My rant...

[Big Sky Cane]

All this talk about the defense waiting for the offense to ***** up is hogwash too.

First off, that's a lousy way to play defense.

Secondly, FSU could've nickel and dimed us all day. Winston threw his 1st pick cause we were in man and he got greedy. You can't sit back all game and hope for QB's to make mistakes like that cause, more often than not, they're not going to.


"Guys here's the gameplan. We're gonna sit back and play really soft zone and wait for the best QB in the nation to throw us a ball."

So then why because you never answered my question? I'm not debating whether you're right or wrong. As a matter of fact I'll concede you are correct. You're a smart guy. I've coached. You're coaching. Golden has been a defensive position coach and a defensive coordinator as the Division 1 level. So has D'Onofrio. Both have probably forgotten more than I know and probably you as well. They certainly know their personnel a **** of a lot better than you or I.

I don't know dude.

But I do know this. Not every coach in college does the "right" thing or the "better" thing. And just cause they coach D1 doesn't mean they're "all knowing" and always right. By that belief, we can assume that every college coach is a mastermind and they always do the right thing. That simply isn't the case.

I was just talking to my buddy today that coaches in college. We were talking about the same exact subject.

With that said...I'm positive they know more about football than I do but that doesn't mean anything once the ball's kicked off. The guy I coached under when I first got to WHS was a former college defensive coach. (Butler CC and Indiana State) His defenses at WHS were never very good and then after WHS he went on to coach at Maitland and his defenses still weren't very good. The new DC that took over for me currently has WHS ranked dead last in defense and he's fresh off a college coaching staff.

Some coaches know all the principles, schemes and techniques (such as pattern matching) but don't choose to implement them. Just cause the techniques exist doesn't mean a coach has to believe in them. Two-gapping is a good example. Every coach knows it exists but very few DC's in college choose to implement it. (D'Onofrio being one of them) D'Onofrio believes that two-gapping is best for his defense while a DC at another school might think he's crazy for using that scheme.

I'm not sure there's a "right" or "wrong" way to do things. Some things just boil down to preference. It LOOKS LIKE D'Onofrio's preference is to spot-drop with his LB's. If that's his preference, so be it, but I don't think it's what's best cause it appears to be killing us on Saturday's. Just like it's his preference to use a two-gap technique on the DL. Some people might not think it's the best scheme because we can't penetrate and/or get many TFL's but D'Onofrio might like it because it allows us to have more gap integrity. *shrugs*

If Golden and Coach D didn't have over a decade of proof that they can coach defense then your post might have merit.....but they do.

 

[sebastian91]

FYI, in his presser today (@~3:00), AG said (paraphrasing) that 'we're drifting too much in our zone coverage and allowing catches underneath and not making the tackles that we need, better in man coverage, but then we're allowing scrambling'

 

[FullyERicht]

WCD: it's funny bc I really cannot say for certain we are a 3-4 Cover 3 base. The fact that there is no clarity to me is a huge issue.

When Pete Carroll talked about his now dominant Seattle defensive system, he said he originally tried the hybrid looks at SC but the players couldn't learn it and the coaches couldn't teach it.

And I think that's what is happening here. And to try to simplify things, instead of scrapping the "multiple" idea, we just make our zone coverage simpleton. Although I can't believe any professional would EVER teach spot dropping out of a cover three, on so many third and longs that is exactly what it looks like. It doesn't make sense to me.

I wish they would pick one front and coach towards that, and let the coverage be dictated by that front.

Going to review the UNC and Wake games again for what we do on third down.....

 

[Pentagon Cane]

All this talk about the defense waiting for the offense to ***** up is hogwash too.

First off, that's a lousy way to play defense.

Secondly, FSU could've nickel and dimed us all day. Winston threw his 1st pick cause we were in man and he got greedy. You can't sit back all game and hope for QB's to make mistakes like that cause, more often than not, they're not going to.


"Guys here's the gameplan. We're gonna sit back and play really soft zone and wait for the best QB in the nation to throw us a ball."

