MEGA New Miami Adidas Ultraboost🔥 - The Shoe and Nike/Adidas Thread.

[Rellyrell]

On and Hoka have been absolutely steamrolling Nike running. You can just stop that nonsense right there. I'm a runner so I know exactly how Nike running has taken a massive decline in market share. The problem Nike has in the running space is they are just getting beat by better shoes and better technology. The name brand from the 80's and 90's isn't going to solve that. The only way out of this is to get back to making great running shoes

Ur hubris is hilarious to me. Do u think u’re the only runner? Lmao Do u know how many 26 mi Marathons both my father & myself have been apart of? Do u have many trails I run full speed upon? Oh, U don’t? Sometimes I just let ppl yap, b/c w/e I say is never from emotions…I actually have tangible proof such as:

Nike’s Running Business Is a Definitive Bright Spot, but Some Market Watchers Want to See More Growth

Nike Running added $1 billion over the last five quarter to become a $5 billion business, leading Nike's turnaround. Can that momentum continue?

wwd.com

I clearly said Nike dominated The NCAA indoor & outdoor & The Diamond League & their racing division is stabilizing them. Maybe if u read, first, vs. pontificating, u would’ve learned something.

One more thing….U see, Nike is the founder & creator of the now famed super shoe. It was Nike’s Alphafly that became the first shoe to break under 2 hrs for the marathon. The problem? It was deemed illegal, b/c it was said to give a runner, too, much of a competitive advantage.

Once that moment became a documentary of the super shoe that made Marathon history, wouldn’t u know Adidas took the technology from the Alphafly & tweaked it to create their own version which was deemed legal?

The Alphafly’s (2/29/2020) predecessor Vaporfly (7/20/2017) r the Godfathers to:
-Adizero Adios Pro (6/30/2020)
-Saucony Endorphin Elite (2/21/2023)
-Asics Meta Speed Sky Paris (3/4/2024)
-Puma Divate Nitro 3 (7/1/2024)
-Hoka Cielo X 1 2.0 (2/17/2025)
-New Balance Fuelcell SC Elite v.5 (8/7/2025)

Nike is ALWAYS the standard; others r playing catch up.

 

[ShadowSpring]

On and Hoka have been absolutely steamrolling Nike running. You can just stop that nonsense right there. I'm a runner so I know exactly how Nike running has taken a massive decline in market share. The problem Nike has in the running space is they are just getting beat by better shoes and better technology. The name brand from the 80's and 90's isn't going to solve that. The only way out of this is to get back to making great running shoes

Ur hubris is hilarious to me. Do u think u’re the only runner? Lmao Do u know how many 26 mi Marathons both my father & myself have been apart of? Do u have many trails I run full speed upon? Oh, U don’t? Sometimes I just let ppl yap, b/c w/e I say is never from emotions…I actually have tangible proof such as:

Nike’s Running Business Is a Definitive Bright Spot, but Some Market Watchers Want to See More Growth

Nike Running added $1 billion over the last five quarter to become a $5 billion business, leading Nike's turnaround. Can that momentum continue?

wwd.com

I clearly said Nike dominated The NCAA indoor & outdoor & The Diamond League & their racing division is stabilizing them. Maybe if u read, first, vs. pontificating, u would’ve learned something.

One more thing….U see, Nike is the founder & creator of the now famed super shoe. It was Nike’s Alphafly that became the first shoe to break under 2 hrs for the marathon. The problem? It was deemed illegal, b/c it was said to give a runner, too, much of a competitive advantage.

Once that moment became a documentary of the super shoe that made Marathon history, wouldn’t u know Adidas took the technology from the Alphafly & tweaked it to create their own version which was deemed legal?

The Alphafly’s (2/29/2020) predecessor Vaporfly (7/20/2017) r the Godfathers to:
-Adizero Adios Pro (6/30/2020)
-Saucony Endorphin Elite (2/21/2023)
-Asics Meta Speed Sky Paris (3/4/2024)
-Puma Divate Nitro 3 (7/1/2024)
-Hoka Cielo X 1 2.0 (2/17/2025)
-New Balance Fuelcell SC Elite v.5 (8/7/2025)

Nike is ALWAYS the standard; others r playing catch up.

