Mirabal

no one is saying dawson doesnt call plays. its not his run scheme. mirabal designs the run schemes and dawson said as much in his interviews that was posted here a few weeks ago.

he gives dawson his play sheet for runs and dawson rolls with that. sure, **** take some liberties with it here and there with some override decisions, but he doesnt scheme the run game. same with mario and his override decisions over play calls.

I agree with you, still idk man..it is hard to believe literally the only call we have schemed for each week is Duo. If that’s the case then woof but we have seen the counters be called maybe once per game so they are in there.
 
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I agree with you, still idk man..it is hard to believe literally the only call we have schemed for each week is Duo. If that’s the case then woof but we have seen the counters be called maybe once per game so they are in there.
theyre there but very rarely used and not within the philosophy. if you can count on one hand the amount of counters or outside zone plays we have run all year, its not a good sign.

their idea of the run game is power through the line. they did it last year and they do it this year.
 
Not gonna dispute that, but at what point are you punishing the rest of the team for putting Brockermeyer and Honcho on the bench? Or Cici? Or Coop? Or Bell? My point is it's easy to say BENCH HIM! on a message board, but when you're the guy that has to actually make that move, do you want Nino Bettencourt or SJ Alottavowels coming in for Brockermeyer? You want Max Buchanon filling in for Cooper? If I'm Beck or Jordan Lyle, I'll deal with the 5 yard false starts and stay alive. Also, what's to say that the backups won't false start either?
I'm not picking on you or ripping your answer - I actually just replied to another message and included the bench as a possible solution. I just don't think it's that easy.
I agree with your logic. But, you can sit their *** down for a series. That will serve 2 purposes. 1) It'll get the attention of the offending player. 2) It'll get the attention of the entire team if you sit one of the captains for a procedural, mental mistake. And Dawson can play call around the replacement (hopefully).
 
How does it work? He designs the run plays?

No. He and Dawson and the entire offensive staff gameplan and teach what they’re going to run. Each week, based off the defense, they collaboratively select which run plays are going to go on that week’s play sheet. Dawson chooses which ones he wants to run, and when.

If you listen to people here, who don’t have an earthly ******* clue, you’d think Dawson walks onto the field on Saturday and Mirabal hands him a piece of paper and says “here are your run plays”, or even more comical, Dawson says on the headset, “I want to run the ball here” and Mirabal gives him a play call.

Mirabal is the “run game coordinator”. Which is a fancy, made up title for “helps the offensive coordinator design and implement running plays”

Guess what? When you run the ball on Saturday, the concepts of that play (who you’re going to block, how you’re going to block them, who is responsible for who, etc) are taught from Day 1 of spring ball. It’s kind of important for the OL coach to be involved with that since, you know, he’s teaching the **** techniques.

Nobody seemed to care last year when we were getting 6 yards every time we handed it to a back. But now all of a sudden people think Alex and Shannon introduce themselves to one another on the field prior to the game and Dawson does what Alex tells him.
 
The problem with this thread is people don't know how most coaching staffs work out a gameplan. If you think Dawson is up ripping darts all night putting a game plan together and then giving it out to the staff for install.....yeah not how it works. Everyone from the coordinator down the GA's has a role in game prep.


Specifically, the Run Game Coordinator/OL Coach has a role in building the run game for each opponent. He's feeding all of the relevant information to the coordinator to complete a gameplan. Here are the fronts they run vs our formations, what they do on down/distance, what do they do when they're giving up big runs, on and on.

The idea that Mirabal just runs drills but isn't qualified to break down film on an opponent is incredibly low IQ even for this board.
Agreed

And to be clear I’m personally not even saying there’s anything wrong with it

I’m on board with the approach of leaning on your strengths to win games and if you feel you’re a better team, then don’t panic and let it ride out. I doubt any other teams in the country have invested the resources we have in the OL and it’s probably not even particularly close

**** if Beck even plays a decent game we probably win

I don’t think Dawson is Andy Reid I just have always been mystified by the strange way the narrative is manipulated
 
I bet if you take 1x10 yard penalty away per game we probably jump into the top 40-50 in penalties.
So its not how much we are penalized...it the timing of 2-3 of our 5-6 per game. Like Francis the other day. The kid baited him and then sold it. Gotta be smart. That was a big drive.

Also based on our very bland run game I think some of our guys jumping off sides are just trying to gain an edge in the hope we can move someone and get another 2-3 yards on some of these plays.

Lastly - is it just me (and this isnt why we lost or why games have gotten closer) but the last 2-3 games the tackle for our opponents are jumping off sides what feels like 50% of the time, likely to get an edge on Bain/Mesidor/etc. But its almost never called.
 
