Notre Dame

I remember you from last year. How u been, our resident Crying Irish fan?
Been doing well! How are you guys doing? I have been busy. Got a new Athletic Director job so it has been a lot of building. It is at a school that hasn't ever had sports, so building something from scratch is quite a lot of infrastructure to build. But it is fun.

When I have time I have been checking out some season previews. You guys are the only opposing board I really got involved in. I guess you all grew on me, lol. You are passionate about your team, just like I am about the Irish. With good reason. You guys look stacked. I personally think college football is better when ND and Miami are good, but I am biased. Do you guys have any question marks about your team going in, or do you think you are pretty loaded everywhere? From the outside looking in, I would guess linebacker maybe? I mean, I know you return Mo Toure (He is a stud), is your other LB back too? I can't remember. Other than that, man, don't see a ton of weaknesses? Is your kicker back? He was tough. Your secondary looks awfully good and your O looks scary. I would say your o line would be a question, but honestly, as long as Mario and Mirabel are in Miami Gardens, I don't think that is a realistic concern. Would you guys agree with that? Would love to hear all your thoughts. And if you want to give me crap, that's cool too, haha. I am on your board, after all...
 
I want to caveat that what I say below isn’t meant to be a personal attack on you, I appreciate you willing to politely banter with an opposing fan base. I would tell any Notre Dame fan that they should be ashamed of their HC.

To quote Eminem: “What’s the difference between us, we can start at the *****.” **** would freeze over before Mario Cristobal would voluntarily skip a chance to get his players another football game. The only way I understand it is by looking at it from the perspective of a spoiled rich kid who got told
“No” for the first time in his life. Whatever similarities UM and ND may have - it ends there. If the situation had been reversed and Miami got jumped by ND for the last playoff spot, and you told Cristobal that UM should skip the bowl game in protest- Not only would you get laughed out of the room, he would probably punch you in the face.


I have more respect for loser Mike Norvell than Freeman. FSU got absolutely hosed worse than Notre Dame when they got left out of the final 4. Did they sit out? No, they still accepted the bowl game and got their *** kicked. Some people argued they should have refused to accept the bowl game in protest. Those people have no balls.

So I would say that among all football teams in cfb, only Notre Dame would go so far as to to be so childish, spoiled, and entitled as to pass up a major bowl game. I mean even the justification that you did it to punish espn is just icing on the cake. Your team and fanbase is so delusional you think that a multibillion dollar corporation like Disney is going to give a rats *** that you didn’t accept the bowl game. And what was the desired outcome? It will sting so much they won’t ever do that again? Not a great plan.

I say this as a grown man and a parent, I would pull my son off of a team if his coach refused to play in the consolation bracket of a tournament because he felt he got cheated. The game isn’t for him. Any HS recruit who saw Freeman rage quit on the season like that and still voluntarily chooses to go there does not have the mindset of someone who loves football and competition. Go ahead and pay your money and get those soft shouldered 5 star recruits - that’s exactly how Jimbo Fisher built a FSU team full of 5 star athletes that folded at the first sign of adversity.

I really hope there is a huge swath of the Notre Dame fanbase that was disgusted by Freeman. At least it would show that most of your fans still have balls and dignity.
Fair post. I won't argue with your sentiment.
 
I've got major questions about this projected offensive juggernaut y'all are going to have. I get that you have a very nice O line coming back (mostly made of guys Miami abused in week one last season) spare me the Jagusah/Knapp hype. Im not really arguing you guys wont have a good to great O line. But....

Explain to me how Aneyas Wiliams and Kedren Young are going to provide the same explosive threat that Jadarian Price and Jeremiyah Love gave to your offense. Is there another back that will supplant them because neither shows anything on the level of your elite backfield from last season?

I watched Carr's highlights and 80% of what he did was dump it to the backs, who did amazing things, or toss it PA to a wide-open Pauling or Fields cause defenses were selling out to stop the run. These plays were a direct result of the dynamic abilities of your two backs. Besides those two bread and butter passing plays he would have success with Raridon and Fields down the sideline with 50/50 balls, but he lost both. I am not sure either of the two OSU rejects are going to move the needle much for you guys. Flanigan is question mark but also likely a downgrade from Raridon. None of your NFL legacy kids did much of anything last season either. Carr rarely touched the MoF except against a poor NC State defense who struggled mightily in that specific area and occasionally made plays with his legs, but it wasn't anything that you gameplan against specifically. He was able to execute quick outs with success and that's about it. This idea he is just going magically throw for 4k yards and 35 TDs because he is a year older is absurd. He was a game manager with an elite backfield and live arm. I am really curious to see what happens if the running game takes a massive step back now the O line may be able to keep you guys on schedule with a 4 yds cloud of dust style but against truly dynamic offenses with elite defenses that will not be enough.

