Miami football projected 8-4

NorthEastCane

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’Not a stretch’ isn’t the same as baseline expectation. I never said it was a ‘stretch’ to think we ‘could’ do better. Given our past 15 years we could do worse, too. Richt won a lot of games in the SEC and stunk it up here. Manny has never coached a game at this level.

I expect better, but fans’ expectations and hopes are not the same as rational probabilities.
I didn't mean to imply you thought it was a stretch. And I agree, there are a lot of unknows heading into the season: Manny first time head coach, new offensive system, who's the QB, who's the LT. And I'm someone that did a face palm when Manny was hired as head coach. I thought it was a Blake James panic move.

But I've been watching him. That beer party he staged in Orlando at FSU's event. His intervention with Richt at the end of the FSU game to ice it. Bringing in two coordinators who have experience preparing game plans and calling plays. His use of the portal and approach to recruiting. He's got balls and won't coach scared. Nobody knows how he'll be as a HC but he strikes me as one mentally tough SOB. If the team take on his demeanor (which Richt's, Golden's, Shannon's, and Coker's teams lacked), it makes me cautiously optimistic.
 

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I didn't mean to imply you thought it was a stretch. And I agree, there are a lot of unknows heading into the season: Manny first time head coach, new offensive system, who's the QB, who's the LT. And I'm someone that did a face palm when Manny was hired as head coach. I thought it was a Blake James panic move.

But I've been watching him. That beer party he staged in Orlando at FSU's event. His intervention with Richt at the end of the FSU game to ice it. Bringing in two coordinators who have experience preparing game plans and calling plays. His use of the portal and approach to recruiting. He's got balls and won't coach scared. Nobody knows how he'll be as a HC but he strikes me as one mentally tough SOB. If the team take on his demeanor (which Richt's, Golden's, Shannon's, and Coker's teams lacked), it makes me cautiously optimistic.
I am cautiously optimistic also. But I am a fan. Rationally, our program has stunk for ages. No reason to expect magic.
 
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Jimmy lost 5 games his first season and you can’t tell me we had less talent than 5 other teams. Two things are happening here. First fans over rate our talent forgetting in the last four years we’ve had to filler classes during coach transitions. Second, fans think football is played on paper and the other team doesn’t try to win if they’re less talented
Jimmy lost 5 games … blah, blah, blah. Silly comparison

Miami led the season off by beating number one Auburn as #10 ranked team. Then beat #17 Florida. Then lost to #14 Michigan (Harbaugh QB). Then beat a Purdue team (Jim Everett, QB, top-3 pick iirc) that would beat Independent Indiana Team which was ranked within the top five at the time. Then lost to Florida state which was ranked number 15. Miami played 9 games before the bye. Lost to Maryland and Super Bowl QB, Reich and lost to BC and Heisman winner Flutie and lost to another Super Bowl QB of UCLA, Bono.

Miami played a schedule from hell, not the Minnie Mouse Coastal. There’s not a single QB that Miami plays this year that could play in Canada, much less the NFL. Jimmie played talented teams weekly.

Make up all the excuses for trying to be the detached, supposed voice of reason, but you’re missing the bigger picture and that is Diaz has a much easier road coaching a team where he already knew 95% percent of the players the day he took the job.
 

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Jimmy lost 5 games … blah, blah, blah. Silly comparison

Miami led the season off by beating number one Auburn as #10 ranked team. Then beat #17 Florida. Then lost to #14 Michigan (Harbaugh QB). Then beat a Purdue team (Jim Everett, QB, top-3 pick iirc) that would beat Independent Indiana Team which was ranked within the top five at the time. Then lost to Florida state which was ranked number 15. Miami played 9 games before the bye. Lost to Maryland and Super Bowl QB, Reich and lost to BC and Heisman winner Flutie and lost to another Super Bowl QB of UCLA, Bono.