So then why because you never answered my question? I'm not debating whether you're right or wrong. As a matter of fact I'll concede you are correct. You're a smart guy. I've coached. You're coaching. Golden has been a defensive position coach and a defensive coordinator as the Division 1 level. So has D'Onofrio. Both have probably forgotten more than I know and probably you as well. They certainly know their personnel a **** of a lot better than you or I.

I don't know dude.

But I do know this. Not every coach in college does the "right" thing or the "better" thing. And just cause they coach D1 doesn't mean they're "all knowing" and always right. By that belief, we can assume that every college coach is a mastermind and they always do the right thing. That simply isn't the case.

I was just talking to my buddy today that coaches in college. We were talking about the same exact subject.

With that said...I'm positive they know more about football than I do but that doesn't mean anything once the ball's kicked off. The guy I coached under when I first got to WHS was a former college defensive coach. (Butler CC and Indiana State) His defenses at WHS were never very good and then after WHS he went on to coach at Maitland and his defenses still weren't very good. The new DC that took over for me currently has WHS ranked dead last in defense and he's fresh off a college coaching staff.

Some coaches know all the principles, schemes and techniques (such as pattern matching) but don't choose to implement them. Just cause the techniques exist doesn't mean a coach has to believe in them. Two-gapping is a good example. Every coach knows it exists but very few DC's in college choose to implement it. (D'Onofrio being one of them) D'Onofrio believes that two-gapping is best for his defense while a DC at another school might think he's crazy for using that scheme.

I'm not sure there's a "right" or "wrong" way to do things. Some things just boil down to preference. It LOOKS LIKE D'Onofrio's preference is to spot-drop with his LB's. If that's his preference, so be it, but I don't think it's what's best cause it appears to be killing us on Saturday's. Just like it's his preference to use a two-gap technique on the DL. Some people might not think it's the best scheme because we can't penetrate and/or get many TFL's but D'Onofrio might like it because it allows us to have more gap integrity. *shrugs*

Very good response. One thing I'll say is the high school game and the college game, especially at the D1 level are completely different games. If I were coaching high school I'd probably spot drop. Most offensive coaching is awful around my neck of the woods. It's truly about the Jimmies and Joes. You'd be lucky to find a kid who can get to his second progression. Most kids are taking off or making a throw off busted coverage. If it were me, I'd pattern read at the college level. But then I'd also run combo zone coverages like TCU.

 

[Coach Macho]

All this talk about the defense waiting for the offense to ***** up is hogwash too.

First off, that's a lousy way to play defense.

Secondly, FSU could've nickel and dimed us all day. Winston threw his 1st pick cause we were in man and he got greedy. You can't sit back all game and hope for QB's to make mistakes like that cause, more often than not, they're not going to.


"Guys here's the gameplan. We're gonna sit back and play really soft zone and wait for the best QB in the nation to throw us a ball."

So then why because you never answered my question? I'm not debating whether you're right or wrong. As a matter of fact I'll concede you are correct. You're a smart guy. I've coached. You're coaching. Golden has been a defensive position coach and a defensive coordinator as the Division 1 level. So has D'Onofrio. Both have probably forgotten more than I know and probably you as well. They certainly know their personnel a **** of a lot better than you or I.

I don't know dude.

But I do know this. Not every coach in college does the "right" thing or the "better" thing. And just cause they coach D1 doesn't mean they're "all knowing" and always right. By that belief, we can assume that every college coach is a mastermind and they always do the right thing. That simply isn't the case.

I was just talking to my buddy today that coaches in college. We were talking about the same exact subject.

With that said...I'm positive they know more about football than I do but that doesn't mean anything once the ball's kicked off. The guy I coached under when I first got to WHS was a former college defensive coach. (Butler CC and Indiana State) His defenses at WHS were never very good and then after WHS he went on to coach at Maitland and his defenses still weren't very good. The new DC that took over for me currently has WHS ranked dead last in defense and he's fresh off a college coaching staff.

Some coaches know all the principles, schemes and techniques (such as pattern matching) but don't choose to implement them. Just cause the techniques exist doesn't mean a coach has to believe in them. Two-gapping is a good example. Every coach knows it exists but very few DC's in college choose to implement it. (D'Onofrio being one of them) D'Onofrio believes that two-gapping is best for his defense while a DC at another school might think he's crazy for using that scheme.