So, it seems your RB room is much worse and your WR room at best is equal if not slightly diminished if you dont have a big body guy step up to replace Fields. I'll give you Greathouse but I thought Pauling did really well as his replacement and TBF Greathouse was a ghost against the worst version of our defense last season. Which I think is lost on everyone. You guys benefited from some big coverage busts in game one cause our defense and secondary was new, the Miami defense you faced week one was not nearly as good as the playoff version.

Sidenote:
Miami brings back Fletcher and 3 guys with equivalent talent and production to your projected starters at RB
Greathouse in 24 and Faison in 25 both went for 45 ish catches with 600 yds and 4 TDs
Miami has 2 guys slated to be on the second team with similar P4 production plus two top 10 in the country receivers in Barkate and Toney
and BTW Mensah put together a season at DUKE that is Carr's projected ceiling.

it's going to be a stock Camaro vs a Mclaren in that game on offense. Y'all better pray for ****** weather.
Good post and fun to read. To be honest, I have some of the same concerns. A lot of the ND offense is projection. I do think ND's O line should be significantly better. Miami did abuse the tackles last year. The only slight pushback I will give you is the CJ is a lot more gunslinger than he is a checkdown QB. He is aggressive. That being said, he had heavy boxes to throw against. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I do think ND's running game will be better than people think, but obviously will not have the home run ability of last year. Aneyas is really good, but he doesn't have the home run hitting that the other two have. ND will be a balanced offense. I am not certain I see ND passing super successfully all night against the Hurricane secondary. They have to be able to run the ball. A tough task against that D line, I admit. I can't really see ND scoring much more than 20. Hoping they can somehow keep the Hurricanes to around that amount also.
 
Been doing well! How are you guys doing? I have been busy. Got a new Athletic Director job so it has been a lot of building. It is at a school that hasn't ever had sports, so building something from scratch is quite a lot of infrastructure to build. But it is fun.

When I have time I have been checking out some season previews. You guys are the only opposing board I really got involved in. I guess you all grew on me, lol. You are passionate about your team, just like I am about the Irish. With good reason. You guys look stacked. I personally think college football is better when ND and Miami are good, but I am biased. Do you guys have any question marks about your team going in, or do you think you are pretty loaded everywhere? From the outside looking in, I would guess linebacker maybe? I mean, I know you return Mo Toure (He is a stud), is your other LB back too? I can't remember. Other than that, man, don't see a ton of weaknesses? Is your kicker back? He was tough. Your secondary looks awfully good and your O looks scary. I would say your o line would be a question, but honestly, as long as Mario and Mirabel are in Miami Gardens, I don't think that is a realistic concern. Would you guys agree with that? Would love to hear all your thoughts. And if you want to give me crap, that's cool too, haha. I am on your board, after all...
I'll do my best to answer you position by position from my own personal perspective with zero inside info at all regarding what is actually happening on Greentree or in the Hecht.

QB: Mensah is a stud and has legit Heisman production potential. Back ups are likely not good enough to step in and make a title run but could handle mid level ACC competition if needed

RB: Stacked again, whole room returns

WR: Stacked Toney and Barkate are elite college WRs and we have 5 other guys behind them that could end up (not likely) better than Barkate. We have no clue who of the 5 will emerge, we expect at least 4 of the 5 to play in key moments.

TE: Lofton is ok when healthy and has some playmaker upside. Luka Gilbert is a big mid-west kid, the kind of kid you are used to seeing wearing a gold helmet. Owen Ruskavich is a big in line TE with some catch ability that may get burn to boost the run game if Lofton and/or Gilbert struggle blocking. 2 Freshmen behind them have flashed the traits to be big time players not sure what they will contribute this season.

