Notre Dame fires DC Brian Van Gorder

[The Franchise]

He just signed a 6 year extension, I doubt he's stepping down. If ND was smart, they'd cut their losses and go after Meyer.

Why would Meyer leave a better paying better job to go to a place he already rejected when he chose UF over ND? People make light of ND's admission standards, but Meyer wanted nothing to do with those standards.

Hard to say any school is 'better paying' right now with the changing landscape of TV deals and Kelly and Meyer aren't too far apart in their contracts. If they opened up their checkbook for Kelly, I'm sure they'd do more for Meyer.

Why would he leave though? Good question, the "Notre Dame is my dream job" will follow him as long as he coaches. He left the SEC when Saban became a threat, and he might feel similarly with Harbaugh tearing it up already. Meyer wins because he gets 4-5 stars to go wherever he's coaching. It's not like his success has been at Marshall. ND's admission standards argument is overblown anyway, **** they even took Louis Nix who could barely read.

You ignored the part where he already turned down the "dream job" at ND to go to UF where he could get guys like Aaron Hernandez admitted and keep him on the field even after he shot guys.

Urb grew up in Ohio. I doubt he's longing to leave a place that can pay him more than ND pays football coaches and will let him sign anyone.

When did he turn down the job? According to Meyer, they never offered. Meyer says Irish never made offer

If you could provide examples of players that are at OSU that wouldn't have been admitted to ND then I can't take your argument seriously. In addition to the claim that OSU has deeper pockets than ND, which is just outright silly, not sure why you continue to repeat such an obvious fallacy.

LOL. You are the master of the quibble. Not getting me this time.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Why would Meyer leave a better paying better job to go to a place he already rejected when he chose UF over ND? People make light of ND's admission standards, but Meyer wanted nothing to do with those standards.

Hard to say any school is 'better paying' right now with the changing landscape of TV deals and Kelly and Meyer aren't too far apart in their contracts. If they opened up their checkbook for Kelly, I'm sure they'd do more for Meyer.

Why would he leave though? Good question, the "Notre Dame is my dream job" will follow him as long as he coaches. He left the SEC when Saban became a threat, and he might feel similarly with Harbaugh tearing it up already. Meyer wins because he gets 4-5 stars to go wherever he's coaching. It's not like his success has been at Marshall. ND's admission standards argument is overblown anyway, **** they even took Louis Nix who could barely read.

You ignored the part where he already turned down the "dream job" at ND to go to UF where he could get guys like Aaron Hernandez admitted and keep him on the field even after he shot guys.

Urb grew up in Ohio. I doubt he's longing to leave a place that can pay him more than ND pays football coaches and will let him sign anyone.

When did he turn down the job? According to Meyer, they never offered. Meyer says Irish never made offer

If you could provide examples of players that are at OSU that wouldn't have been admitted to ND then I can't take your argument seriously. In addition to the claim that OSU has deeper pockets than ND, which is just outright silly, not sure why you continue to repeat such an obvious fallacy.

LOL. You are the master of the quibble. Not getting me this time.

I already got you. You think Meyer wouldn't go to ND because he "already turned them down", which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because he can recruit players at OSU that he couldn't at ND, which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because ND is incapable of matching OSU's contract, which is less than $1 million of what they're paying their current coach, despite their $15 million/year TV contract for football only, a $10 Billion endowment, and boosters with far deeper pockets. Your position doesn't make sense.

Not even sure why I argue with you. I still think it's in ND's best interest to at least kick the tires on him. Brian Kelly isn't their guy.

 

[TemplarCane]

How about Tom Herman to Notre Dame? He's taking every other job.....

 

[The Franchise]

Hard to say any school is 'better paying' right now with the changing landscape of TV deals and Kelly and Meyer aren't too far apart in their contracts. If they opened up their checkbook for Kelly, I'm sure they'd do more for Meyer.

Why would he leave though? Good question, the "Notre Dame is my dream job" will follow him as long as he coaches. He left the SEC when Saban became a threat, and he might feel similarly with Harbaugh tearing it up already. Meyer wins because he gets 4-5 stars to go wherever he's coaching. It's not like his success has been at Marshall. ND's admission standards argument is overblown anyway, **** they even took Louis Nix who could barely read.

You ignored the part where he already turned down the "dream job" at ND to go to UF where he could get guys like Aaron Hernandez admitted and keep him on the field even after he shot guys.

Urb grew up in Ohio. I doubt he's longing to leave a place that can pay him more than ND pays football coaches and will let him sign anyone.

