My rant...

[Coach Macho]

Haven't read all the post but are people stating that we're spot dropping because a LB is looking at the qb?

We're spot dropping because our LB's sit in their "zone" and watch the QB instead of finding the WR's and meeting them at the apex of their route.

 

[Coach Macho]

We can't handle the passing game, because we have no pass rush. Everyone in pass coverage is going to look suspect when a QB has a decade to throw. Even the best DB/S/LB is going to struggle when no one even comes close to sacking a QB. Coaches should have already unleashed AQM on all downs. Dude is far better than any DE we have atm.

Has little to do with pass rush. We're being beat intermediately. (i.e. the ball is coming out of the QB's hands quick)

 

[zone3cane]

Haven't read all the post but are people stating that we're spot dropping because a LB is looking at the qb?

We're spot dropping because our LB's sit in their "zone" and watch the QB instead of finding the WR's and meeting them at the apex of their route.

That's why Miami should play a nickel base so we will have more DBs in zone coverage instead of LBs.

 

[zone3cane]

We can't handle the passing game, because we have no pass rush. Everyone in pass coverage is going to look suspect when a QB has a decade to throw. Even the best DB/S/LB is going to struggle when no one even comes close to sacking a QB. Coaches should have already unleashed AQM on all downs. Dude is far better than any DE we have atm.

Has little to do with pass rush. We're being beat intermediately. (i.e. the ball is coming out of the QB's hands quick)

but that's what D'onofrio wants to give up the intermediate plays.... he's all about giving up as many yards as needed until the offense makes a mistake. It doesnt work.

 

[FullyERicht]

The LBs are abysmal in coverage, but even WORSE in zone. We have two elite former LBs on staff in D and Barrow and we are atrocious out there. I don't get it.

 

[Coach Macho]

We can't handle the passing game, because we have no pass rush. Everyone in pass coverage is going to look suspect when a QB has a decade to throw. Even the best DB/S/LB is going to struggle when no one even comes close to sacking a QB. Coaches should have already unleashed AQM on all downs. Dude is far better than any DE we have atm.

Has little to do with pass rush. We're being beat intermediately. (i.e. the ball is coming out of the QB's hands quick)

but that's what D'onofrio wants to give up the intermediate plays.... he's all about giving up as many yards as needed until the offense makes a mistake. It doesnt work.

Yeah but it's allowing teams to nickel and dime us all the way down the field.

 

[Dynasty]

I had an article about Satan's pattern matching saved on my computer but can't find it at the moment. The alternative is an article I found on Tomahawk Nation prior to the season about J. Pruitt's defense at fsu. It's a preview Pruitt's defense and it goes into some details about pattern reading and distribution. Hope the link works.


http://www.tomahawknation.com/florida-state-football-fsu-noles/2013/9/1/467960/florida-state-football-preview-2013-defense

Well, the link doesn't work. Perhaps someone can help me out here. Thanks in advance.

 

[OBLIVION]

We can't handle the passing game, because we have no pass rush. Everyone in pass coverage is going to look suspect when a QB has a decade to throw. Even the best DB/S/LB is going to struggle when no one even comes close to sacking a QB. Coaches should have already unleashed AQM on all downs. Dude is far better than any DE we have atm.

Has little to do with pass rush. We're being beat intermediately. (i.e. the ball is coming out of the QB's hands quick)

You still need a pass rush to get into passing lanes, and a DL that gets it's hands up. Sacking a QB is not the only way to disrupt a QB. These QB are still making their drops. It's not as if we been playing a Mike Leach TT team every week.

 

[Dynasty]

A second attempt. I think the link works now.

http://www.tomahawknation.com/flori...overage-scheme-defense-florida-state-football

 

[Coach Macho]

We can't handle the passing game, because we have no pass rush. Everyone in pass coverage is going to look suspect when a QB has a decade to throw. Even the best DB/S/LB is going to struggle when no one even comes close to sacking a QB. Coaches should have already unleashed AQM on all downs. Dude is far better than any DE we have atm.

Has little to do with pass rush. We're being beat intermediately. (i.e. the ball is coming out of the QB's hands quick)

You still need a pass rush to get into passing lanes, and a DL that gets it's hands up. Sacking a QB is not the only way to disrupt a QB. These QB are still making their drops. It's not as if we been playing a Mike Leach TT team every week.

True.

 

[Coach Macho]

I had an article about Satan's pattern matching saved on my computer but can't find it at the moment. The alternative is an article I found on Tomahawk Nation prior to the season about J. Pruitt's defense at fsu. It's a preview Pruitt's defense and it goes into some details about pattern reading and distribution. Hope the link works.


http://www.tomahawknation.com/florida-state-football-fsu-noles/2013/9/1/467960/florida-state-football-preview-2013-defense

Well, the link doesn't work. Perhaps someone can help me out here. Thanks in advance.

