Mark Pope ain’t 6’1, but you win. Carry on, boo. Pope is doomed to failure because college WRs can’t succeed at under 180 pounds. You win.
Chise - you're one of the best posters here, you know your sh*t, and your posts are f'ing hilarious.
I'm not trying to get you say "you win" or battle with you. If you or anyone say something happens all the time - I expect to see examples and may challenge them on it. But it's just opinions, and I probably come across as a **** too much.
Here's how I see things we've been discussing, and I'll leave it alone unless you want to keep going.
Where we 100% agree
Mark Pope and a ton of other WR's can be great college receivers at 170 lbs (or less). I've said this over and over, and that I 100% agree with you at least 3 or 4 times now. No one's said anything close to WR's can't succeed under 180 lbs or are "doomed to failure".
This board skews "College Potential" into "NFL Potential" too often. I agree. I'm one of those people. Even when I try not to, I still get caught up.
Where I see both sides
Pope at 170 lbs factors in 0% on his success at Miami. I wouldn't argue against that. But thinking that Pope only weighing 170 lbs. does have some type of impact on how successful he is at Miami is a completely valid position to take IMO. If someone said it's 100% the main factor holding him back, I'd disagree.
Where we disagree, but I respect your opinion
6'1 170 lb body types are common. I think even at 5-11+, weighing 175 lbs or less is rare (at any position, on any roster)
5-10 172 lb Travis Benjamin & 5-10 186 lb Antonio Brown are similar body types. I don't think you're wrong, I just don't consider them the same body type, even at the same height. I think 10-15 lbs, or 2-3 inches can make a big difference for skill position players. Height/weight/speed, etc - IMO all that is a sliding scale where everyone has their own cutoffs as to what they'd consider a "similar range".
Pope is 5-10 or 5-11. 6-1 is what he's listed at. IMO every player's height/weight on the roster is generally pretty accurate. So I'm going with 6-1 until given reason otherwise. 6-0 wouldn't surprise me, and wouldn't argue thinking it's probable. 5-11 seems possible, but not probable. 5-10 seems possible, but very unlikely. I just don't remember any Miami player being listed 3 inches over their actual height.
It's common for Miami players to completely change their bodies between the end of their last season and the NFL Combine. I think it happens, but that a "complete change" isn't common. Adding or losing 5 lbs is common, but more than 5 isn't IMO. Dropping body fat, improving 40 times, etc. happens all the time - but we're just talking height/weight here. I think Travis Benjamin may have played at 155-160 his Freshman year, but if he weighed 172 lbs at the combine, then he played at more than 155-160 his Senior year. Adding 12-17 lbs to his frame in 2 months, while possible, doesn't seem very likely to me. Not that it hasn't happened, I just can't think of any Miami player that had made a big change to their body right before the combine.