opportunities there either.

I have seen OSU in a lot of close games this year because ther OL can't run block. Their star RB comes back this week and goes for 160. The other RB had 6 for 13.

Difference making RBs can make crappy OLs look good. We don't have a Difference making runner that has emerged yet. Makes our run blocking look worse than it is IMO.
 
Talking about running into the D, wtf was Dawson calling on the Fletcher pitch?!?

Run that **** up the gut or pitch it to CJ to the wide side and let him RUN!
 
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we led a ten point fourth quarter comeback with nothing but a ground game against Clemson's D. And then ran it down their throats in OT? Then did the same thing in OT this week? I don't get this thread.
You are correct. I guess when it matters we've been able to run the ball. 1.5 quarters against Clemson+3 overtimes. Other than that if you check the stats or just watch the games you'll notice not much happening against FBS teams.
 
I don't know man, our RBs don't take advantage of the opportunities there either.

I have seen OSU in a lot of close games this year because ther OL can't run block. Their star RB comes back this week and goes for 160. The other RB had 6 for 13.

Difference making RBs can make crappy OLs look good. We don't have a Difference making runner that has emerged yet. Makes our run blocking look worse than it is IMO.
When most were arguing Chaney Vs Parrish, I just wanted anyone who could get us some YAC. Someone validated it with some advanced numbers last week: think Parrish was like 1.8 and Chaney at 2.0. Both below their college peers. That’s just gonna be a tough combination. It all works together. Meanwhile, I saw Haynes King and the GT RB run a high speed train through UNC. ******* ****.
 
Running backs aren't breaking tackles, passing game doesn't threaten the middle of the field pretty much ever and all check down route are to the flats. TVD checked down more against UVA than all other games combined. pretty sure they were tackled every time by the one and only defender.
 
When most were arguing Chaney Vs Parrish, I just wanted anyone who could get us some YAC. Someone validated it with some advanced numbers last week: think Parrish was like 1.8 and Chaney at 2.0. Both below their college peers. That’s just gonna be a tough combination. It all works together. Meanwhile, I saw Haynes King and the GT RB run a high speed train through UNC. ******* ****.
I wonder what Fletcher's YAC looks like. Not a ton of carries to validate.

Really hope Citizen can get on the field this week so we can see what the young man can do.
 
When most were arguing Chaney Vs Parrish, I just wanted anyone who could get us some YAC. Someone validated it with some advanced numbers last week: think Parrish was like 1.8 and Chaney at 2.0. Both below their college peers. That’s just gonna be a tough combination. It all works together. Meanwhile, I saw Haynes King and the GT RB run a high speed train through UNC. ******* ****.
I see majority 7 man boxes unless it’s short yardage. On first downs it’s was always 7. Second and mediums 7 as well. In 11 personnel you have 6 on 7 and the 7th man is the rb , his job is to win the 1-1.
 
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When most were arguing Chaney Vs Parrish, I just wanted anyone who could get us some YAC. Someone validated it with some advanced numbers last week: think Parrish was like 1.8 and Chaney at 2.0. Both below their college peers. That’s just gonna be a tough combination. It all works together. Meanwhile, I saw Haynes King and the GT RB run a high speed train through UNC. ******* ****.
Yup. It's tough to watch.

We don't even have a DJ Dallas or Travis Homer level guy.
 
I wonder what Fletcher's YAC looks like. Not a ton of carries to validate.

Really hope Citizen can get on the field this week so we can see what the young man can do.
Fletcher needs a bigger sample size for sure.

Citizen I am tempering expectations until next year. Usually takes guys until the 2nd year to become themselves again.
 
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I don't know man, our RBs don't take advantage of the opportunities there either.

I have seen OSU in a lot of close games this year because ther OL can't run block. Their star RB comes back this week and goes for 160. The other RB had 6 for 13.

Difference making RBs can make crappy OLs look good. We don't have a Difference making runner that has emerged yet. Makes our run blocking look worse than it is IMO.
It’s a good point. I don’t want to just paint broad brush strokes but I find myself saying “that was close to a huge play” a lot

Like one missed tackle many times

Fletcher has had a couple plays where he made a guy miss, Allen obviously embarrassed one guy, but it’s our receivers at times too. Not consistently winning the one on one battles
 
But they aren’t loading the box. That’s what’s crazy. There’s normally 6-7 in the box and they’re dropping at the snap. We have the numbers advantages some plays and still can’t get consistent movement. The run gaje has been hit and cold which is weird.
Complete non-expert opinion here, but I feel like we run the ball better against a stacked box this year. When the OL has to block 4 it seems like they all look around for someone to block and don't actually clear a lane. When they have to just block someone in their face each of these 5 dudes is more than capable. Maybe it's a zone vs man scheme thing?
 
I see majority 7 man boxes unless it’s short yardage. On first downs it’s was always 7. Second and mediums 7 as well. In 11 personnel you have 6 on 7 and the 7th man is the rb , his job is to win the 1-1.
LMAO. I started to re-watch the game now to count boxes and ran across this on 3rd and 1.

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Talk about a dead play from the snap.

Seen some nice run blitzes already. Also, so far, have watched them copy a GT move of getting a Safety moving forward to fill off the snap.
 
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