When did he turn down the job? According to Meyer, they never offered. Meyer says Irish never made offer

If you could provide examples of players that are at OSU that wouldn't have been admitted to ND then I can't take your argument seriously. In addition to the claim that OSU has deeper pockets than ND, which is just outright silly, not sure why you continue to repeat such an obvious fallacy.

LOL. You are the master of the quibble. Not getting me this time.

I already got you. You think Meyer wouldn't go to ND because he "already turned them down", which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because he can recruit players at OSU that he couldn't at ND, which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because ND is incapable of matching OSU's contract, which is less than $1 million of what they're paying their current coach, despite their $15 million/year TV contract for football only, a $10 Billion endowment, and boosters with far deeper pockets. Your position doesn't make sense.

Not even sure why I argue with you. I still think it's in ND's best interest to at least kick the tires on him. Brian Kelly isn't their guy.

You're right. ND pays football coaches at the same level Ohio State does. They also have the same admissions standards, and they treat athletes who break school rules exactly the same.

I also believe everything Urb says just like you do. And I believe he never discussed the ND job with them and gave them his requirements for them to lessen their admissions standards which they declined to do so he accepted the UF job instead. There's no chance they technically didn't "offer" him the job because when they refused his demand to lower the admissions standards he jumped on the UF job.

I follow college football religiously. So your google searches aren't compelling to me. I know how the ND thing with Urb went down because I followed it closely. I'm not searching Google for blurbs that might support my goofy opinion.

You're either a master at agitating by omitting details and refusing to look beneath the surface, or you're a simpleton. I'll let you choose.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

You ignored the part where he already turned down the "dream job" at ND to go to UF where he could get guys like Aaron Hernandez admitted and keep him on the field even after he shot guys.

Urb grew up in Ohio. I doubt he's longing to leave a place that can pay him more than ND pays football coaches and will let him sign anyone.

When did he turn down the job? According to Meyer, they never offered. Meyer says Irish never made offer

If you could provide examples of players that are at OSU that wouldn't have been admitted to ND then I can't take your argument seriously. In addition to the claim that OSU has deeper pockets than ND, which is just outright silly, not sure why you continue to repeat such an obvious fallacy.

LOL. You are the master of the quibble. Not getting me this time.

I already got you. You think Meyer wouldn't go to ND because he "already turned them down", which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because he can recruit players at OSU that he couldn't at ND, which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because ND is incapable of matching OSU's contract, which is less than $1 million of what they're paying their current coach, despite their $15 million/year TV contract for football only, a $10 Billion endowment, and boosters with far deeper pockets. Your position doesn't make sense.

Not even sure why I argue with you. I still think it's in ND's best interest to at least kick the tires on him. Brian Kelly isn't their guy.

You're right. ND pays football coaches at the same level Ohio State does. They also have the same admissions standards, and they treat athletes who break school rules exactly the same.

I also believe everything Urb says just like you do. And I believe he never discussed the ND job with them and gave them his requirements for them to lessen their admissions standards which they declined to do so he accepted the UF job instead. There's no chance they technically didn't "offer" him the job because when they refused his demand to lower the admissions standards he jumped on the UF job.

I follow college football religiously. So your google searches aren't compelling to me. I know how the ND thing with Urb went down because I followed it closely. I'm not searching Google for blurbs that might support my goofy opinion.

You're either a master at agitating by omitting details and refusing to look beneath the surface, or you're a simpleton. I'll let you choose.

Omitting details? LOL. You either lack self-awareness or, well I guess that's your only option.

By the way, I got the facts before I formed the opinion. You should try that some time. And stop projecting your horrid debating skills. You're better at comedy, stick to that.

 

[Genghis Cane]

Van Gorder's mustache game was enough to have him canned. Dude looked like a cop in a crappy 80's movie.

[video=youtube;z5rRZdiu1UE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE[/video]

hahahahah This is amazing!

 

[407cane]

This was the guy some "astute" porsters wanted as our DC.

Seemed like a fairly split view on him:

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/brian-vangorder-dc/94730

Little did we know the next day after that thread we would get pastor richt

 

[Pearson704]

35+ points given up in 5 of last 6 games.

The dumpster fire burns bright in South Bend.

Corch Kelly threw his players under the bus in epic fashion yesterday. Now he fires the dc in the middle of the year. Seems like a guy fighting for his job.

I love how firing a guy you hand-picked as an assistant simultaneously shows your incompetence for having hired the guy in the first place.

 

[CaneFan79]

Van Gorder's mustache game was enough to have him canned. Dude looked like a cop in a crappy 80's movie.