Nike is being dominated in the running shoe category. Just stop it. This is now sad. You sound like Cane fans during the Manny years. There's been a big boom in the running shoe category and Nike has missed it. The fact it's doing better than the other divisions of Nike doesn't change that fact. Nike is absolutely bleeding market share in the running category. That's just cold reality. Hoka started the rocker shoe category and they are crushing it. They now have 25% of market share. On is waaaaay ahead of Nike in terms of innovation also. They are seeing 40% increase in sales. Crushing Nike. Even New Balance is owning Nike with a 20% increase in sales. Adidas also with a 30% increase in demand. So you can just stop right now before you dig a bigger hole.

Consumer sentiment for Nike has plummeted also. Stocks are down nearly 50%. 7 quarters of decreasing sales. They just got a bump due to the tarrif refund. Nike will likely get it turned around, they mostly need to stop making stupid decisions and get back to one of the leaders in innovation.

Trying to paint a happy face on an otherwise struggling stank pig should be beneath you.

I wanted to post in this thread because Nike did an objectively terrible job with our uniforms. Second, the argument some are making of Nike being this apparel juggernaut that is dominant and everyone wants is just objectively false. Adidas is objectively that brand now comparing the two. On Cloud tho is killing everyone. Like I said I think Nike will recover but if negotiations are taking place Miami has leverage they have never had in said negotiations.

 

[ScoJacks]

On and Hoka have been absolutely steamrolling Nike running. You can just stop that nonsense right there. I'm a runner so I know exactly how Nike running has taken a massive decline in market share. The problem Nike has in the running space is they are just getting beat by better shoes and better technology. The name brand from the 80's and 90's isn't going to solve that. The only way out of this is to get back to making great running shoes

Ur hubris is hilarious to me. Do u think u’re the only runner? Lmao Do u know how many 26 mi Marathons both my father & myself have been apart of? Do u have many trails I run full speed upon? Oh, U don’t? Sometimes I just let ppl yap, b/c w/e I say is never from emotions…I actually have tangible proof such as:

Nike’s Running Business Is a Definitive Bright Spot, but Some Market Watchers Want to See More Growth

Nike Running added $1 billion over the last five quarter to become a $5 billion business, leading Nike's turnaround. Can that momentum continue?

wwd.com

I clearly said Nike dominated The NCAA indoor & outdoor & The Diamond League & their racing division is stabilizing them. Maybe if u read, first, vs. pontificating, u would’ve learned something.

One more thing….U see, Nike is the founder & creator of the now famed super shoe. It was Nike’s Alphafly that became the first shoe to break under 2 hrs for the marathon. The problem? It was deemed illegal, b/c it was said to give a runner, too, much of a competitive advantage.

Once that moment became a documentary of the super shoe that made Marathon history, wouldn’t u know Adidas took the technology from the Alphafly & tweaked it to create their own version which was deemed legal?

The Alphafly’s (2/29/2020) predecessor Vaporfly (7/20/2017) r the Godfathers to:
-Adizero Adios Pro (6/30/2020)
-Saucony Endorphin Elite (2/21/2023)
-Asics Meta Speed Sky Paris (3/4/2024)
-Puma Divate Nitro 3 (7/1/2024)
-Hoka Cielo X 1 2.0 (2/17/2025)
-New Balance Fuelcell SC Elite v.5 (8/7/2025)

Nike is ALWAYS the standard; others r playing catch up.

Nike is being dominated in the running shoe category. Just stop it. This is now sad. You sound like Cane fans during the Manny years. There's been a big boom in the running shoe category and Nike has missed it. The fact it's doing better than the other divisions of Nike doesn't change that fact. Nike is absolutely bleeding market share in the running category. That's just cold reality. Hoka started the rocker shoe category and they are crushing it. They now have 25% of market share. On is waaaaay ahead of Nike in terms of innovation also. They are seeing 40% increase in sales. Crushing Nike. Even New Balance is owning Nike with a 20% increase in sales. Adidas also with a 30% increase in demand. So you can just stop right now before you dig a bigger hole.

