Mirabal

[Canesfreak]

we have a conservative approach to our run game. anything outside leaves it up to loss yardage. were trying to stay ahead of the sticks

So we mindlessly run unto the A gap when the safeties and LBs are crashing down? I mean, that is plain silly.

 

[SpikeUM]

Where do people come up with these delusions that Mario and Mirabal are calling the plays???

It started the day before the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, and it then got really bad after restaurants started offering both Japanese and Thai foods at the same locations.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

There's a good example above in the sequence @skyman described. Between the wonky approach to stepping on the gas (pace) and slowing down, the general desire to stay on schedule seemingly at a bad cost/benefit with riskier plays, and the fact we end up in predictable tendencies that empower lesser teams, I think we unnecessarily punch beneath our actual weight. Sure, there are times where it makes sense, and there are many times it's just bad math. If the defense is as good as you think it is (I think it's solid, but have to see more from our LBs in coverage to be sure), then you should be empowered to take even more necessary risk on offense.

Just finished reading his post right before I saw this and I agree completely. We need touchdowns too in that scenario, you can’t have first and goal and kick field goals, but I agree, the mindset should’ve been I want to score twice here before the half. We were content just getting the one score (and it wasn’t even a touchdown) and then maybe trying to get a stop. But once they get one first down after you kick the FG, the best case is just holding them and going to the half at 14-10.

I was fine with how we played the very end of the half, but the real error was how we played it prior to the 2 minute warning.

 

[hoops156]

So we mindlessly run unto the A gap when the safeties and LBs are crashing down? I mean, that is plain silly.

yes have you seen our games?

 

[Yoyo423]

Mario Cristobal has made Duo his singular focus

Miami’s running game..or lack thereof, is concerning and needs analyzing.

www.stateoftheu.com

 

[LuCane]

Just finished reading his post right before I saw this and I agree completely. We need touchdowns too in that scenario, you can’t have first and goal and kick field goals, but I agree, the mindset should’ve been I want to score twice here before the half. We were content just getting the one score (and it wasn’t even a touchdown) and then maybe trying to get a stop. But once they get one first down after you kick the FG, the best case is just holding them and going to the half at 14-10.

I was fine with how we played the very end of the half, but the real error was how we played it prior to the 2 minute warning.

An example would be going to the jet sweep, which felt like it was being held too long into the 4th against Louisville's crashing, on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 10 (if Toney needed a break) after the 60 yarder. If you use your "best play" (or one you're holding) in a higher leverage situation - like a baseball manager using their setup guy in the late 6th or 7th instead of the 8th inning - you overall open up more possibilities. Specifically, we score with about 3 minutes and get multiple chances for a stop and the ball back instead of what happened. Again, these are hypos and we're talking about how I define "aggressive and off balance" vs "conservative and predictable." I'm not suggesting they weren't trying to score. I'm suggesting they didn't have appropriate urgency - pace and creativity - for the opportunity. Maybe they did use one of their best RZ plays, but I remember it looking more like Run, Pass, Pass, stall - without anything creative. I'd have to watch again. I figure you get the point of what I'm trying to describe.

 

[Memnon]

@hoops156 and @OrangeBowlMagic
Serious question - if you’re the coach, how do you “fix” the pre snap penalties?

This isn’t some set up trap question. I’m asking because I think it’s way more on the players then the coaches because I can’t see anyway on Earth the coaches haven’t been screaming at these guys and making them run gassers.

- Change the communication signals for the snap indicators.

(Let the Center identify the Mike & implement a silent snap count)

- More Deuce blocking vertically, which will force the Guards to be more synchronized with the Tackles due to the fact they won't be able to jump the snap anticipating the rush without covering their primary assignment, which would be protecting the Tackle's inside movement.

Louisville put our Tackles in a lot of isolation Blocks, which opened up the interior & forced Bext to climb the pocket.

They funneled everything inside intentionally to disrupt his rhythm, while sitting back in 2-High making him throw into Double/Triple Coverage Shells.

The presnap penalties were a result of the Line panicking.

 

[skyman]

Just finished reading his post right before I saw this and I agree completely. We need touchdowns too in that scenario, you can’t have first and goal and kick field goals, but I agree, the mindset should’ve been I want to score twice here before the half. We were content just getting the one score (and it wasn’t even a touchdown) and then maybe trying to get a stop. But once they get one first down after you kick the FG, the best case is just holding them and going to the half at 14-10.

I was fine with how we played the very end of the half, but the real error was how we played it prior to the 2 minute warning.

I honestly think the 2 pass plays on 2nd and 3rd down after Toney screen were there to be had for TD... I dont think Beck is seeing it in the intermediate, especially middle of the field. 2nd down, Cam is slinging it on the cut of Lofton inside. Even if he holds it a beat, Cam would throw it to open space in back of endzone.. On 3rd down he has two options and he doesnt pull trigger for either.. Toney and Marion are both "open".. Idk if he was gun shy or he is not "seeing it" but the reads are there.

Beck passing chart seems to becoming more glaring if its not a screen pass or deep shot, his passing chart might be very spotty and it becomes hard for Dawson to call plays. How do you call an offense where you cant run, have to call screens and your deep shots are getting picked and middle of field has become no mans land.. Yikes..

 

[gogeta4]

I honestly think the 2 pass plays on 2nd and 3rd down after Toney screen were there to be had for TD... I dont think Beck is seeing it in the intermediate, especially middle of the field. 2nd down, Cam is slinging it on the cut of Lofton inside. Even if he holds it a beat, Cam would throw it to open space in back of endzone.. On 3rd down he has two options and he doesnt pull trigger for either.. Toney and Marion are both "open".. Idk if he was gun shy or he is not "seeing it" but the reads are there.