Nice read. Thanks.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Well it looks like you guys forgot the discussion just a couple short months ago. Here's Al's UVA playbook in 2004. He taught route recognition then.....I guess he forgot.

http://www.footballxos.com/download/defense/college-defense/2004-Virginia-Defense.pdf

Here's what Wildcat said in Able's original thread.....I guess he must have forgotten. http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/55173-UVA-s-2004-defensive-playbook-(when-Al-was-DC)

This is almost identical to some of the stuff I run, only my ILB's are called "Mike" and "Will" and my weakside OLB is the "Rush". That "Under 6" play is something I run frequently.

In the Cover-2, the CB is reading #2. The CB will sink until something shows in the flats. If #2 doesn't go to flat (i.e. he runs inside or vertical) the CB will 'man' #1. If #2 and #1 run vertical then it turns into Cover-4 on that side. If it turns into Cover-4 then the LB to that side of the ball must "expand" with #3 (could be a RB) to the flats.

If Miami's willing to sign a bunch of small, slow white kids then I can provide them with plenty of players who will understand their scheme from day one. LOL

But all jokes aside, you can see why most of our kids are having a hard time. This is alot of stuff for kids to understand, especially kids from South Florida who only run Cover-2 Man for 4 years. You can bet your *** that kids like Artie Burns don't know any of these techniques.

This type of defense will make your kids look super slow if they don't know their reads. Kids who run 4.3 will get toasted because their brain is spinning. For example, a kid like Crawford who runs a 4.4 but can easily get roasted while playing our version of Cover-2. While he's "sinking" in his zone, he's reading #2 and his brain is slowing down just enough for #1 to run right by him on a vertical. On tape it looks like #1 just ran right by Crawford and smoked him, but in actuality Crawford was running slower because he was unsure about his read on #2.

It's a defense that has to be repped over and over and over again, but when the kids get it right it can be very ****.

 

[LuCane]

Well it looks like you guys forgot the discussion just a couple short months ago. Here's Al's UVA playbook in 2004. He taught route recognition then.....I guess he forgot.

http://www.footballxos.com/download/defense/college-defense/2004-Virginia-Defense.pdf

Here's what Wildcat said in Able's original thread.....I guess he must have forgotten. http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/55173-UVA-s-2004-defensive-playbook-(when-Al-was-DC)

This is almost identical to some of the stuff I run, only my ILB's are called "Mike" and "Will" and my weakside OLB is the "Rush". That "Under 6" play is something I run frequently.

In the Cover-2, the CB is reading #2. The CB will sink until something shows in the flats. If #2 doesn't go to flat (i.e. he runs inside or vertical) the CB will 'man' #1. If #2 and #1 run vertical then it turns into Cover-4 on that side. If it turns into Cover-4 then the LB to that side of the ball must "expand" with #3 (could be a RB) to the flats.

If Miami's willing to sign a bunch of small, slow white kids then I can provide them with plenty of players who will understand their scheme from day one. LOL

But all jokes aside, you can see why most of our kids are having a hard time. This is alot of stuff for kids to understand, especially kids from South Florida who only run Cover-2 Man for 4 years. You can bet your *** that kids like Artie Burns don't know any of these techniques.

This type of defense will make your kids look super slow if they don't know their reads. Kids who run 4.3 will get toasted because their brain is spinning. For example, a kid like Crawford who runs a 4.4 but can easily get roasted while playing our version of Cover-2. While he's "sinking" in his zone, he's reading #2 and his brain is slowing down just enough for #1 to run right by him on a vertical. On tape it looks like #1 just ran right by Crawford and smoked him, but in actuality Crawford was running slower because he was unsure about his read on #2.

It's a defense that has to be repped over and over and over again, but when the kids get it right it can be very ****.

Like I mentioned a few posts ago, I think it's obviously a conscious decision. No coach at any level is oblivious to this stuff. I've seen it done with 7th graders.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Like I mentioned a few posts ago, I think it's obviously a conscious decision. No coach at any level is oblivious to this stuff. I've seen it done with 7th graders.

That's really been my point the whole time.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

and for those of you who think Coley and Kehoe are just running free willy.......maybe you should check out this video:

http://www.championshipproductions....Action-Pass-Packages_FD-04363.html?crm=a-3047

Golden knows what he wants to get done.......on both sides of the ball. Period.

preview of that video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC6haRpDg4o

 

[zone3cane]

We can't handle the passing game, because we have no pass rush. Everyone in pass coverage is going to look suspect when a QB has a decade to throw. Even the best DB/S/LB is going to struggle when no one even comes close to sacking a QB. Coaches should have already unleashed AQM on all downs. Dude is far better than any DE we have atm.

Has little to do with pass rush. We're being beat intermediately. (i.e. the ball is coming out of the QB's hands quick)

but that's what D'onofrio wants to give up the intermediate plays.... he's all about giving up as many yards as needed until the offense makes a mistake. It doesnt work.

Yeah but it's allowing teams to nickel and dime us all the way down the field.

which is hurting the offense..... i would rather, for example, D'nofrio just risk Winston throwing a deep ball for a TD in 2 plays, instead of taking 8 minutes off the clock and still scoring.