O-line: McCoy and Okunlola are dominant run blockers with improving pass blocking abilities looking to take the next step. Rodrigues is a tenured player with injury history that will snap for us. He started at G in the 2024 season before getting injured. Depth behind him at center is a bit concerning. Jackson Cantwell is a kind of strong that cannot be described only witnessed. He close grip benched 550lbs for reps at 17 yrs old and he's 6'7''. He has held up well against our high level pass rushers in the spring and he will likely start at LT. Most expect him to have some freshman type hiccups, but he is also going to do some very bad things to guys once his hands are on them. Max Buchanon is a mean and experienced G that will likely start. We have good depth via highschool recruiting and we brought in a UGA transfer that was a depth piece on an o line coached by one of the worst O line coaches in the country. We have 8 or 9 guys that can play and aside from center and LT we are not 100% sure where anyone is actually going to play but the starting 5 is most likely Cantwell Okunlola McCoy Rodrigues and Buchanon.

DT: Stacked Moten and Scott inside with Transfers Jarquez Carter (OSU) and Keona Davis (Nebraska) behind. We expect Scott and Moten to be this year's Bain and Mesidor. Carter was a depth piece at OSU as a freshman and looks good as a big body inside. Keona Davis was forced to play 2 gap at Nebraska and played well in that role but he is more suited to the style he will play with Miami

DE: Stacked Damon Wilson 9.5 sacks for Mizzou in 2025 your traditional long lanky rush end former 5 star. Armondo Blount stout strong end (Bain-like) 5 star with experience and playoff production. Marquise Ligthfoot is a super versatile sneaky explosive LB hybrid type player who has the strength and skill to rush the passer with his hand in the dirt but also can cover the flat and play in space he's a former 5 star with experience and playoff production. Hayden Lowe former 5 star with insane measurables was slated to have a role in the rotation last season then injured his foot he is considered to be a real threat to break out this season, Herbert Scroggins III 4 star that has been productive when on the field

A number of guys have positional versatility, but Davis and Blount are the two guys that have been most commented as dudes who could play inside or outside

LB: Toure you seem to know what he brings to the table. He is now two yrs removed from an ACL tear, so he's expected to display even more athleticism and explosiveness this season. Chase Smith was a 2nd teamer last season with great straight-line speed and physicality. Injury bug and instincts have limited his impact to this pt. He's definitely flashed over his 6-year career with Miami. We shall see if he can put it all together this year and become more consistent. Kamal Bonner will push Smith, he transferred over from NC State prior to last season some buzz about his potential. The rest of the LB room is made up of highly recruited underclassmen that have yet to do anything notable but there are guys in there that have the physical ability to impact the quality and perception of this room. Most of them will presumably have their biggest impact on specials

CB: Everyone returns. When healthy they would rival any room in the country including ND. We will see if they stay healthy.

N: Bryce Fitzgerald has beefed up. He was a freshman AA ballhawk who led the country in picks as freshman and was particularly impactful when he got a chance to play nickel. If we want more violence at that position, we can roll BC transfer Omar Thornton there who is a tone setter with his physicality

S: Zech Poyser returns and will be another physical head hunter in the back. He will be paired with Thornton or Fitz situationally. We have a TF from Kansas named JJ Dunnigan with pro athlete roots that is garnering Reuben Bain Malachi Toney sort of buzz. He is very big and fast and looks like the next bigtime freshman contributor, he has the skills to play all over the field.
 
I'll do my best to answer you position by position from my own personal perspective with zero inside info at all regarding what is actually happening on Greentree or in the Hecht.

QB: Mensah is a stud and has legit Heisman production potential. Back ups are likely not good enough to step in and make a title run but could handle mid level ACC competition if needed

RB: Stacked again, whole room returns

WR: Stacked Toney and Barkate are elite college WRs and we have 5 other guys behind them that could end up (not likely) better than Barkate. We have no clue who of the 5 will emerge, we expect at least 4 of the 5 to play in key moments.

TE: Lofton is ok when healthy and has some playmaker upside. Luka Gilbert is a big mid-west kid, the kind of kid you are used to seeing wearing a gold helmet. Owen Ruskavich is a big in line TE with some catch ability that may get burn to boost the run game if Lofton and/or Gilbert struggle blocking. 2 Freshmen behind them have flashed the traits to be big time players not sure what they will contribute this season.