Consumer sentiment for Nike has plummeted also. Stocks are down nearly 50%. 7 quarters of decreasing sales. They just got a bump due to the tarrif refund. Nike will likely get it turned around, they mostly need to stop making stupid decisions and get back to one of the leaders in innovation.

Trying to paint a happy face on an otherwise struggling stank pig should be beneath you.

I wanted to post in this thread because Nike did an objectively terrible job with our uniforms. Second, the argument some are making of Nike being this apparel juggernaut that is dominant and everyone wants is just objectively false. Adidas is objectively that brand now comparing the two. On Cloud tho is killing everyone. Like I said I think Nike will recover but if negotiations are taking place Miami has leverage they have never had in said negotiations.

Brother, it’s weird you’re so willing to die on this hill when a simple Google search proves you’re wrong. @TheOriginalCane continues to lay out how the administration asked Nike for nontraditional wacky ****. Not to mention Miami’s WvsL on the field was mediocre at best. Why would Nike treat us above the rest? I’ll take @Rellyrell ‘s facts over your anecdotal thoughts any day. Even if all these other companies are seeing sales increases. Nike is still bigger than all of them combined.

And why are we even discussing running shoes when it comes to Miami’s apparel deal? Are you that concerned with Miami’s long distance runners? Otherwise I want Miami to have the highest quality, best performing, best looking equipment in the country. That is still far and away the Nike product. Now if they lowball us and Adidas comes in with the better deal like @TheOriginalCane is seeking, then so be it.

Just weird you keep getting on that hill and getting killed over and over like a **** cat with 9 lives.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Brother, it’s weird you’re so willing to die on this hill when a simple Google search proves you’re wrong. @TheOriginalCane continues to lay out how the administration asked Nike for nontraditional wacky ****. Not to mention Miami’s WvsL on the field was mediocre at best. Why would Nike treat us above the rest? I’ll take @Rellyrell ‘s facts over your anecdotal thoughts any day. Even if all these other companies are seeing sales increases. Nike is still bigger than all of them combined.

And why are we even discussing running shoes when it comes to Miami’s apparel deal? Are you that concerned with Miami’s long distance runners? Otherwise I want Miami to have the highest quality, best performing, best looking equipment in the country. That is still far and away the Nike product. Now if they lowball us and Adidas comes in with the better deal like @TheOriginalCane is seeking, then so be it.

Just weird you keep getting on that hill and getting killed over and over like a **** cat with 9 lives.

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None of that proves anything I said wrong. The dumbest thing you posted is On. They are seeing 40% sales increase. WTF are you trying to argue here?

Hoka has taken 25% of the running shoe market. We talking about RUNNING SHOES. Use proper search criteria. Go to any running club and get back to me what they are wearing. I'll wait for that answer.

 

[ScoJacks]

I literally googled running shoe market share

 

[MiamisMoperiestMopes]

 

[ShadowSpring]

I literally googled running shoe market share

Bro if you continue trying to argue Hoka isn't killing everyone in the running shoe space you may want to delete later. They revolutionized the running shoe market and are THE brand. They came out of nowhere and in 10 years they've taken over. All these high stack rocker shoes are copies of Hoka's. Even On Cloud are copying them to some degree with different tech. I prefer more traditional shoes but Hoka's are easy to run in for just about anyone.

 

[ScoJacks]

I literally googled running shoe market share

Bro if you continue trying to argue Hoka isn't killing everyone in the running shoe space you may want to delete later. They revolutionized the running shoe market and are THE brand. They came out of nowhere and in 10 years they've taken over. All these high stack rocker shoes are copies of Hoka's. Even On Cloud are copying them to some degree with different tech. I prefer more traditional shoes but Hoka's are easy to run in for just about anyone.

 

[n0rcalcane]

I literally googled running shoe market share

Bro if you continue trying to argue Hoka isn't killing everyone in the running shoe space you may want to delete later. They revolutionized the running shoe market and are THE brand. They came out of nowhere and in 10 years they've taken over. All these high stack rocker shoes are copies of Hoka's. Even On Cloud are copying them to some degree with different tech. I prefer more traditional shoes but Hoka's are easy to run in for just about anyone.