[video=youtube;z5rRZdiu1UE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE[/video]

hahahahah This is amazing!

RIP MCA

 

[407cane]

Hard to say any school is 'better paying' right now with the changing landscape of TV deals and Kelly and Meyer aren't too far apart in their contracts. If they opened up their checkbook for Kelly, I'm sure they'd do more for Meyer.

Why would he leave though? Good question, the "Notre Dame is my dream job" will follow him as long as he coaches. He left the SEC when Saban became a threat, and he might feel similarly with Harbaugh tearing it up already. Meyer wins because he gets 4-5 stars to go wherever he's coaching. It's not like his success has been at Marshall. ND's admission standards argument is overblown anyway, **** they even took Louis Nix who could barely read.

You ignored the part where he already turned down the "dream job" at ND to go to UF where he could get guys like Aaron Hernandez admitted and keep him on the field even after he shot guys.

Urb grew up in Ohio. I doubt he's longing to leave a place that can pay him more than ND pays football coaches and will let him sign anyone.

When did he turn down the job? According to Meyer, they never offered. Meyer says Irish never made offer

If you could provide examples of players that are at OSU that wouldn't have been admitted to ND then I can't take your argument seriously. In addition to the claim that OSU has deeper pockets than ND, which is just outright silly, not sure why you continue to repeat such an obvious fallacy.

LOL. You are the master of the quibble. Not getting me this time.

I already got you. You think Meyer wouldn't go to ND because he "already turned them down", which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because he can recruit players at OSU that he couldn't at ND, which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because ND is incapable of matching OSU's contract, which is less than $1 million of what they're paying their current coach, despite their $15 million/year TV contract for football only, a $10 Billion endowment, and boosters with far deeper pockets. Your position doesn't make sense.

Not even sure why I argue with you. I still think it's in ND's best interest to at least kick the tires on him. Brian Kelly isn't their guy.

anyone who thinks Urban would leave a top 5 powerhouse program where he is 53-4 at right now to go to notre dame or any other school in the country is out of their **** mind

no school in the country would be a big enough increase in situation for meyer to leave

 

[Waffle Honcho]

You ignored the part where he already turned down the "dream job" at ND to go to UF where he could get guys like Aaron Hernandez admitted and keep him on the field even after he shot guys.

Urb grew up in Ohio. I doubt he's longing to leave a place that can pay him more than ND pays football coaches and will let him sign anyone.

When did he turn down the job? According to Meyer, they never offered. Meyer says Irish never made offer

If you could provide examples of players that are at OSU that wouldn't have been admitted to ND then I can't take your argument seriously. In addition to the claim that OSU has deeper pockets than ND, which is just outright silly, not sure why you continue to repeat such an obvious fallacy.

LOL. You are the master of the quibble. Not getting me this time.

I already got you. You think Meyer wouldn't go to ND because he "already turned them down", which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because he can recruit players at OSU that he couldn't at ND, which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because ND is incapable of matching OSU's contract, which is less than $1 million of what they're paying their current coach, despite their $15 million/year TV contract for football only, a $10 Billion endowment, and boosters with far deeper pockets. Your position doesn't make sense.

Not even sure why I argue with you. I still think it's in ND's best interest to at least kick the tires on him. Brian Kelly isn't their guy.

anyone who thinks Urban would leave a top 5 powerhouse program where he is 53-4 at right now to go to notre dame or any other school in the country is out of their **** mind

no school in the country would be a big enough increase in situation for meyer to leave

I didn't say he would leave, I'm saying ND should go after him. ND is, and has always been, the premier job in college football. If he wants to stay at OSU, IDGAF really, just saying that's what ND should do.

 

[GonzoCane]

35+ points given up in 5 of last 6 games.

The dumpster fire burns bright in South Bend.

Corch Kelly threw his players under the bus in epic fashion yesterday. Now he fires the dc in the middle of the year. Seems like a guy fighting for his job.

I love how firing a guy you hand-picked as an assistant simultaneously shows your incompetence for having hired the guy in the first place.

Kelly seems like an easy guy to dislike because he seems like such an *******. Locker room can turn on a dime if it hasnt already. The subway alumni will have the pitchforks out if Stanford smokes them and the the Convicts come to town for the killshot.

 

[MedleyCane]

When did he turn down the job? According to Meyer, they never offered. Meyer says Irish never made offer

If you could provide examples of players that are at OSU that wouldn't have been admitted to ND then I can't take your argument seriously. In addition to the claim that OSU has deeper pockets than ND, which is just outright silly, not sure why you continue to repeat such an obvious fallacy.