I'm not sure there's a "right" or "wrong" way to do things. Some things just boil down to preference. It LOOKS LIKE D'Onofrio's preference is to spot-drop with his LB's. If that's his preference, so be it, but I don't think it's what's best cause it appears to be killing us on Saturday's. Just like it's his preference to use a two-gap technique on the DL. Some people might not think it's the best scheme because we can't penetrate and/or get many TFL's but D'Onofrio might like it because it allows us to have more gap integrity. *shrugs*

Very good response. One thing I'll say is the high school game and the college game, especially at the D1 level are completely different games. If I were coaching high school I'd probably spot drop. Most offensive coaching is awful around my neck of the woods. It's truly about the Jimmies and Joes. You'd be lucky to find a kid who can get to his second progression. Most kids are taking off or making a throw off busted coverage. If it were me, I'd pattern read at the college level. But then I'd also run combo zone coverages like TCU.

TCU, VT and Bama are teams I like to study the most because I really like their principles and ideas, especially TCU. I would love to start looking at Michigan State and see what they're doing because it seems like they have a top defense every year.

 

[zone3cane]

The scheme is the problem not the talent

why is it Miami's defensive talent does a good job on 1st and 2nd downs but chokes on 3rd and 4th downs?..... thats a scheme issue.

 

[obcanes]

3rd and 5. Our DE up top crashes inside, leaving us without an edge rusher to Winston's right. Winston scrambles right for an easy 1st down. Now, if I hadn't seen this already during D'Onofrio's tenure then I would just chalk it up on the players, however I've seen it a million times. This is completely UN-SOUND.

Also notice how Luther Robinson is dropping into a zone and standing right next to Cornelius. They're both covering the same patch of grass together. LOL.[/QUOTE]

Shouldn't cornelius be dropping to his left instead of dropping next to Luther? Couldn't that be on Cornelius and not on the scheme?

 

[sebastian91]

The scheme is the problem not the talent

why is it Miami's defensive talent does a good job on 1st and 2nd downs but chokes on 3rd and 4th downs?..... thats a scheme issue.

They do a good job on 1st and 2nd downs? At BEST, we may have had a few good defensive stops on 1st and 2nd, but F$U did a LOT of damage on those downs, too.

The talent is clearly an issue (notice I didn't say THE issue), both in terms of performance and scheme. The lack of talent HAS to impact the way the coaches draw up a game plan. They aren't going to put together a game plan that the talent can't execute. They're doing the best they can with what they have. These guys didn't just crawl out of a message board and start coaching defense. Just let them do their freaking job and judge them on their results at the end of the season.

 

[Coach Macho]

Shouldn't cornelius be dropping to his left instead of dropping next to Luther? Couldn't that be on Cornelius and not on the scheme?

Don't know, but Cornelius has been here long to know which way he should drop. That's not even my biggest problem with that play though. I'm more bothered by the fact that we just gave up outside contain.

 

[Dynasty]

For those who are interested here is the Satan video I couldn't locate the other day and another feature specifically relating defending trip formation.

http://vimeo.com/68875777

http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2010/08/nick-saban-cover-3-adaptation.html

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Shouldn't cornelius be dropping to his left instead of dropping next to Luther? Couldn't that be on Cornelius and not on the scheme?

Don't know, but Cornelius has been here long to know which way he should drop. That's not even my biggest problem with that play though. I'm more bothered by the fact that we just gave up outside contain.

I don't doubt you know your defense but do you really think that the coaches would devise a scheme that "wouldn't keep contain"?

I know you'll say you've seen it time and time again.

I'll say with 100% confidence that is not how the defense is drawn up. That's Pop Warner ****.....you always have a contain man. Not always DE but someone is contain.

 

[spacenegroes]

Shouldn't cornelius be dropping to his left instead of dropping next to Luther? Couldn't that be on Cornelius and not on the scheme?

Don't know, but Cornelius has been here long to know which way he should drop. That's not even my biggest problem with that play though. I'm more bothered by the fact that we just gave up outside contain.

read my post here and watch these. what do the temple LBs do in 09/10?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=390OtJtik7w


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYf-M3HcuJ0

 

[Coach Macho]

Can't watch it right now, just tell me what's goin on. LOL

 

[Coach Macho]

Shouldn't cornelius be dropping to his left instead of dropping next to Luther? Couldn't that be on Cornelius and not on the scheme?