I’m sorry are you in a Glengarry Glen Ross type situation for On and Hokas? How tf does Hoka feeling nice on your feet apply to a thread about uniforms? Especially when the posts above you provide the cold hard data that Nike still controls a far heftier market share?

 

[ShadowSpring]

I’m sorry are you in a Glengarry Glen Ross type situation for On and Hokas? How tf does Hoka feeling nice on your feet apply to a thread about uniforms? Especially when the posts above you provide the cold hard data that Nike still controls a far heftier market share?

Not for long. Nike is getting crushed by not 1 but more like 5 brands. Never once did I say Nike still doesn't have the majority of the casual running shoe market, aka fat moms and dads. They are however getting decimated in the real performance runner market. IMO that will also slowly effect the moms and dads in the casual running market aka folks that just walk around in running shoes.

What does this have to do with a uniform or apparel supplier? Well gee Nike is not the company they have been and are losing customers. Even the running shoe market as I have proven. This can help in a negation or change the calculus altogether if Adidas isn't actually a brand with a brighter future. Numbers say that might be the case.

Nike has a long history and millions of loyal customers. It's a cult at times. What I have been trying to say is that's starting to change. Brands like Hoka are becoming that next brand with a cult following. Nike is falling behind. Nike needs something to hit, making decent stuff isn't enough. They have seemed to be focused on retro, but that can be dangerous. It's cool to be retro if you are Converse, but you don't want to be retro when it comes to buying performance athletic/running shoes. Makes sense to me.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Look, let's all calm down and just work through these realities. With facts. Not hype and 12 year-old anecdotal evidence.



1. Stock price doesn't matter (market cap is the better metric anyhow). We are not getting Nike or adidas stock as a part of our deal.

2. On and Hoka and Asics and every other brand NOT named Nike or adidas...also has no bearing on the conversation.

3. ADMITTEDLY, the prior Nike CEO got the priorities messed up, and the current CEO is fixing things. It will take time and the TIMING of our renewal is poor FROM NIKE'S STANDPOINT if they are trying to get back together with Miami.

4. ADMITTEDLY (by me anyhow), adidas has done a good job of getting in the high school game, the 7-on-7 game, and the "we're going to pay some NIL on top of the deal" game. The TIMING of this is fantastic FROM ADIDAS'S STANDPOINT if they are trying to retain Miami.

5. Repeatedly, I have cited a couple of key points that should be taken into account in the analysis. The first is the MYTH of "Nike doesn't love Miami anymore" from 2013 to 2015 when Beta Blake James was ******** up the relationship and the money. The second is this issue of "bad jersey design", which both companies have been guilty of, and the apparel companies' roles should share co-equal blame with the decisions of our past Athletic Directors. And finally, we should not ignore the ups and downs of adidas-love. One minute they love Miami. Within two years, they are giving a better deal to Louisville and not honoring the terms of the Miami deal (to match). This hot-cold adidas has been observed in other areas too, as @Rellyrell has pointed out. So, yes, this has a bearing on whether you trust everything adidas promises while they try to land Contract 2.0.

6. We must ISOLATE on the two broad components of the deliverables (setting aside, for the moment, the NIL and marketing activation components). (A) What does our apparel company partner deliver TO THE ATHLETES, and (B) what does our apparel company partner deliver TO THE FANS (I'll get to the cash money in point #7). In this regard, I believe that Nike has the edge in both. NOT IN RUNNING SHOES. But in jersey quality, cleats quality, equipment quality. And in volume, variety, and quality of fan merchandise. Are these things insurmountable? No, but I still believe them to be very important. Some can mock whether @Rellyrell 's list of player injuries (in the adidas time period) should be relied upon, but if there is a differential between how Nike outfits players and how adidas outfits players, it should be discussed. I can't tell whether "it's all about the shoes" is the sole cause or direct cause or one of several causes of each injury, I just know that there are some differences in approach. As for the fan gear, I've already made it clear that I'm no longer buying UM-adidas merch, it's just not good. But to each his own, and if you really like it, that's fine. I'll just say that my 15 year old Nike polos are holding up better than my 5 year old adidas polos.