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How tf is this guy qualified to be running game coordinator and tell Dawson what run plays to run? What experience does he have other than being Mario’s buddy? This is a serious question, someone please enlighten me with his accolades other than being a decent oline coach


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I bet if you take 1x10 yard penalty away per game we probably jump into the top 40-50 in penalties.
So its not how much we are penalized...it the timing of 2-3 of our 5-6 per game. Like Francis the other day. The kid baited him and then sold it. Gotta be smart. That was a big drive.

Also based on our very bland run game I think some of our guys jumping off sides are just trying to gain an edge in the hope we can move someone and get another 2-3 yards on some of these plays.

Lastly - is it just me (and this isnt why we lost or why games have gotten closer) but the last 2-3 games the tackle for our opponents are jumping off sides what feels like 50% of the time, likely to get an edge on Bain/Mesidor/etc. But its almost never called.
 
Nobody seemed to care last year when we were getting 6 yards every time we handed it to a back. But now all of a sudden people think Alex and Shannon introduce themselves to one another on the field prior to the game and Dawson does what Alex tells him.
I did. But, as a concept. Just like I cared about our choices in victories against UF and FSU this year. That’s the thing. It can be both.

As for last year, totally different to have a QB who’d keep the ball and literally jog out of bounds for a first down OR pull the ball and whiz it by a LB’s ear hole. You know that creates a lot of conflict for defenders. You know that changes how a defense can defend you. Louisville would NOT have been able to execute their gameplan against the exact same team with Cam Ward substituted in for Beck, obviously. So why another ‘but last year?’

I think lack of diversity in any aspect - run, pass, blitz packages, pass coverages (which become stale and make me nauseous) - is a recipe for eventual disaster.

When you legitimately don’t have a choice because you’re Navy or Army and this is what you have to do to churn through a game, fine. When you pay upward of 6M for your QB and OL, I push back on *choosing* less variation for what appears a lot like risk aversion.

You’re a numbers guy. You know what you’re looking at. Why bring teams into the game because you’ve decided to play it tight?

I don’t think Mirabal is calling the plays. But, I think overall they’ve all decided to play this year a particular way. I think even you agree it should be swiftly altered or we’re cooked.
 
The problem with all this is we have people who cant balance whatever they are talking about. They go to the extremes with their criticisms or praise. We go from we deserve to be #1 to we will be lucky to win another game after 1 loss. The other problem yall have is not realizing no matter how good a unit is, they can have a rough game. We will see how they respond.


I think if the team raises their instensity 5-10 percent, half the stuff we complaining about and looking to blame different people for, are not issues.
 
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seems to me that is playing not to lose rather than trying to win
you saw the last drive. Five Reasons Canes did a good breakdown about the last drive. it was basically in between wanting to win and go to OT with the clock management and you end up doing neither bc you burned too much time to force Louisville to play the run since youre 30 yards out with less than 40 seconds left.
 
I bet if you take 1x10 yard penalty away per game we probably jump into the top 40-50 in penalties.
So its not how much we are penalized...it the timing of 2-3 of our 5-6 per game. Like Francis the other day. The kid baited him and then sold it. Gotta be smart. That was a big drive.

Also based on our very bland run game I think some of our guys jumping off sides are just trying to gain an edge in the hope we can move someone and get another 2-3 yards on some of these plays.

Lastly - is it just me (and this isnt why we lost or why games have gotten closer) but the last 2-3 games the tackle for our opponents are jumping off sides what feels like 50% of the time, likely to get an edge on Bain/Mesidor/etc. But its almost never called.

Bingo, like Samson getting a false start on 3rd and 2 driving and down 7

We even get a yard there we probably go for it and convert

TrumpyCane would be wasted beyond belief if took a shot for every terrible penalty on manageable downs
 
I agree with your logic. But, you can sit their *** down for a series. That will serve 2 purposes. 1) It'll get the attention of the offending player. 2) It'll get the attention of the entire team if you sit one of the captains for a procedural, mental mistake. And Dawson can play call around the replacement (hopefully).
Wait a minute....we forgot to call each other names. Kidding.

Completely agree with you on the sit them for a series premise, even more so with the 2 points that follow.
 
you saw the last drive. Five Reasons Canes did a good breakdown about the last drive. it was basically in between wanting to win and go to OT with the clock management and you end up doing neither bc you burned too much time to force Louisville to play the run since youre 30 yards out with less than 40 seconds left.
yes I did and starting with Howard and ending with Butchs boys someone would have made a play and we would have won. score a TD and shut em down on defense, way to cute, especially playing the clock to get to OT
win and go home,e
 
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