Mullen v. Golden

[pb5cane]

I saw an earlier post about Mullen turning the Miami BOT off during his 2010 interview for the Canes HC job and I decided to take a look at these two coaches. We compare players all the time. We will compare Cook and Yearby for the rest of their football lives, so why not compare the coach we could've had and the one we have now? Here goes:

1. For the cloud crowd:

No coach coaches in a vacuum so before we go down the long, foggy analysis of the cloud effect, let's look at the recruiting classes Mullen and Golden have been working with, during the cloud:

RECRUITING CLASS NAT'L RANKINGS

YEAR	GOLDEN	MULLEN	4/5 STARS
2011	36th	44th	Golden (2)/Mullen (1)
2012	9th	30th	Golden (10)/Mullen (4)
2013	20th	26th	Golden (9)/Mullen (2)
2014	12th	37th	Golden (9)/Mullen (2)

Mullen's average national ranking is 34th. Golden's is 19th. Mullen was able to secure the services of a total of 9 Four-Star Recruits. Golden has signed 27 Four-Star Recruits and 3 Five-Stars. Impressive. Clear advantage to Golden, despite the ominous cloud.

Mississippi has 27 active players in the NFL. Dade, Broward and Palm Beach alone have twice that number and this year the State of Florida has 186. Clearly Mullen is at a disadvantage in terms of the players he has been able to get and the location in which he operates.

2. THEIR RECORDS

YEAR	GOLDEN	MULLEN	COMMENTS
2011	6-6 (3-5 ACC)	6-6 (2-6 SEC)	Mullen faced 3-LSU, 15-SCe, 4-Bama, 6 Ark. Golden beat 17-OhSt, 2-GT.
2012	7-5 (5-3 ACC)	8-4 (4-4 SEC)	Mullen faced 1-Bama, 16-TAM, 9-LSU Golden faced 21-KState, 12-FSU.
2013	9-3 (5-3 ACC)	6-6 (3-5 SEC)	Mullen faced 13-OKSt, 10-LSU, 14-USCe, 11-TAM, 1-Bama. Golden beat 12-FL and faced 3-FSU.
2014	6-4 (3-3 ACC)	9-1 (5-1 SEC)	Mullen beat 8-LSU, 6-TAM, 2-Auburn. Golden faced 24-Nebraska, 3-FSU.

For the regular seasons, Golden is 28 and 18 while Mullen is 29 and 17. Slight edge to Mullen. Factor in the brutal schedules he has had, his +2 in the win column in bowl games and the gap widens. Now considering the fact that his team is #4 in the country and in control of the their destiny in the First College Football Playoff and it ain't even close.

3. TALENT DEVELOPMENT

Advantage Mullen. Remember those recruiting class rankings? Well, his defensive FPI's are 28th, 44th, 19th and this year 18th. This year we have righted the ship. Our FPI is 24th, but **** what a journey.

4. SIGNATURE WINS

Golden-0.0 (I'm still hurt dawg). Here's what they say about Mullen:

"The Bulldogs manhandled then-No. 8 LSU in a 34-29 victory in Death Valley on Saturday night, notching the biggest win of his Mississippi State career. If the previous wins over ranked opponents were considered "signature wins" this one was written in ink, paint and etched in stone."

5. Questions (that will never be answered):

1) Who's better/Who you got? Mullen or Golden?
2) If Mullen coached the Canes what would our record be today?
3) If Mullen coached the Canes would we have an ACC title?

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Mullen showed what a 4th year should look like. Great post. End of story. Cloud has been buried.

Never mind the fact that Miss State has always been the door mat of the SEC. Never had near as much name recognition or glamour as Miami. Ever been to Starkville? Sounds more like a prison than a town of 25K.

 

[I'm james Jackson brother]

Wow so Dan mullen is a better coach. Thanks would've never known that without you telling us lol.

Now can we afford Dan answer is no because if he even hinted he was interested in coming to this school other schools would out bid us. Then we're left with another no name coach who may not even have AL'S work ethic to mask his inexperience game coaching.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Wow so Dan mullen is a better coach. Thanks would've never known that without you telling us lol.

Now can we afford Dan answer is no because if he even hinted he was interested in coming to this school other schools would out bid us. Then we're left with another no name coach who may not even have AL'S work ethic to mask his inexperience game coaching.