LOL. You are the master of the quibble. Not getting me this time.

I already got you. You think Meyer wouldn't go to ND because he "already turned them down", which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because he can recruit players at OSU that he couldn't at ND, which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because ND is incapable of matching OSU's contract, which is less than $1 million of what they're paying their current coach, despite their $15 million/year TV contract for football only, a $10 Billion endowment, and boosters with far deeper pockets. Your position doesn't make sense.

Not even sure why I argue with you. I still think it's in ND's best interest to at least kick the tires on him. Brian Kelly isn't their guy.

anyone who thinks Urban would leave a top 5 powerhouse program where he is 53-4 at right now to go to notre dame or any other school in the country is out of their **** mind

no school in the country would be a big enough increase in situation for meyer to leave

I didn't say he would leave, I'm saying ND should go after him. ND is, and has always been, the premier job in college football. If he wants to stay at OSU, IDGAF really, just saying that's what ND should do.

It used to be the premier job and one could perhaps make that claim insofar as prestige is concerned, especially
for coaches who grew up in the east coast or midwest and come from heavily Catholic upbringing.
But from a football perspective, it really isn't as good as you claim based on many of the arguments already
put forth in this thread, especially from Franchise.
The landscape of college football has changed dramatically since NLame won their last national championship
and not all to NLame's advantage.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

LOL. You are the master of the quibble. Not getting me this time.

I already got you. You think Meyer wouldn't go to ND because he "already turned them down", which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because he can recruit players at OSU that he couldn't at ND, which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because ND is incapable of matching OSU's contract, which is less than $1 million of what they're paying their current coach, despite their $15 million/year TV contract for football only, a $10 Billion endowment, and boosters with far deeper pockets. Your position doesn't make sense.

Not even sure why I argue with you. I still think it's in ND's best interest to at least kick the tires on him. Brian Kelly isn't their guy.

anyone who thinks Urban would leave a top 5 powerhouse program where he is 53-4 at right now to go to notre dame or any other school in the country is out of their **** mind

no school in the country would be a big enough increase in situation for meyer to leave

I didn't say he would leave, I'm saying ND should go after him. ND is, and has always been, the premier job in college football. If he wants to stay at OSU, IDGAF really, just saying that's what ND should do.

It used to be the premier job and one could perhaps make that claim insofar as prestige is concerned, especially
for coaches who grew up in the east coast or midwest and come from heavily Catholic upbringing.
But from a football perspective, it really isn't as good as you claim based on many of the arguments already
put forth in this thread, especially from Franchise.
The landscape of college football has changed dramatically since NLame won their last national championship
and not all to NLame's advantage.

I agree from a football perspective it's not the job that it used to be, I was referring to the prestige of the school/job. I think it's because they are still technically an independent. The admissions thing is a joke, especially with teams like Stanford and Duke are beating them.

 

[MedleyCane]

I already got you. You think Meyer wouldn't go to ND because he "already turned them down", which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because he can recruit players at OSU that he couldn't at ND, which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because ND is incapable of matching OSU's contract, which is less than $1 million of what they're paying their current coach, despite their $15 million/year TV contract for football only, a $10 Billion endowment, and boosters with far deeper pockets. Your position doesn't make sense.

Not even sure why I argue with you. I still think it's in ND's best interest to at least kick the tires on him. Brian Kelly isn't their guy.

anyone who thinks Urban would leave a top 5 powerhouse program where he is 53-4 at right now to go to notre dame or any other school in the country is out of their **** mind

no school in the country would be a big enough increase in situation for meyer to leave

I didn't say he would leave, I'm saying ND should go after him. ND is, and has always been, the premier job in college football. If he wants to stay at OSU, IDGAF really, just saying that's what ND should do.

It used to be the premier job and one could perhaps make that claim insofar as prestige is concerned, especially
for coaches who grew up in the east coast or midwest and come from heavily Catholic upbringing.
But from a football perspective, it really isn't as good as you claim based on many of the arguments already
put forth in this thread, especially from Franchise.
The landscape of college football has changed dramatically since NLame won their last national championship
and not all to NLame's advantage.

I agree from a football perspective it's not the job that it used to be, I was referring to the prestige of the school/job. I think it's because they are still technically an independent. The admissions thing is a joke, especially with teams like Stanford and Duke are beating them.