Miami played a schedule from hell, not the Minnie Mouse Coastal. There’s not a single QB that Miami plays this year that could play in Canada, much less the NFL. Jimmie played talented teams weekly.

Make up all the excuses for trying to be the detached, supposed voice of reason, but you’re missing the bigger picture and that is Diaz has a much easier road coaching a team where he already knew 95% percent of the players the day he took the job.
Dude you can look at almost every great coach in history all of them lost games they shouldn’t during their first season. Miami has won ten games once in 17 years but yeah they’re going to dominate and that’s realistic
 
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Any regression by our defense should be more than compensated for by the fact we should have a NORMAL punter now.

Anyone want to tackle the task of quantifying how many yards of field position that POS cost us last year? If you go through the trouble of that just take it a step further and extrapolate an estimate for how many points he cost us.

Bottom line. We had a high school level offensive system and a junior high level punter. Just normalizing the stats for those 2 facets of the team should AT LEAST make up for any regression by the D and I'd venture to bet will end up being a net gain.
 

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Never said I was okay with going 8-4, actually said it would be huge disappointment if we did.

I think we'll go 10-2 this year, said it multiple times now, my only area of disagreement is people basically saying Diaz gets 1 year or else it's banner time, that's kinda ridiculous to me lol.
Obviously Manny gets more than one year but if we went 8-4 I think we will all realize that Manny ain’t the messiah we are hoping for....
 

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I get your point. I really do.

But Texas had more talent than Maryland. Maryland beat them in Tom Herman’s first season. And Herman wasn’t a first time HC.

Ohio State had more talent than Purdue, but Purdue beat them. And Urban Meyer is a Top 5 coach of all-time.

Talent doesn’t always win. It matters, but coaches still have to coach. And Manny is a first time HC.

He’ll have some oops games. It is what it is.
And Texas fans were calling for his head. They still are not sure about the hire, especially with Jimbo raiding Texas for recruits. When they lose to LSU this year he is going to be a question mark all over again.
 

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Not sure but he has us as his #2 surprise team and usually hits on those. Had Notre dame as the #1 surprise team last year and they went to the playoffs. Also has Miami coming into the season ranked #15, with the #2 rated defense in the country
Unfortunately the polls won’t concur with his thought process Brock until after we dismantle the hated Gayturd. Then they shall see the light and vault us up to @#15.
 

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Obviously Manny gets more than one year but if we went 8-4 I think we will all realize that Manny ain’t the messiah we are hoping for....
Dabo Swinney went 9-5 in year 1, 6-7 in year 2, 10-4 in year 3 & then started to win 11+ plus games in just about every season after that except one, including 2 National championships in 3 appearances.

Urban Meyer went 9-3 in year 1 at UF then went 13-1 in year 2, then went 9-4, then went 13-1 again in 08 & 09.

Nick Saban went 8-4 in year 1 at LSU, then 10-3, then 8-5, then 13-1 winning his first natty at LSU. Then at Bama went 7-6 year 1, then 12-2 in year 2, then 14-0 in year 3 winning the Natty.

Imagine if in every scenario LSU, Bama, Clemson & UF all judged their coach after just year 1, or even worse & decided to fire them...

I know this is a foreign concept on this board, but no Coach wins a National championship in year 1, literally never happens.
 

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Dabo Swinney went 9-5 in year 1, 6-7 in year 2, 10-4 in year 3 & then started to win 11+ plus games in just about every season after that except one, including 2 National championships in 3 appearances.

Urban Meyer went 9-3 in year 1 at UF then went 13-1 in year 2, then went 9-4, then went 13-1 again in 08 & 09.

Nick Saban went 8-4 in year 1 at LSU, then 10-3, then 8-5, then 13-1 winning his first natty at LSU. Then at Bama went 7-6 year 1, then 12-2 in year 2, then 14-0 in year 3 winning the Natty.

Imagine if in every scenario LSU, Bama, Clemson & UF all judged their coach after just year 1, or even worse & decided to fire them...

