Mirabal

[JamesQuall]

I bet if you take 1x10 yard penalty away per game we probably jump into the top 40-50 in penalties.
So its not how much we are penalized...it the timing of 2-3 of our 5-6 per game. Like Francis the other day. The kid baited him and then sold it. Gotta be smart. That was a big drive.

Also based on our very bland run game I think some of our guys jumping off sides are just trying to gain an edge in the hope we can move someone and get another 2-3 yards on some of these plays.

Lastly - is it just me (and this isnt why we lost or why games have gotten closer) but the last 2-3 games the tackle for our opponents are jumping off sides what feels like 50% of the time, likely to get an edge on Bain/Mesidor/etc. But its almost never called.

We're so bad with penalties that taking 1 away per game would get us from 117 to ~85-90. It's embarrassing how many we commit and we have played 1 less game than a lot of the rest of CFB thanks to **** near back to back bye weeks.

 

[Cribby]

Wrote a post earlier that (a) talks about my fear of what Beck's once again (like last year at UGA) indicating and (b) the #sequences in the last line. View attachment 340233

People here love to blame Becks OC , wr drops and OL play for his dumb decision making at times but that’s just who he is. What’s he’s been at UGA the last couple years is who and what he is. As the saying goes “ if somebody shows you who they are believe them “. Well some here thought a new helmet would change him lol. Fact is he’s a physically talented guy that’s a pretty good to good qb that can be great when he’s on. Beck is a wild card , a streaky shooter. You just hope his streak shooting never hits the John Starks level of 0-17 in the finals. Friday night we got the Starks game.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

People here love to blame Becks OC , wr drops and OL play for his dumb decision making at times but that’s just who he is. What’s he’s been at UGA the last couple years is who and what he is. As the saying goes “ if somebody shows you who they are believe them “. Well some here thought a new helmet would change him lol. Fact is he’s a physically talented guy that’s a pretty good to good qb that can be great when he’s on. Beck is a wild card , a streaky shooter. You just hope his streak shooting never hits the John Starks level of 0-17 in the finals. Friday night we got the Starks game.

The best part of this is, it's not 1998 anymore and you can have your Starks game and it doesn't kill you. College football is moving closer and closer to the NFL every day, and you can have your ****up, both as players and coaches, and still be fine. Talk to Ryan Day about it, amongst a thousand others.

He just needs to understand this can't happen again. We'll flush this one, and we're fine. But you have to take that film and really learn from it, and make the right decisions.

I'm not ready to fly off the handle just yet, because I think the protection is still mostly fine, and that will continue. So he's going to have clean pockets, most of the time. And I think he's still very accurate with the ball. He threw the ball 35 times on Friday, and completed 25 of them (29 if you count the ones to the guys in red). He's putting the ball where it needs to be when it's clean, the problem is, he put it into harm's way too many times Friday. Not due to inaccuracies, for the most part, but bad decisions. After 30+ starts, that's probably who he is, to an extent. But the optimist in me is saying from clean pockets, which he should have, he can flush this game as his one brain fart and still play at a high level the rest of the way.

 

[Cribby]

The best part of this is, it's not 1998 anymore and you can have your Starks game and it doesn't kill you. College football is moving closer and closer to the NFL every day, and you can have your ****up, both as players and coaches, and still be fine. Talk to Ryan Day about it, amongst a thousand others.

He just needs to understand this can't happen again. We'll flush this one, and we're fine. But you have to take that film and really learn from it, and make the right decisions.

I'm not ready to fly off the handle just yet, because I think the protection is still mostly fine, and that will continue. So he's going to have clean pockets, most of the time. And I think he's still very accurate with the ball. He threw the ball 35 times on Friday, and completed 25 of them (29 if you count the ones to the guys in red). He's putting the ball where it needs to be when it's clean, the problem is, he put it into harm's way too many times Friday. Not due to inaccuracies, for the most part, but bad decisions. After 30+ starts, that's probably who he is, to an extent. But the optimist in me is saying from clean pockets, which he should have, he can flush this game as his one brain fart and still play at a high level the rest of the way.