Miami shouldve played containment football and tightened the zone to kill all the underneath ****, run game, screen game, quick pass.... and force Benjamin and Greene to challenge our DBs deep. If they win **** it, the offense gets back on the field and tries to get some points on the board.

All of this nickel and dime **** just eats up the clock, and they score anyway, then it puts more pressure on the offense to execute perfectly in crunch time situations.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

What defensive philosophy purposely ALLOWS offenses to march down the field 8 yards at a time?

The difference between pattern matching vs. spot dropping is Perryman sitting on top of that curl route vs. standing 5 feet next to it. There's no logical reason why Perryman should allow that curl to be complete. He doesn't give up anything by converging on the curl.

*shrugs*



So then why isn't D'Onofrio using pattern reading?

You tell me. Maybe it's not apart of his scheme? Maybe he doesn't believe in it?

Tell me why we get tore up intermediately no matter who we play.

I believe they're going this route because they believe it puts them in the best position to win. Don't give up the big play, limit miscommunication, keep everything in front of you, tackle crisply and convert a mistake into a turnover. How many tackles has Miami missed on 3rd down where if the kid made the play it would have forced a punt? Probably a third in my estimate. Miami gets nothing out of its tackles, no push, no way to disrupt a throwing lane.

 

[Coach Macho]

I don't remember what that file had in it and i can't open it right now...but my concern isn't with the DB's and their reads/technique...I'm worried about the LB's cause that's who gets picked on weekly.

Just cause your CB's are playing 2-sink doesn't mean your LB's aren't spot dropping. What does that file say about LB pass reads? I honestly don't remember.

Either way, doesn't really matter to me.

*If we are indeed spot dropping it's obviously a weakness and should be addressed, unless of course the coaches are content with teams marching down the field.

*If we're pattern matching then we suck at it and ultimately that falls on the coaches too. No reason why 3 and 4 year players shouldn't be able to pattern match.

I don't know why any coach would be content with constantly giving up 10 yards on flare and curl routes.

The only excuse that i can personally accept is that he chooses to spot drop cause our players can't (mentally) execute pattern matching. THAT is something that understand.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

What defensive philosophy purposely ALLOWS offenses to march down the field 8 yards at a time?

The difference between pattern matching vs. spot dropping is Perryman sitting on top of that curl route vs. standing 5 feet next to it. There's no logical reason why Perryman should allow that curl to be complete. He doesn't give up anything by converging on the curl.

*shrugs*



So then why isn't D'Onofrio using pattern reading?

You tell me. Maybe it's not apart of his scheme? Maybe he doesn't believe in it?

Tell me why we get tore up intermediately no matter who we play.

No defensive coordinator wants to die a slow death by getting nickeled and dimed to death. But they also make tradeoffs with the personnel they have. I believe their philosophy with what they have to work with is to the minimize the big play, keep everything in front of them, limit miscommunication, tackle crisply, and force an error (penalty, turnover).

 

[NateDogg]

What defensive philosophy purposely ALLOWS offenses to march down the field 8 yards at a time?

The difference between pattern matching vs. spot dropping is Perryman sitting on top of that curl route vs. standing 5 feet next to it. There's no logical reason why Perryman should allow that curl to be complete. He doesn't give up anything by converging on the curl.

*shrugs*



So then why isn't D'Onofrio using pattern reading?

You tell me. Maybe it's not apart of his scheme? Maybe he doesn't believe in it?

Tell me why we get tore up intermediately no matter who we play.

No defensive coordinator wants to die a slow death by getting nickeled and dimed to death. But they also make tradeoffs with the personnel they have. I believe their philosophy with what they have to work with is to the minimize the big play, keep everything in front of them, limit miscommunication, tackle crisply, and force an error (penalty, turnover).

THIS

look, I absolutely swear at the tv as much as anybody when we allow wake forest to walk up the field on us...but is last year REALLY THAT DISTANT OF A MEMORY??? our defense last year was literally invisible...this year with basically the same average personnel, we have been able to increase turnovers, actually generate what would have to be seen as close to an average pass rush (still A WAYS to go) and limit long scoring plays. The last one is the biggest difference, by limiting the big play it causes the offense to run more plays and increases a chance they make an error. The reason we need to take that approach is the fact the defense is still severely lacking in talent up front. The guys that do have talent just arent ready yet. People then want to bash anybody that points to a lack in talent as an excuse, well its a fact. How many teams are running out TOMATO CANS as JRs/SRs like us??? I can guarantee you nobody in the top 25 is working with the same BS we are. I guarantee our defense is improved next year and by 2015 will be the linchpin of our team. I would also be willing to bet my life that once the talent is in place we start to run a more aggressive defensive scheme, golden isnt an idiot and neither is d'nofrio...they dont have enough to take chances on defense right now because there's literally zero room for error. TALENT evens the field and once we have more out there we can take gambles.