How can we afford not to? Paying Golden whatever he's making now (around $2 mil? maybe?) is throwing good money after bad. You tack on a few more and the return on that investment more than pays for the additional $$$ spent for an elite coach. Just ONE big bowl and you recoup what you've invested in that hire. But we don't have anyone thinking that way down in CG, otherwise that coach would be there today.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Wow so Dan mullen is a better coach. Thanks would've never known that without you telling us lol.

Now can we afford Dan answer is no because if he even hinted he was interested in coming to this school other schools would out bid us. Then we're left with another no name coach who may not even have AL'S work ethic to mask his inexperience game coaching.

Here's where you realized how fcking pathetic our athletic department is: we interviewed Dan Mullen in 2010. A few BOT members said he was too ****y so they passed.

 

[bbcane]

Mullen showed what a 4th year should look like. Great post. End of story. Cloud has been buried.

Never mind the fact that Miss State has always been the door mat of the SEC. Never had near as much name recognition or glamour as Miami. Ever been to Starkville? Sounds more like a prison than a town of 25K.

Mullen was hired as head coach in 2008? His 4th yr he was 8-4. His 5th yr. he was 6-6

 

[I'm james Jackson brother]

Wow so Dan mullen is a better coach. Thanks would've never known that without you telling us lol.

Now can we afford Dan answer is no because if he even hinted he was interested in coming to this school other schools would out bid us. Then we're left with another no name coach who may not even have AL'S work ethic to mask his inexperience game coaching.

How can we afford not to? Paying Golden whatever he's making now (around $2 mil? maybe?) is throwing good money after bad. You tack on a few more and the return on that investment more than pays for the additional $$$ spent for an elite coach. Just ONE big bowl and you recoup what you've invested in that hire. But we don't have anyone thinking that way down in CG, otherwise that coach would be there today.

Why are you under some misconception that our school cares wholesale about our football program? What have they done to show that? Don't worry I'll wait........................? No indoor facility even an inflatable bubble for days where the weather is bad not available do we need it no do 16 and 17 year old kids think it's cool YES. One billion dollars raised and we got some new uniforms. Again if they want to raise money they can for schitt they care about but football is not one of them.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

bbcane has a point.

Mullen is in his SIXTH year, Golden is in his 4th.

Mullen was 7-6 last year including the bowl.

Im not saying UM and MSU are comparable, but Mullen has finally got it going in year SIX.

Mullen also coached offense directly under *** at Utah and UF. Golden's pedigree is Al Groh.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Please, all you people trying to make Golden some sort of victim, you don't want me to list the circumstances at Miss St when Mullen walked in there. **** outta here.

 

[bbcane]

No one on this board wanted Mullen 4 yrs ago. Remember, this is miami we run pro style, not some gimmick offense.

 

[I'm james Jackson brother]

Wow so Dan mullen is a better coach. Thanks would've never known that without you telling us lol.

Now can we afford Dan answer is no because if he even hinted he was interested in coming to this school other schools would out bid us. Then we're left with another no name coach who may not even have AL'S work ethic to mask his inexperience game coaching.

Here's where you realized how fcking pathetic our athletic department is: we interviewed Dan Mullen in 2010. A few BOT members said he was too ****y so they passed.

I totally believe that but we can't afford Mullin now. And honestly he's hot he can go back to Florida now which is what he's gonna do more than likely.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Mullen showed what a 4th year should look like. Great post. End of story. Cloud has been buried.

Never mind the fact that Miss State has always been the door mat of the SEC. Never had near as much name recognition or glamour as Miami. Ever been to Starkville? Sounds more like a prison than a town of 25K.

Mullen was hired as head coach in 2008? His 4th yr he was 8-4. His 5th yr. he was 6-6

You're right, sixth year. But what Golden's done over the past four years pales in comparison to what he's done at State over that same time period.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Wow so Dan mullen is a better coach. Thanks would've never known that without you telling us lol.

Now can we afford Dan answer is no because if he even hinted he was interested in coming to this school other schools would out bid us. Then we're left with another no name coach who may not even have AL'S work ethic to mask his inexperience game coaching.

How can we afford not to? Paying Golden whatever he's making now (around $2 mil? maybe?) is throwing good money after bad. You tack on a few more and the return on that investment more than pays for the additional $$$ spent for an elite coach. Just ONE big bowl and you recoup what you've invested in that hire. But we don't have anyone thinking that way down in CG, otherwise that coach would be there today.