Beck passing chart seems to becoming more glaring if its not a screen pass or deep shot, his passing chart might be very spotty and it becomes hard for Dawson to call plays. How do you call an offense where you cant run, have to call screens and your deep shots are getting picked and middle of field has become no mans land.. Yikes..

sounds like......TVD.

 

[LuCane]

I honestly think the 2 pass plays on 2nd and 3rd down after Toney screen were there to be had for TD... I dont think Beck is seeing it in the intermediate, especially middle of the field. 2nd down, Cam is slinging it on the cut of Lofton inside. Even if he holds it a beat, Cam would throw it to open space in back of endzone.. On 3rd down he has two options and he doesnt pull trigger for either.. Toney and Marion are both "open".. Idk if he was gun shy or he is not "seeing it" but the reads are there.

Beck passing chart seems to becoming more glaring if its not a screen pass or deep shot, his passing chart might be very spotty and it becomes hard for Dawson to call plays. How do you call an offense where you cant run, have to call screens and your deep shots are getting picked and middle of field has become no mans land.. Yikes..

Wrote a post earlier that (a) talks about my fear of what Beck's once again (like last year at UGA) indicating and (b) the #sequences in the last line.

 

[Ispyin]

why is one of the top offensive line coaches in college football involved in coaching at miami? why would an offensive coordinator work with the assistant coaches in determining player and unit strengths and weaknesses?

Great point people are ******* delusional out here believing everything random people say that said I’m still triggered by your adopted screen name years after you took ownership of it from one of the biggest idiots in Canes message board history- and I can’t get over that PTSD- takes me a second to realize you’re credible poster.

 

[skyman]

sounds like......TVD.

Posted this on wez, I wonder what tvd chart looked like

Yea the numbers bare this out also, its like the intermediate passing game has been stripped out of offense. But everyone talked about check down and how Cam was not it so this is what you get, lol.. Check down and more efficient than #1 offense in country.. Anyway Manny had podcast before Cardinal game where he showed passing depth numbers comparing Cam last year and Beck this season. Numbers deep were comparable but after that changes. Beck is mostly behind line of scrimmage and under 10 yards, we throw a ton of screens and have high YAC to make up for big play. Cam was more in that plus 10 yards intermediate area that many take for granted and he made look routine.

Cam

Beck

Link to podcast: Discussion of passing depth at 9:02 mark

 

[Brains]

Pre-snap penalties often stem from individual players' communication (or absence thereof) with the center.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

- Change the communication signals for the snap indicators.

(Let the Center identify the Mike & implement a silent snap count)

- More Deuce blocking vertically, which will force the Guards to be more synchronized with the Tackles due to the fact they won't be able to jump the snap anticipating the rush without covering their primary assignment, which would be protecting the Tackle's inside movement.

Louisville put our Tackles in a lot of isolation Blocks, which opened up the interior & forced Bext to climb thr pocket.

They funneled everything inside intentionally to disrupt his rhythm, while sitting back in 2-High making him throw into Double/Triple Coverage Shells.

The presnap penalties were a result of the Line panicking.

Hadn’t thought of it from an in-game angle. Appreciate the perspective.

 

[gordonsolie]

we have a conservative approach to our run game. anything outside leaves it up to loss yardage. were trying to stay ahead of the sticks

Motion penalties are making up for this.

 

[TheShredder]

This fanbase is exhausting. We have one of the best OL coaches in the country, and they come out with this crap. I’m convinced a significant percentage of the “Fans” on this board are either professional trolls or straight up opps.

Based on what? we leave always have 6 people pass blocking at minimum. When has our run game been elite? He has Sewell and who else?

 

[TheShredder]

I bet if you take 1x10 yard penalty away per game we probably jump into the top 40-50 in penalties.
So its not how much we are penalized...it the timing of 2-3 of our 5-6 per game. Like Francis the other day. The kid baited him and then sold it. Gotta be smart. That was a big drive.

Also based on our very bland run game I think some of our guys jumping off sides are just trying to gain an edge in the hope we can move someone and get another 2-3 yards on some of these plays.

Lastly - is it just me (and this isnt why we lost or why games have gotten closer) but the last 2-3 games the tackle for our opponents are jumping off sides what feels like 50% of the time, likely to get an edge on Bain/Mesidor/etc. But its almost never called.

False, its that our offense is slow and really that productive that it why each penalty feels like a big deal. Last year we were just penalized and for the most part it didn't feel like a big deal. Now it feels like each penalty is a drive killer. We can't overcome them. Our run plays A gap or quick screen to the WR for 3 yards.

 

[TheShredder]

I know for a fact, speaking to various sources. Alex Mirabal is respected in the coaching circles, including some in the NFL.

Why was he at Marshall in between HC Mario breaks, if he is so respected. He wanted to enjoy the scenery in WV?

 

[bornagaincane]

Where is the running backs coach in all of this? Shouldn’t he be working with Mirabel on run schemes?

 

[Silver King]

He certainly has input game planning - he knows his OL better than anyone and how they should match up, and he provides input during the game - typical adjustments coaches make. Then its all about execution, which we didn't do that well during the middle of the Gator game or at all against the Cardinals.

As a four year OL starter in college, I will tell you our QBs listened to us if we said a particular play would work. Last one I called was a 58 yd TD. Our center was great because he saw both sides of the D, knew our strengths in blocking schemes. That was maybe a couple of times a game as compared to receivers coming back to the huddle a couple of times every drive saying, "I'm Open."

Same with plays not working because of a subtlety in D alignment. So obviously, the OL Coach is pretty important in developing what plays to use down and distance in the run game. But you pay well for the OC to use the right plays at the right time. Didn't do that very well either.