His refusal to throw check downs Friday infuriated me especially for how many snaps he’s taken in Cfb. You can’t be lofting the ball deep into triple coverage with guys in the flats wide open. That’s freshmen level stuff. I don’t think he’s seeing the field well and his deep ball looks to be lacking which makes me wonder about the arm strength now. I do think we need to spread the field more which will help him with reads and the extra wr giving the offense more of speed element . Bauman doesn’t scare anyone but Miami fans. The space also would help with opening the run game up . The congested tight formations have made things way too predictable.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

His refusal to throw check downs Friday infuriated me especially for how many snaps he’s taken in Cfb. You can’t be lofting the ball deep into triple coverage with guys in the flats wide open. That’s freshmen level stuff. I don’t think he’s seeing the field well and his deep ball looks to be lacking which makes me wonder about the arm strength now. I do think we need to spread the field more which will help him with reads and the extra wr giving the offense more of speed element . Bauman doesn’t scare anyone but Miami fans. The space also would help with opening the run game up . The congested tight formations have made things way too predictable.

I normally don't mind the aggressive deep shots but yes that was umbrella cover 3 the ball should never, ever go there. You're right though, and it's what I thought he did a decent job of up to that game. Just take what's there, you have guys open who are good athletes.

I'm really hoping this was a reality check for him, obviously the film shows this clear as ******* day, we went a little nuts, calm the **** down and run the offense buddy.

 

[MizCane]

we have a conservative approach to our run game. anything outside leaves it up to loss yardage. were trying to stay ahead of the sticks

Well when your RB keeps getting stonewalled at the LOS scrimmage running into the center and guards backs you are still looking at 3rd and 7 plus.
At least Let Lyle find room on the outside or sprinkle in some Pringle.

 

[9oh4Cane]

His refusal to throw check downs Friday infuriated me especially for how many snaps he’s taken in Cfb. You can’t be lofting the ball deep into triple coverage with guys in the flats wide open. That’s freshmen level stuff. I don’t think he’s seeing the field well and his deep ball looks to be lacking which makes me wonder about the arm strength now. I do think we need to spread the field more which will help him with reads and the extra wr giving the offense more of speed element . Bauman doesn’t scare anyone but Miami fans. The space also would help with opening the run game up . The congested tight formations have made things way too predictable.

He’s clearly in his head now. I think he tried playing hero ball when it became quickly apparent we couldn’t run on them.

But our refusal to spread the field is astounding. I was begging for us to go 10 personnel and split Toney/CJ wide and force the defense to decide what it wanted to defend.

 

[LuCane]

I normally don't mind the aggressive deep shots but yes that was umbrella cover 3 the ball should never, ever go there. You're right though, and it's what I thought he did a decent job of up to that game. Just take what's there, you have guys open who are good athletes.

I'm really hoping this was a reality check for him, obviously the film shows this clear as ******* day, we went a little nuts, calm the **** down and run the offense buddy.

I don’t really have a problem with that particular shot. It was a tick late and poorly balloon’d, but it was a deep shot that attempted to split safeties after Toney had beaten a defender (who PI’d him, anyway). There is value in that message to a defense and its Safeties. It also was on the other side of the field. The Marion INT was basically pointless.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

I don’t really have a problem with that particular shot. It was a tick late and poorly balloon’d, but it was a deep shot that attempted to split safeties after Toney had beaten a defender (who PI’d him, anyway). There is value in that message to a defense and its Safeties. It also was on the other side of the field. The Marion INT was basically pointless.

Yeah, it was a bad decision compounded with a bad throw. You can make that throw if it’s a fastball high and outside where your guy has a small chance to catch it but the DB has zero. Or, completely vertical, and if Marion runs underneath, great. But it was thrown on a line wide and short of where it needed to be. Still kind of unlucky, we see DBs all the time not make that play but we got what we deserved.

I’ll go to my grave saying the pick on the ball to Toney was one of the best plays I’ve ever seen a linebacker make.

 

[Unsider]

If the OL isnt up to par will Mario be able to cut AM loose?

This question keeps me awake at night…

 

[Calinative]

People here love to blame Becks OC , wr drops and OL play for his dumb decision making at times but that’s just who he is. What’s he’s been at UGA the last couple years is who and what he is. As the saying goes “ if somebody shows you who they are believe them “. Well some here thought a new helmet would change him lol. Fact is he’s a physically talented guy that’s a pretty good to good qb that can be great when he’s on. Beck is a wild card , a streaky shooter. You just hope his streak shooting never hits the John Starks level of 0-17 in the finals. Friday night we got the Starks game.

.... How do you mitigate his mistake-proneness though; my answer wouldn't be to design an offensive game plan entirely based on not scoring fast, ideally only getting 4ypc with zero ability to get 15, where a single penalty or trailing whatsoever cripples drives, and FORCING that QB to be perfect decision maker.