7. The cash-money. Now we get down to the nitty-gritty. I've made the case many times, and passionately. I (and most SEC schools) don't give a **** about annual guarantees. Each year, the "new" renewals and "new" contracts will outstrip us, and make the "2027 extension numbers" look like peanuts. The simple solution, and the solution that TRULY shows whether an apparel company wants to be our partner (regardless of whether we are the #1 or the #10 partner) is the 15% royalty. That's it. The SEC schools know that, and they demand that.

That's it. Stop fighting.

YES, if @ShadowSpring wants to post a picture of an old Nike jersey, I'll post a picture of an old (or new) adidas jersey.

But on the SUBSTANCE of the arguments, this should be fairly simple. Maybe Nike is still mad about Mario leaving Oregon, which is strange, because Nike seems to have gotten over its feels on PLENTY of other teams and countries. And maybe adidas is going to win this by a wide margin because Nike isn't willing to match on NEW critical deal points, like providing a big chunk of NIL money.

Finally, I don't see why everyone got scared when I started talking about the 15% royalty. It should be something adidas (or Nike) is willing to do, since we are such a "small" school with such a "small" fanbase, right? But it also rewards the strong, and I believe that UM is getting bigger (student-wise) and stronger (sports-wise). And we will sell a LOT more merch under the new contract.

Just my 2 cents. Or 7 cents, with inflation.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Look, let's all calm down and just work through these realities. With facts. Not hype and 12 year-old anecdotal evidence.



1. Stock price doesn't matter (market cap is the better metric anyhow). We are not getting Nike or adidas stock as a part of our deal.

2. On and Hoka and Asics and every other brand NOT named Nike or adidas...also has no bearing on the conversation.

3. ADMITTEDLY, the prior Nike CEO got the priorities messed up, and the current CEO is fixing things. It will take time and the TIMING of our renewal is poor FROM NIKE'S STANDPOINT if they are trying to get back together with Miami.

4. ADMITTEDLY (by me anyhow), adidas has done a good job of getting in the high school game, the 7-on-7 game, and the "we're going to pay some NIL on top of the deal" game. The TIMING of this is fantastic FROM ADIDAS'S STANDPOINT if they are trying to retain Miami.

5. Repeatedly, I have cited a couple of key points that should be taken into account in the analysis. The first is the MYTH of "Nike doesn't love Miami anymore" from 2013 to 2015 when Beta Blake James was ******** up the relationship and the money. The second is this issue of "bad jersey design", which both companies have been guilty of, and the apparel companies' roles should share co-equal blame with the decisions of our past Athletic Directors. And finally, we should not ignore the ups and downs of adidas-love. One minute they love Miami. Within two years, they are giving a better deal to Louisville and not honoring the terms of the Miami deal (to match). This hot-cold adidas has been observed in other areas too, as @Rellyrell has pointed out. So, yes, this has a bearing on whether you trust everything adidas promises while they try to land Contract 2.0.

6. We must ISOLATE on the two broad components of the deliverables (setting aside, for the moment, the NIL and marketing activation components). (A) What does our apparel company partner deliver TO THE ATHLETES, and (B) what does our apparel company partner deliver TO THE FANS (I'll get to the cash money in point #7). In this regard, I believe that Nike has the edge in both. NOT IN RUNNING SHOES. But in jersey quality, cleats quality, equipment quality. And in volume, variety, and quality of fan merchandise. Are these things insurmountable? No, but I still believe them to be very important. Some can mock whether @Rellyrell 's list of player injuries (in the adidas time period) should be relied upon, but if there is a differential between how Nike outfits players and how adidas outfits players, it should be discussed. I can't tell whether "it's all about the shoes" is the sole cause or direct cause or one of several causes of each injury, I just know that there are some differences in approach. As for the fan gear, I've already made it clear that I'm no longer buying UM-adidas merch, it's just not good. But to each his own, and if you really like it, that's fine. I'll just say that my 15 year old Nike polos are holding up better than my 5 year old adidas polos.