Don't know, but Cornelius has been here long to know which way he should drop. That's not even my biggest problem with that play though. I'm more bothered by the fact that we just gave up outside contain.

I don't doubt you know your defense but do you really think that the coaches would devise a scheme that "wouldn't keep contain"?

I know you'll say you've seen it time and time again.

I'll say with 100% confidence that is not how the defense is drawn up. That's Pop Warner ****.....you always have a contain man. Not always DE but someone is contain.

McCord ran straight into the Offensive Tackle. It's clear to me that that's what he was supposed to do. Now, the only other likely possibility is that Perryman was blitzing off that edge but he had to peel with the RB flare.

 

[BODESLAM]

THE O HANGS ITS HAT ON THE SUCCESS OF THEIR OWN HYPE (WHICH IS EASILY COUNTERED BY THE OPPOSITION) AND THE D IS TOO SCARED OF GETTIN' BURNED TO PLAY ATTACK STYLE.....END OF STORY....

 

[CaneWasher]

The funniest thing about these high school coaches ripping the defense of a top 15 NCAA D1 team is that they don't even know how huge the gap is between their knowledge and the knowledge of our coaches. If D'Onofrio had the opportunity to sit down and answer the questions of "WildcatDefense", this cat would be made to look like a mom sitting in the stands.

 

[Coach Macho]

The funniest thing about these high school coaches ripping the defense of a top 15 NCAA D1 team is that they don't even know how huge the gap is between their knowledge and the knowledge of our coaches. If D'Onofrio had the opportunity to sit down and answer the questions of "WildcatDefense", this cat would be made to look like a mom sitting in the stands.

LOL @ that assumption. Like i haven't spoken about schematics with MULTIPLE D-1 coaches over the years. Like i haven't picked their brains every time they talk to me about recruiting one of my players. ************, the guy i learned under was a former D-1 coordinator. The **** i run on defense are NFL and NCAA principles. Nothing i run comes from the high school level. D'Onofrio can't show or tell me anything that I'm not already familiar with. I've sat in on their coaching clinics before, ain't nothing ground breaking about it.

 

[CaneWasher]

LOL @ that assumption. Like i haven't spoken about schematics with MULTIPLE D-1 coaches over the years. Like i haven't picked their brains every time they talk to me about recruiting one of my players. ************, the guy i learned under was a former D-1 coordinator. The **** i run on defense are NFL and NCAA principles. Nothing i run comes from the high school level. D'Onofrio can't show or tell me anything that I'm not already familiar with. I've sat in on their coaching clinics before, ain't nothing ground breaking about it.

Keep telling yourself that while you're playing in front of 500 fans with 16 year old kids. You don't use 10% of what a college defense uses, and the fact that you think you're on par with them is what makes message boards so insufferable.

 

[RiDLer80]

LOL @ that assumption. Like i haven't spoken about schematics with MULTIPLE D-1 coaches over the years. Like i haven't picked their brains every time they talk to me about recruiting one of my players. ************, the guy i learned under was a former D-1 coordinator. The **** i run on defense are NFL and NCAA principles. Nothing i run comes from the high school level. D'Onofrio can't show or tell me anything that I'm not already familiar with. I've sat in on their coaching clinics before, ain't nothing ground breaking about it.

Keep telling yourself that while you're playing in front of 500 fans with 16 year old kids. You don't use 10% of what a college defense uses, and the fact that you think you're on par with them is what makes message boards so insufferable.

So, since none of us are D-1 coaches we're not allowed to criticize any decision or move they make? Got it.

From now on I don't want to see your ***** *** say anything negative about the coaching staff if that's how it's gonna be. You just continue dangling from their balls like they can make no mistakes because they're D-1 coaches and we're only lowly message board posters.

 

[L A M P]

The scheme is the problem not the talent

AJ Highsmith was the starting safety (in our programs biggest game in 10 years) this past Saturday.. Perhaps it's a little of both but don't act like we are just overflowing talent on the field, especially with our upperclassmen.