O-line: McCoy and Okunlola are dominant run blockers with improving pass blocking abilities looking to take the next step. Rodrigues is a tenured player with injury history that will snap for us. He started at G in the 2024 season before getting injured. Depth behind him at center is a bit concerning. Jackson Cantwell is a kind of strong that cannot be described only witnessed. He close grip benched 550lbs for reps at 17 yrs old and he's 6'7''. He has held up well against our high level pass rushers in the spring and he will likely start at LT. Most expect him to have some freshman type hiccups, but he is also going to do some very bad things to guys once his hands are on them. Max Buchanon is a mean and experienced G that will likely start. We have good depth via highschool recruiting and we brought in a UGA transfer that was a depth piece on an o line coached by one of the worst O line coaches in the country. We have 8 or 9 guys that can play and aside from center and LT we are not 100% sure where anyone is actually going to play but the starting 5 is most likely Cantwell Okunlola McCoy Rodrigues and Buchanon.

DT: Stacked Moten and Scott inside with Transfers Jarquez Carter (OSU) and Keona Davis (Nebraska) behind. We expect Scott and Moten to be this year's Bain and Mesidor. Carter was a depth piece at OSU as a freshman and looks good as a big body inside. Keona Davis was forced to play 2 gap at Nebraska and played well in that role but he is more suited to the style he will play with Miami

DE: Stacked Damon Wilson 9.5 sacks for Mizzou in 2025 your traditional long lanky rush end former 5 star. Armondo Blount stout strong end (Bain-like) 5 star with experience and playoff production. Marquise Ligthfoot is a super versatile sneaky explosive LB hybrid type player who has the strength and skill to rush the passer with his hand in the dirt but also can cover the flat and play in space he's a former 5 star with experience and playoff production. Hayden Lowe former 5 star with insane measurables was slated to have a role in the rotation last season then injured his foot he is considered to be a real threat to break out this season, Herbert Scroggins III 4 star that has been productive when on the field

A number of guys have positional versatility, but Davis and Blount are the two guys that have been most commented as dudes who could play inside or outside

LB: Toure you seem to know what he brings to the table. He is now two yrs removed from an ACL tear, so he's expected to display even more athleticism and explosiveness this season. Chase Smith was a 2nd teamer last season with great straight-line speed and physicality. Injury bug and instincts have limited his impact to this pt. He's definitely flashed over his 6-year career with Miami. We shall see if he can put it all together this year and become more consistent. Kamal Bonner will push Smith, he transferred over from NC State prior to last season some buzz about his potential. The rest of the LB room is made up of highly recruited underclassmen that have yet to do anything notable but there are guys in there that have the physical ability to impact the quality and perception of this room. Most of them will presumably have their biggest impact on specials

CB: Everyone returns. When healthy they would rival any room in the country including ND. We will see if they stay healthy.

N: Bryce Fitzgerald has beefed up. He was a freshman AA ballhawk who led the country in picks as freshman and was particularly impactful when he got a chance to play nickel. If we want more violence at that position, we can roll BC transfer Omar Thornton there who is a tone setter with his physicality

S: Zech Poyser returns and will be another physical head hunter in the back. He will be paired with Thornton or Fitz situationally. We have a TF from Kansas named JJ Dunnigan with pro athlete roots that is garnering Reuben Bain Malachi Toney sort of buzz. He is very big and fast and looks like the next bigtimerely. freshman contributor, he has the skills to play all over the field.
Thanks for the detailed reply. I didn't realize you were that deep. Thats important as a season goes on. It really should be a great game. I do not see weaknesses on either team.
 
Looking forward to getting to this game, will definitely have some tissues on me to hand out to the ND fans. It’s been a long off season for them. 😢
 
Looking forward to getting to this game, will definitely have some tissues on me to hand out to the ND fans. It’s been a long off season for them. 😢
Its actually been a great off season to be an ND fan. Recruiting has been on fire, Freeman has committed to the long term, and ND returns a ton and are poised for a great year. I think the top 3 teams for me are ND, Miami, and Indiana. I know Indiana lost some, but they are extremely well coached. Ohio St might be in that group also, they are always good. Texas and Oregon are kinda in show me mode. I know they are getting a lot of hype. And Georgia hasnt shown the kind of dominance since playing players became legal. Notice I don't have a ton of titles contenders from the soft, whiny conference?
 