I know this is a foreign concept on this board, but no Coach wins a National championship in year 1, literally never happens.
They all had stiffer competition in year 1 than Manny does. Dabo also didn't have nearly as much talent as Miami has right now when he first got there. I am not saying fire him after year 1, especially because he obviously has 0 shot of winning a Natty this year, but this situation is very different than the other 3.
 

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That’s why I expect 2-3 losses but not 4. I’m going to guess our losses are Florida, F$U and one other random coastal team. I just don’t see us losing 4. That would be disastrous because we could beat both FSU and Florida so where are all these other losses coming from?
If I had to guess, same place they come from every fcking year. Duke or PITT or some other half-assed team we should beat in our sleep.
 

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We do this EVERY YEAR. Going back to Grassy. EVERY YEAR.

Dudes predicting 10+ wins, and anything less than a Coastal title is trash, etc.

And what ends up happening EVERY YEAR?
So you're suggesting that this year's team and staff is no better than the teams fielded under Randy Shannon and Al Golden and everyone should give up optimism and assume mediocrity? I get that fans can be unrealistic but is a 10 win season against a schedule with ONE ranked opponent really unreasonable? I mean if you're setting the bar at 8 wins, might as well have just kept Golden around and a saved a ton of money
 

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They all had stiffer competition in year 1 than Manny does. Dabo also didn't have nearly as much talent as Miami has right now when he first got there. I am not saying fire him after year 1, especially because he obviously has 0 shot of winning a Natty this year, but this situation is very different than the other 3.
Yep and Urban would have most likely won the title his first year if not for sanctions and that was with a team that went 6-6 the prior year.
 

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Dabo Swinney went 9-5 in year 1, 6-7 in year 2, 10-4 in year 3 & then started to win 11+ plus games in just about every season after that except one, including 2 National championships in 3 appearances.

Urban Meyer went 9-3 in year 1 at UF then went 13-1 in year 2, then went 9-4, then went 13-1 again in 08 & 09.

Nick Saban went 8-4 in year 1 at LSU, then 10-3, then 8-5, then 13-1 winning his first natty at LSU. Then at Bama went 7-6 year 1, then 12-2 in year 2, then 14-0 in year 3 winning the Natty.

Imagine if in every scenario LSU, Bama, Clemson & UF all judged their coach after just year 1, or even worse & decided to fire them...

I know this is a foreign concept on this board, but no Coach wins a National championship in year 1, literally never happens.
As you yourself have mentioned, the cream puff schedule is the mitigating factor.
 

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Dabo Swinney went 9-5 in year 1, 6-7 in year 2, 10-4 in year 3 & then started to win 11+ plus games in just about every season after that except one, including 2 National championships in 3 appearances.

Urban Meyer went 9-3 in year 1 at UF then went 13-1 in year 2, then went 9-4, then went 13-1 again in 08 & 09.

Nick Saban went 8-4 in year 1 at LSU, then 10-3, then 8-5, then 13-1 winning his first natty at LSU. Then at Bama went 7-6 year 1, then 12-2 in year 2, then 14-0 in year 3 winning the Natty.

Imagine if in every scenario LSU, Bama, Clemson & UF all judged their coach after just year 1, or even worse & decided to fire them...

I know this is a foreign concept on this board, but no Coach wins a National championship in year 1, literally never happens.
Saban walked into a program coming off sanctions at Bama and a roster with literally zero NFL talent. Manny is not walking into a rebuild like that. Based off everything you posted above, 9-3 is what we should all be looking at as the barometer. 9-3 and playing in Charlotte has to be the goal and I will day it till I’m blue in the face. I believe one loss is Florida. If we somehow beat them, then we definitely shouldn’t lose more than 2 other games unless we get a ton of injuries. If he goes 8-4 he won’t get fired and doesn’t deserve to get fired, but he just made his job 20 times harder cause the recruiting class will fall apart.
 
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