Why are you under some misconception that our school cares wholesale about our football program? What have they done to show that? Don't worry I'll wait........................? No indoor facility even an inflatable bubble for days where the weather is bad not available do we need it no do 16 and 17 year old kids think it's cool YES. One billion dollars raised and we got some new uniforms. Again if they want to raise money they can for schitt they care about but football is not one of them.

They care enough to drop $2+/- million on a HC. Just because they have no sense economically, doesn't mean they don't see the $$$ the program brings in. Only problem is they'll kill the golden goose.

 

[I'm james Jackson brother]

No one on this board wanted Mullen 4 yrs ago. Remember, this is miami we run pro style, not some gimmick offense.

And I still don't want his **** if he runs some bullchitt offense. Kaaya don't fit in a read option offense lol

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

No one on this board wanted Mullen 4 yrs ago. Remember, this is miami we run pro style, not some gimmick offense.

Some people had that view. Some people did not.

At any rate, glad this was brought up. Mullen is proof that there were (1) better coaches available at the time, who were realistic hires, and (2) it doesn't take ages to turn around a **** program. But hey, our genius AD thought he was "too arrogant"

I'm sure someone will say that Miss. St. was a much better situation than Miami, though

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

His 4th yr he was 8-4.

In 2012 his losses were to

#1 Bama
#16 A&M
#9 LSU
#25 Ole Miss

His 5th yr. he was 6-6

In 2013 his losses were to

#13 Okie State
unranked at the time but played in title game Auburn
#10 LSU
#14 S. Carolina
#11 A&M
#1 Bama

 

[I'm james Jackson brother]

Wow so Dan mullen is a better coach. Thanks would've never known that without you telling us lol.

Now can we afford Dan answer is no because if he even hinted he was interested in coming to this school other schools would out bid us. Then we're left with another no name coach who may not even have AL'S work ethic to mask his inexperience game coaching.

How can we afford not to? Paying Golden whatever he's making now (around $2 mil? maybe?) is throwing good money after bad. You tack on a few more and the return on that investment more than pays for the additional $$$ spent for an elite coach. Just ONE big bowl and you recoup what you've invested in that hire. But we don't have anyone thinking that way down in CG, otherwise that coach would be there today.

Why are you under some misconception that our school cares wholesale about our football program? What have they done to show that? Don't worry I'll wait........................? No indoor facility even an inflatable bubble for days where the weather is bad not available do we need it no do 16 and 17 year old kids think it's cool YES. One billion dollars raised and we got some new uniforms. Again if they want to raise money they can for schitt they care about but football is not one of them.

They care enough to drop $2+/- million on a HC. Just because they have no sense economically, doesn't mean they don't see the $$$ the program brings in. Only problem is they'll kill the golden goose.

Honestly they gave him that money as a thanks for sticking with us even though we lied to you about the situation. PLEASE DON'T LEAVE we're sorry here's some money. Can you imagine having 3 had coaches in a 5 year span lol. Starting to look like the dolphins

 

[CANE4LIFE]

No one on this board wanted Mullen 4 yrs ago. Remember, this is miami we run pro style, not some gimmick offense.

That's not entirely true. I was willing to toy with the idea of Mullen or Chris Peterson over Golden. I was never blown away by the idea of Golden, although on paper he seemed the most balanced option. I definitely bought in after he was hired, but I was more intrigued by a guy like Mullen to be honest. Even though I hated that gimmick offense.

 

[Sabetta]

There are about 10 people on this site who clearly have nothing better to do than reinvent the same thread over and over again.

Let me help you guys out so you can get jobs, pu$$y or a life (in general). There isn't a soul on this site who honestly thinks Golden should be the coach here next year. If a poster SAYS they do, they're trolling and you guys are wasting your time by regurgitating the same thoughts and negging anyone who doesn't agree with your exact thoughts.

You're actually bigger losers than the trolls who "support" Golden. Furthermore, you same few losers have actually turned into the man you hate by puking up the same catch phrases over and over and over again. You losers are Al Golden.

 

[bbcane]

His 4th yr he was 8-4.

In 2012 his losses were to

#1 Bama
#16 A&M
#9 LSU
#25 Ole Miss

His 5th yr. he was 6-6

In 2013 his losses were to

#13 Okie State
unranked at the time but played in title game Auburn
#10 LSU
#14 S. Carolina
#11 A&M
#1 Bama

No arguing that. Other than I believe sec is overrated and doesn't get penalized for in conference losses. When duke, fsu, Clemson,gtech,va tech, louiville, miami would all compete in that conference.