Army, Navy, Harvard and Yale, to name a few, are also very prestigious jobs.
And prestige only gets you far enough to get you fired if you don't win enough games.
At least with those aforementioned schools, they play a schedule commiserate with
their football ceiling.
NLame is playing a very serious schedule every year with one arm tied behind their back
due to admissions, academics, etc....which is no joke.
The fact that Stanford and Duke are beating them is moot.
Actually, it accentuates why the NLame gig is not as desirable as many people think.
And that's because on any given year there exists a very finite number of elite football
players who have the academics and temperament to qualify for NLame, Stanford, BC,
Vandy, Northwestern, Duke, Rice, etc and most, if not all, of those schools have stepped
up their respective commitments to football.
Many options for kids these days, and coaches like Urban want no part of this.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

anyone who thinks Urban would leave a top 5 powerhouse program where he is 53-4 at right now to go to notre dame or any other school in the country is out of their **** mind

no school in the country would be a big enough increase in situation for meyer to leave

I didn't say he would leave, I'm saying ND should go after him. ND is, and has always been, the premier job in college football. If he wants to stay at OSU, IDGAF really, just saying that's what ND should do.

It used to be the premier job and one could perhaps make that claim insofar as prestige is concerned, especially
for coaches who grew up in the east coast or midwest and come from heavily Catholic upbringing.
But from a football perspective, it really isn't as good as you claim based on many of the arguments already
put forth in this thread, especially from Franchise.
The landscape of college football has changed dramatically since NLame won their last national championship
and not all to NLame's advantage.

I agree from a football perspective it's not the job that it used to be, I was referring to the prestige of the school/job. I think it's because they are still technically an independent. The admissions thing is a joke, especially with teams like Stanford and Duke are beating them.

Army, Navy, Harvard and Yale, to name a few, are also very prestigious jobs.
And prestige only gets you far enough to get you fired if you don't win enough games.
At least with those aforementioned schools, they play a schedule commiserate with
their football ceiling.
NLame is playing a very serious schedule every year with one arm tied behind their back
due to admissions, academics, etc....which is no joke.
The fact that Stanford and Duke are beating them is moot.
Actually, it accentuates why the NLame gig is not as desirable as many people think.
And that's because on any given year there exists a very finite number of elite football
players who have the academics and temperament to qualify for NLame, Stanford, BC,
Vandy, Northwestern, Duke, Rice, etc and most, if not all, of those schools have stepped
up their respective commitments to football.
Many options for kids these days, and coaches like Urban want no part of this.

Do you know the specifics of ND's admissions standards?

 

[Bennubird]

Let's see, ND in flames. FSU limping along. UF lost to the only team with a pulse they've played this season. Canes undefeated with Richt at the helm. This season is setting up to be epic.

Edit: How could I forget to thank Van Gorder for his great work. How unjust is the world that the domers are getting rid of such a genius, a true defensive mastermind. I will certainly support any petition for his full re-instatement in his former capacity.

 

[HurricaneHauk]

At least we have a backup plan in case Diaz leaves or doesnt work out

 

[The Franchise]

When did he turn down the job? According to Meyer, they never offered. Meyer says Irish never made offer

If you could provide examples of players that are at OSU that wouldn't have been admitted to ND then I can't take your argument seriously. In addition to the claim that OSU has deeper pockets than ND, which is just outright silly, not sure why you continue to repeat such an obvious fallacy.

LOL. You are the master of the quibble. Not getting me this time.

I already got you. You think Meyer wouldn't go to ND because he "already turned them down", which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because he can recruit players at OSU that he couldn't at ND, which is false. You think Meyer wouldn't go because ND is incapable of matching OSU's contract, which is less than $1 million of what they're paying their current coach, despite their $15 million/year TV contract for football only, a $10 Billion endowment, and boosters with far deeper pockets. Your position doesn't make sense.

Not even sure why I argue with you. I still think it's in ND's best interest to at least kick the tires on him. Brian Kelly isn't their guy.

anyone who thinks Urban would leave a top 5 powerhouse program where he is 53-4 at right now to go to notre dame or any other school in the country is out of their **** mind

no school in the country would be a big enough increase in situation for meyer to leave

I didn't say he would leave, I'm saying ND should go after him. ND is, and has always been, the premier job in college football. If he wants to stay at OSU, IDGAF really, just saying that's what ND should do.

You're stuck in the 1960s. ND is not the premier program in the country. Not even close.

Now go find an article on google where someone says they are.

 

[Brickell]

At least we have a backup plan in case Diaz leaves or doesnt work out

No way - BVG is AWFUL. He's in the Dorito class of incompetence.