Its actually been a great off season to be an ND fan. Recruiting has been on fire, Freeman has committed to the long term, and ND returns a ton and are poised for a great year. I think the top 3 teams for me are ND, Miami, and Indiana. I know Indiana lost some, but they are extremely well coached. Ohio St might be in that group also, they are always good. Texas and Oregon are kinda in show me mode. I know they are getting a lot of hype. And Georgia hasnt shown the kind of dominance since playing players became legal. Notice I don't have a ton of titles contenders from the soft, whiny conference?
Is it true that Notre Dame is going to have a jersey patch for either Charmin or Tampax or no more tears shampoo?
 
Its actually been a great off season to be an ND fan. Recruiting has been on fire, Freeman has committed to the long term, and ND returns a ton and are poised for a great year. I think the top 3 teams for me are ND, Miami, and Indiana. I know Indiana lost some, but they are extremely well coached. Ohio St might be in that group also, they are always good. Texas and Oregon are kinda in show me mode. I know they are getting a lot of hype. And Georgia hasnt shown the kind of dominance since playing players became legal. Notice I don't have a ton of titles contenders from the soft, whiny conference?
Good fluffy answer, we know better.
 
Good post and fun to read. To be honest, I have some of the same concerns. A lot of the ND offense is projection. I do think ND's O line should be significantly better. Miami did abuse the tackles last year. The only slight pushback I will give you is the CJ is a lot more gunslinger than he is a checkdown QB. He is aggressive. That being said, he had heavy boxes to throw against. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I do think ND's running game will be better than people think, but obviously will not have the home run ability of last year. Aneyas is really good, but he doesn't have the home run hitting that the other two have. ND will be a balanced offense. I am not certain I see ND passing super successfully all night against the Hurricane secondary. They have to be able to run the ball. A tough task against that D line, I admit. I can't really see ND scoring much more than 20. Hoping they can somehow keep the Hurricanes to around that amount also.
That won't get it done against this team, IMO. I don't see anyone holding Canes offense to under 25 pts this season, just too many weapons. I think we'll average 40-45 pts per game.
 
Notre Dump is the Dallas Cowboys of CFB.They Haven't won anything In forever but yet think that they deserve certain entitlement’s that others don’t receive ( the CFB playoff for example )

When was the last time you guys won anything 1988 ? And before that what 10-15 yrs before that? So one in the last 38 years and 2 in the last 50 and that entitles you to special preferences?

I know that the Irish like the Cowboys who also haven’t won anything in 25+ years supposedly bring eyeballs and NBC must love putting Notre Dump on each week playing against an Army or a Navy so I guess there’s that but for the life of me I can’t figure out why there’s so much love for 2 of the most overrated sports teams in sports history.

I know you guys are supposedly on a revenge tour or some such BS and it should go pretty well against your schedule and I’ll just say good luck but when our two teams hook up bring all you got cause you’re gonna need all the Irish luck that little weird looking Munchkin Leprechaun can bring you.
 
Its actually been a great off season to be an ND fan. Recruiting has been on fire, Freeman has committed to the long term, and ND returns a ton and are poised for a great year. I think the top 3 teams for me are ND, Miami, and Indiana. I know Indiana lost some, but they are extremely well coached. Ohio St might be in that group also, they are always good. Texas and Oregon are kinda in show me mode. I know they are getting a lot of hype. And Georgia hasnt shown the kind of dominance since playing players became legal. Notice I don't have a ton of titles contenders from the soft, whiny conference?
Here’s my assessment, ND reportedly and repetitively have announced their revenge tour. Pointing their boney-a** fingers directly at Us. It’s understandable,.. lf your a f**king bunch of soft A** b*t*hes, which based on last years tantrum regarding the playoffs, yall are. Gearing up and getting all emotional about the UM game. About “Shake down the Thunder from the Sky” and reviving the Catholics/Convicts BS, and oh yeah the thugs references. It’s all there, in your f**king heads. This game is your payback, your cathartic moment for us whacking your PeePee on national TV. And by doing so keeping you out of the playoffs. I get it. For us,.. this is a business trip. All business, all the time. Only emotion we need is chasing the NC, and you’re just another team in our way. And when we tear your heart out in SouthBend and break your will and take your soul, you can watch your season S**t the sheets and slip away. All bc you let revenge and hubris override your emotions,.. and didn’t take care of BUSINESS.🙌🏽GOCANES
 
I want to caveat that what I say below isn’t meant to be a personal attack on you, I appreciate you willing to politely banter with an opposing fan base. I would tell any Notre Dame fan that they should be ashamed of their HC.