That's what people don't ******* get that defend or support conservative play calling. If you are conservative and are agree with the mentality of 'lets get 4ypp all game long and not score too quickly' well that means you are requiring all 11 of your guys to execute at least average with no wiggle room for bad play or decisions, because then it all falls apart! And it puts a lot more pressure than necessary on the QB!

Remember when we added Beck and comparing ourselves to UGA, everyone was saying he'd A) have WRs who could catch her and B) A ******* RUN GAME!.... One of those things ain't holding up it's end of the bargain

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Say what you want about anything else, this is as big a problem as anything. We have been REALLY high in this metric for the last 2 years. If you’re going have the offense we do, you can’t be 44th in this. It’s why i’m hoping we lean a little more into the throw game going forward. Yeah, that didn’t work out last week too well, did it? But it’s probably your best bet for success. You paid Beck handsomely. Let’s see him earn it. I haven’t seen his pass blocking metrics, but I’ll bet they’re good. Lean into what we’re doing well.

 

[Cribby]

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Say what you want about anything else, this is as big a problem as anything. We have been REALLY high in this metric for the last 2 years. If you’re going have the offense we do, you can’t be 44th in this. It’s why i’m hoping we lean a little more into the throw game going forward. Yeah, that didn’t work out last week too well, did it? But it’s probably your best bet for success. You paid Beck handsomely. Let’s see him earn it. I haven’t seen his pass blocking metrics, but I’ll bet they’re good. Lean into what we’re doing well.

People got upset at me for saying the OL has been overrated especially in the run game. But the numbers show it.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

People got upset at me for saying the OL has been overrated especially in the run game. But the numbers show it.

We’re all watching the games, I knew it couldn’t be great. But if you could’ve seen me going down the list and the look on my face by the time I hit about 30 and didn’t see the orange and green.

 

[Calinative]

Lmao @DMoney still defending our run gameplan/scheme and talking about how successful it is on the pod today. Smfh. I hope to god this isn’t the mentality the coaches have. @Peter Ariz even brought up how we clearly don’t trust our Oline due to our splits. Lmao.

Mario has been here 4 years now. We’ve had a top like 50 run offense once which was last year. Penalties have continuously killed us for 4 years now under Mario. Yet you keep blaming the lack of running success on penalties…. Yeah that’s ******* true, so then if we have literally always been one of the worst penalized teams in the country every year under Mario why the **** is the philosophy based on killing ourselves when we inevitably do get penalties? Just insanity for @DMoney to keep defending this run gameplan.

 

[NateDogg]

.... How do you mitigate his mistake-proneness though; my answer wouldn't be to design an offensive game plan entirely based on not scoring fast, ideally only getting 4ypc with zero ability to get 15, where a single penalty or trailing whatsoever cripples drives, and FORCING that QB to be perfect decision maker.

That's what people don't ******* get that defend or support conservative play calling. If you are conservative and are agree with the mentality of 'lets get 4ypp all game long and not score too quickly' well that means you are requiring all 11 of your guys to execute at least average with no wiggle room for bad play or decisions, because then it all falls apart! And it puts a lot more pressure than necessary on the QB!

Remember when we added Beck and comparing ourselves to UGA, everyone was saying he'd A) have WRs who could catch her and B) A ******* RUN GAME!.... One of those things ain't holding up it's end of the bargain

Tell him to check down and call simple reads. Explicitly tell him he is only allowed to throw beyond 20 yards if he reads single coverage.

Help him by (gasp) calling some under center off tackle stretches, and set up PA bootlegs. More jet sweeps, set up PA to the TE dragging underneath. But what do I know?

Maybe we should line up in our patented shotgun power goal line formation with our WRs holding hands and just say F it.

 

[SinisterCane]

If the OL isnt up to par will Mario be able to cut AM loose?

The offensive line IS up to par. It’s just a play calling is putting them at a disadvantage.

 

[1mg of Epi]

I guess this should go here:

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

I guess this should go here:

Yup. We’re decent at almost everything. The offense isn’t nearly as bad as we looked Friday night. But that’s also the problem. It’s just decent.

Also, contrary to popular belief, not every single run play is duo into the A-gaps. Imagine that. (But we do it the most, and we’re not great at at. Soooooo…)

 

[ben]

What changed in the past two games? Four games in they were run blocking reallly well. The last two… not so much.