7. The cash-money. Now we get down to the nitty-gritty. I've made the case many times, and passionately. I (and most SEC schools) don't give a **** about annual guarantees. Each year, the "new" renewals and "new" contracts will outstrip us, and make the "2027 extension numbers" look like peanuts. The simple solution, and the solution that TRULY shows whether an apparel company wants to be our partner (regardless of whether we are the #1 or the #10 partner) is the 15% royalty. That's it. The SEC schools know that, and they demand that.

That's it. Stop fighting.

YES, if @ShadowSpring wants to post a picture of an old Nike jersey, I'll post a picture of an old (or new) adidas jersey.

But on the SUBSTANCE of the arguments, this should be fairly simple. Maybe Nike is still mad about Mario leaving Oregon, which is strange, because Nike seems to have gotten over its feels on PLENTY of other teams and countries. And maybe adidas is going to win this by a wide margin because Nike isn't willing to match on NEW critical deal points, like providing a big chunk of NIL money.

Finally, I don't see why everyone got scared when I started talking about the 15% royalty. It should be something adidas (or Nike) is willing to do, since we are such a "small" school with such a "small" fanbase, right? But it also rewards the strong, and I believe that UM is getting bigger (student-wise) and stronger (sports-wise). And we will sell a LOT more merch under the new contract.

Just my 2 cents. Or 7 cents, with inflation.

Why is it important to sign with Nike as they are a declining company? So many of you act like Nike is this amazing prestigious brand and we should all be excited about a Swoosh on some apparel, but that's mostly memories.

Adidas is a growing company again after they were in trouble not too long ago. They are doing great work in youth football and signing tons of talent.

Go with the best deal. I haven't run the numbers like I assume you have, but the royalties idea doesn't seem like a bad one.

 

[Garnacho]

Ur hubris is hilarious to me. Do u think u’re the only runner? Lmao Do u know how many 26 mi Marathons both my father & myself have been apart of? Do u have many trails I run full speed upon? Oh, U don’t? Sometimes I just let ppl yap, b/c w/e I say is never from emotions…I actually have tangible proof such as:

Nike’s Running Business Is a Definitive Bright Spot, but Some Market Watchers Want to See More Growth

Nike Running added $1 billion over the last five quarter to become a $5 billion business, leading Nike's turnaround. Can that momentum continue?

wwd.com

I clearly said Nike dominated The NCAA indoor & outdoor & The Diamond League & their racing division is stabilizing them. Maybe if u read, first, vs. pontificating, u would’ve learned something.

One more thing….U see, Nike is the founder & creator of the now famed super shoe. It was Nike’s Alphafly that became the first shoe to break under 2 hrs for the marathon. The problem? It was deemed illegal, b/c it was said to give a runner, too, much of a competitive advantage.

Once that moment became a documentary of the super shoe that made Marathon history, wouldn’t u know Adidas took the technology from the Alphafly & tweaked it to create their own version which was deemed legal?

The Alphafly’s (2/29/2020) predecessor Vaporfly (7/20/2017) r the Godfathers to:
-Adizero Adios Pro (6/30/2020)
-Saucony Endorphin Elite (2/21/2023)
-Asics Meta Speed Sky Paris (3/4/2024)
-Puma Divate Nitro 3 (7/1/2024)
-Hoka Cielo X 1 2.0 (2/17/2025)
-New Balance Fuelcell SC Elite v.5 (8/7/2025)

Nike is ALWAYS the standard; others r playing catch up.

I was going to comment on another post of yours regarding Asia. I usually get try every basketball shoe that comes out of China - 95% of every basketball shoe out of China is an evolution of one of these - Kobe 4,5,6,8,9. I think they do absolute great job with their shoes but they’re all going off old Kobe blueprints

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Why is it important to sign with Nike as they are a declining company? So many of you act like Nike is this amazing prestigious brand and we should all be excited about a Swoosh on some apparel, but that's mostly memories.

Adidas is a growing company again after they were in trouble not too long ago. They are doing great work in youth football and signing tons of talent.

Go with the best deal. I haven't run the numbers like I assume you have, but the royalties idea doesn't seem like a bad one.