To quote Eminem: “What’s the difference between us, we can start at the *****.” **** would freeze over before Mario Cristobal would voluntarily skip a chance to get his players another football game. The only way I understand it is by looking at it from the perspective of a spoiled rich kid who got told
“No” for the first time in his life. Whatever similarities UM and ND may have - it ends there. If the situation had been reversed and Miami got jumped by ND for the last playoff spot, and you told Cristobal that UM should skip the bowl game in protest- Not only would you get laughed out of the room, he would probably punch you in the face.


I have more respect for loser Mike Norvell than Freeman. FSU got absolutely hosed worse than Notre Dame when they got left out of the final 4. Did they sit out? No, they still accepted the bowl game and got their *** kicked. Some people argued they should have refused to accept the bowl game in protest. Those people have no balls.

So I would say that among all football teams in cfb, only Notre Dame would go so far as to to be so childish, spoiled, and entitled as to pass up a major bowl game. I mean even the justification that you did it to punish espn is just icing on the cake. Your team and fanbase is so delusional you think that a multibillion dollar corporation like Disney is going to give a rats *** that you didn’t accept the bowl game. And what was the desired outcome? It will sting so much they won’t ever do that again? Not a great plan.

I say this as a grown man and a parent, I would pull my son off of a team if his coach refused to play in the consolation bracket of a tournament because he felt he got cheated. The game isn’t for him. Any HS recruit who saw Freeman rage quit on the season like that and still voluntarily chooses to go there does not have the mindset of someone who loves football and competition. Go ahead and pay your money and get those soft shouldered 5 star recruits - that’s exactly how Jimbo Fisher built a FSU team full of 5 star athletes that folded at the first sign of adversity.

I really hope there is a huge swath of the Notre Dame fanbase that was disgusted by Freeman. At least it would show that most of your fans still have balls and dignity.

Everything coming out from ND since the playoff teams announced has been the softest **** I’ve ever seen in sports.
 
Notre Dump is the Dallas Cowboys of CFB.They Haven't won anything In forever but yet think that they deserve certain entitlement’s that others don’t receive ( the CFB playoff for example )

When was the last time you guys won anything 1988 ? And before that what 10-15 yrs before that? So one in the last 38 years and 2 in the last 50 and that entitles you to special preferences?

I know that the Irish like the Cowboys who also haven’t won anything in 25+ years supposedly bring eyeballs and NBC must love putting Notre Dump on each week playing against an Army or a Navy so I guess there’s that but for the life of me I can’t figure out why there’s so much love for 2 of the most overrated sports teams in sports history.

I know you guys are supposedly on a revenge tour or some such BS and it should go pretty well against your schedule and I’ll just say good luck but when our two teams hook up bring all you got cause you’re gonna need all the Irish luck that little weird looking Munchkin Leprechaun can bring you.

Dallas fan here

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For most ND fans there is no revenge tour or other corny stuff like that. We think we have a talented, well coached team. ND's stance within the program is they only have themselves to blame. They lost the two biggest games of the season. I don't think Miami took NDs spot at all. I think they were both two of the top teams at the end of last season. I do think the SEC was way too down to have 5 teams in, but it is what it is. I do think before Kelly and some Kelly teams were overrated, but I think ND is now rated appropriately. Now to go out and prove it. I mean, they have been pretty darn good 2024, 25, and now 26. Really similar to Miami. Returning to prominence at the same time. Pretty cool. Side note: I think the Catholics vs Convicts stuff is super disrespectful and stupid. Wasn't a big fan of it then, and still am not. Now FSU being Free Shoes University after their scandal about that? At least that's a bit clever...
 
Catholics/Convicts BS

Heres the thing- the insults don’t even matter anymore. They are cowards and quitters, who ran away in tears when they had a chance to prove to everyone that they made a mistake in keeping them out of the playoffs. Instead they said they don’t want to play anymore if they don’t get their way. Whatever insult they throw at us, nothing is worse than being a coward and a quitter.

All that history and bravado is gone. It’s pretty much on par with a Penn state fan talking trash.
 
Heres the thing- the insults don’t even matter anymore. They are cowards and quitters, who ran away in tears when they had a chance to prove to everyone that they made a mistake in keeping them out of the playoffs. Instead they said they don’t want to play anymore if they don’t get their way. Whatever insult they throw at us, nothing is worse than being a coward and a quitter.

All that history and bravado is gone. It’s pretty much on par with a Penn state fan talking trash.
Indeed
 
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