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BeastMode said:
Jojo is clearly hurt and RayRay isn’t good. When we start hearing about true freshman like this at a position we should all know what that means.

WR is going to be very interesting this year. Going to be run heavy and use TE’s and let Beck dunk and dunk it down the field. If the defense improves…that could make this team a 10 game winner and get to Charlotte. We will see.
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Receiver seems to be the biggest question mark going into the season. Hopefully one or two of our young receivers surprise and step up. I was sure Ray Ray was going to be an excellent slot here when he signed. Disappointing that he has done nothing meaningful going into his third year.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
I don’t watch anything, I listen to as much CFB content as I can find. I’m an adult, so I’m capable of listening to opinions and thoughts from any variety of sources and not allowing it to shape my own. You’d be surprised, people other than David Lake can actually make rational thoughts on other programs, too.
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Can't stand Lake either
 
b caned said:
Yep.. and as great as Cam and Restrepo were/are… they both had major ****ups against GT and Cuse that derailed the season.

By all accounts, the current team is deeper and more talented - which hopefully helps us overcome any hiccups our best players may make (because we’re beating teams up so bad it won’t be close enough to effect outcomes of games).
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I’ll not be part of any Cam or Restrepo blasphemy
 
JHallCanes said:
I’ll not be part of any Cam or Restrepo blasphemy
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So the Restrepo fumble for a td didn’t put a nail in our coffin against cuse? And cam refusing to check down against GT didn’t have any effect on the outcomes of those games?

They are Canes greats. I’m not denying that.

Two things can be true at the same time. Reality is reality.
 
Are our corners that good or is it because our receivers are average? Lost our top 6 pass catchers and really only brought in Daniels to replace them. Marion is a gadget player who is struggling to do anything as receiver, johnson doesn't seem to be making much noise and relying on true freshman generally isn’t a good sign unless they’re elite. Add in jojo getting hurt and that unit isn’t scaring anyone
 
b caned said:
So the Restrepo fumble for a td didn’t put a nail in our coffin against cuse? And cam refusing to check down against GT didn’t have any effect on the outcomes of those games?

They are Canes greats. I’m not denying that.

Two things can be true at the same time. Reality is reality.
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Yup, congratulations. You nailed it.

We failed last season because of Cam and Restrepo. All the blame lies on them and only them for both of those games.

Thanks for enlightening us on this matter.
 
JHallCanes said:
It’s a fair point we just need someone to be that Restrepo leader of the room. Between him and Cam there was a demand of success that went through the entire offense

If we are to believe the culture thing then this shouldn’t be an issue (even if we can’t achieve what we did last year stats wise)

This is the type of stuff Mario has been preaching to the world since he got here
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Tony and CJ are supposed to be the guys that uphold the standard. Toney has been called a "dawg" and has supposedly been grinding so hopefully his impact as a TF is Bain like.
 
I listened to the cover 3 segment in question and thought Bud’s take was perfectly reasonable. He also didn’t consider it a hard under.

The counter on the WR issue is that we really haven’t had an elite WR corps in the last couple years and Dawson has still managed to field top 25 offenses, including in ‘23 with TVD/Emory/Jacuri as the QBs.

I’m not terribly worried about this WR group. I suspect someone is going to emerge as the go-to guy (my money’s on Toney given the role of the slot in Dawson’s offense). Right now I’m expecting Daniels, Toney, and Jojo (if he can stay healthy) to be the top 3 guys. That wouldn’t be bad from a talent perspective.

The offense will obviously look different without Cam, a little less pass heavy overall, less big plays, a little more methodical , but I’m confident it should still be *very* efficient and produce well with this QB, what should be one of the best OL in the country and a very talented group of backs and TEs.
 
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b caned said:
So the Restrepo fumble for a td didn’t put a nail in our coffin against cuse? And cam refusing to check down against GT didn’t have any effect on the outcomes of those games?

They are Canes greats. I’m not denying that.

Two things can be true at the same time. Reality is reality.
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No mention of the defense not showing up against Cuse? Gotcha
 
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b caned said:
So the Restrepo fumble for a td didn’t put a nail in our coffin against cuse? And cam refusing to check down against GT didn’t have any effect on the outcomes of those games?

They are Canes greats. I’m not denying that.

Two things can be true at the same time. Reality is reality.
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TooColdToHold said:
Last year it was JoJo and Ny Carr and neither one did anything when the season started.
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You knew what you got from X, JG, and etc. at the end of the day, it’s human nature to talk about the shiny new toy. How it was last year, this year, and how it will be next year
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I listened to the Cover 3 ACC Win totals show yesterday, and yes of course I'm sure everyone will say this is irrelevant because Bud Elliott is a hater and hates us and thinks we're going 0-12 blah blah blah....but he had a very good point when going over his concerns for the team.

He said he speaks to multiple people at Miami, and when he asks about WR, almost all of them give him a different answer. His analogy was, when you don't have one "alpha", sometimes, you have 2019 LSU, where you have multiple absolute dudes. But that is VERY much the outlier. Normally, you have a bunch of guys that are just OK, so when you ask "sources" who's the guy, you're going to get multiple answers because nobody is jumping off the page. So that's what concerns him, is we don't have time to find our "alpha", we play ND and UiF in the first month of the season. So, do we have a group that's so good, nobody is really standing out because they're all ballers? Or do we have a somewhat average group and there isn't really anyone standing out because none of them are good enough to warrant that kind of attention?

Interesting perspective and something obviously we'll find out rather quickly. But I do believe it's concerning. I don't think this is going to be 2022 by any stretch of the imagination...even if we don't have 1 or 2 receivers really step up to become a total go-to kid, the QB is good, the line is good, the backs are very good, the offense will be good. Just how good can it be if you don't have kids you can count on in the passing game down after down? We all pretty much agree we're very likely not going to have the #1 offense in the country, and that's fine. You don't have to be #1 to win the ACC, if your defense and special teams are competent. But if we don't really have any elite receivers, at least not early on, does the offense drop enough to where we struggle to beat ND and UiF?

FWIW, 3 of the guys had us at 9-3, and Fornelli said 10-2.
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How many teams in the CFP had a “alpha” at WR (exclude Ohio state for the obvious)?

The need for an Elite alpha WR1 is a bit overblown IMO. Having a collection of good and reliable pass catchers is more important.
 
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