"Declining".

"Growing".

Those are words used to describe a point in time. Or a short period of time.

Every company, at some point, hits the highest stock price it has ever hit. Where to go from there? Usually...a decline.

And every company, at some point, hits the (non-bankruptcy) lowest stock price it has ever hit. Nowhere to go but up, right?

Nobody is saying that THIS CURRENT MOMENT that you are describing is incorrect. We are merely pointing out that these things are cyclical. Let's say that Miami signs with the "growing" company over the "declining" company? What happens when these trends reverse and we are locked into another 12-year contract?

And if Michael Jordan used your logic, he never would have signed with Nike. He would have signed with adidas, as he wanted to do.

 

[Hufftwoseven]

I’m still Nike over Adidas for apparel brand. I will state though that I prefer other companies over Nike for running shoes. Been running in the ASICS Noveblast 5 and previously the NB rebel v5. Next will probably be the Adidas Evo SL

 

[ShadowSpring]

"Declining".

"Growing".

Those are words used to describe a point in time. Or a short period of time.

Every company, at some point, hits the highest stock price it has ever hit. Where to go from there? Usually...a decline.

And every company, at some point, hits the (non-bankruptcy) lowest stock price it has ever hit. Nowhere to go but up, right?

Nobody is saying that THIS CURRENT MOMENT that you are describing is incorrect. We are merely pointing out that these things are cyclical. Let's say that Miami signs with the "growing" company over the "declining" company? What happens when these trends reverse and we are locked into another 12-year contract?

And if Michael Jordan used your logic, he never would have signed with Nike. He would have signed with adidas, as he wanted to do.

I've said many times I expect Nike to be ok in the end. They will likely lose more market share but will remain a titan in apparel.

 

[dccane06]

Bro if you continue trying to argue Hoka isn't killing everyone in the running shoe space you may want to delete later. They revolutionized the running shoe market and are THE brand. They came out of nowhere and in 10 years they've taken over. All these high stack rocker shoes are copies of Hoka's. Even On Cloud are copying them to some degree with different tech. I prefer more traditional shoes but Hoka's are easy to run in for just about anyone.

You mean the same Hokas you have to replace every like 300 miles? Nike Pegasus are literally the perfect daily beater training shoes. Hokas and Onclouds are popular right now because they "look cool" not because their superior running shoe.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I've said many times I expect Nike to be ok in the end. They will likely lose more market share but will remain a titan in apparel.

So then if Nike is going to be OK in the end, I'm less concerned with the "declining" adjective.

 

[ShadowSpring]

You mean the same Hokas you have to replace every like 300 miles? Nike Pegasus are literally the perfect daily beater training shoes. Hokas and Onclouds are popular right now because they "look cool" not because their superior running shoe.

I don't run with On, Nike, Adidas, or even Hoka. I've used Hoka's in the past for sure, always been happy with them and will agree durability isn't the best. I've also had a bunch of Nike's, some good, some I didn't like. Personally, I run with mostly New Balance, Reebok (Adidas owned), and Skechers. I can get those for waay less $ typically with sales.

I am not advocating for any of these brands. I am just mentioning who's selling the most.

 

[Rellyrell]

Brother, it’s weird you’re so willing to die on this hill when a simple Google search proves you’re wrong. @TheOriginalCane continues to lay out how the administration asked Nike for nontraditional wacky ****. Not to mention Miami’s WvsL on the field was mediocre at best. Why would Nike treat us above the rest? I’ll take @Rellyrell ‘s facts over your anecdotal thoughts any day. Even if all these other companies are seeing sales increases. Nike is still bigger than all of them combined.

And why are we even discussing running shoes when it comes to Miami’s apparel deal? Are you that concerned with Miami’s long distance runners? Otherwise I want Miami to have the highest quality, best performing, best looking equipment in the country. That is still far and away the Nike product. Now if they lowball us and Adidas comes in with the better deal like @TheOriginalCane is seeking, then so be it.

Just weird you keep getting on that hill and getting killed over and over like a **** cat with 9 lives.

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Ppl rather be right, while loud & wrong, vs. admitting it’s their bad.