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DMoney said:
Pure passing teams don’t win big.

We want to be Ohio State, Alabama, Lincoln Riley’s Oklahoma (on offense). Teams that throw like crazy but can beat you both ways.
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Don't disagree on that but I like Liberty take on the passing game. Its different then what I usually hear all the time
 
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Rellyrell said:
U’re trying way too hard.

Burrow avg. 3.2 yrds.

CEH avg. 6.6 ypc
Davis-Price avg. 4.6 ypc
Curry avg. 5.0 ypc
Emery avg. 4.8 ypc

This all facing top tier rush defenses on the entire season.

Let’s see where our guys #’s are at after the bye, and they get further & further away from the inflated stats from FAMU, Ball State, & the one run by Lyle in garbage time.
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The point you’re making is that CEH was better than any one of our running backs and that’s probably correct. But the rest of those guys were bums. As evidenced by Joe burrow being their second leading rusher. Maybe if our starters got more attempts in garbage time like CEH did, they’d have better numbers? That’s likely the case but we’re usually playing our third fourth and fifth guys in garbage time.

None of that is really my point though. D Money said that pass heavy teams don’t win championships. LSU was incredibly pass heavy. Their running game was statistically middle of the pack and you can argue that a majority of that success was based on defenses having to cover a bunch of all pro receivers and deal with a Heisman winning quarterback. You put Clyde Edwards Helaire on an average offensive team and he’s just a guy. LSU won because they threw it. A lot. The run game was there but mostly just to salt away time at the end of games and to keep defenses honest. That’s pretty much exactly what our rushing offense is now. We move the chains in short yardage and run out the clocks in the second half of games we’re leading.
 
Also, LSU averaged 3.3 yards per carry against an FCS opponent.
 
DTP said:
The point you’re making is that CEH was better than any one of our running backs and that’s probably correct. But the rest of those guys were bums. As evidenced by Joe burrow being their second leading rusher. Maybe if our starters got more attempts in garbage time like CEH did, they’d have better numbers? That’s likely the case but we’re usually playing our third fourth and fifth guys in garbage time.

None of that is really my point though. D Money said that pass heavy teams don’t win championships. LSU was incredibly pass heavy. Their running game was statistically middle of the pack and you can argue that a majority of that success was based on defenses having to cover a bunch of all pro receivers and deal with a Heisman winning quarterback. You put Clyde Edwards Helaire on an average offensive team and he’s just a guy. LSU won because they threw it. A lot. The run game was there but mostly just to salt away time at the end of games and to keep defenses honest. That’s pretty much exactly what our rushing offense is now. We move the chains in short yardage and run out the clocks in the second half of games we’re leading.
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I didn’t say pass-heavy teams don’t win championships. They do. Alabama was a very pass-heavy team the next season (70th in rushing percentage). But they also had Najee Harris and Brian Robinson and a physical OL to run with power when necessary.
 
DMoney said:
I didn’t say pass-heavy teams don’t win championships. They do. Alabama was a very pass-heavy team the next season (70th in rushing percentage). But they also had Najee Harris and Brian Robinson and a physical OL to run with power when necessary.
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Ok I stand corrected. But literally nobody is completely reliant on passing the ball. Outside of Mike Leach teams, nobody ran the ball less than 35% of the plays.
 
DTP said:
The point you’re making is that CEH was better than any one of our running backs and that’s probably correct. But the rest of those guys were bums. As evidenced by Joe burrow being their second leading rusher. Maybe if our starters got more attempts in garbage time like CEH did, they’d have better numbers? That’s likely the case but we’re usually playing our third fourth and fifth guys in garbage time.

None of that is really my point though. D Money said that pass heavy teams don’t win championships. LSU was incredibly pass heavy. Their running game was statistically middle of the pack and you can argue that a majority of that success was based on defenses having to cover a bunch of all pro receivers and deal with a Heisman winning quarterback. You put Clyde Edwards Helaire on an average offensive team and he’s just a guy. LSU won because they threw it. A lot. The run game was there but mostly just to salt away time at the end of games and to keep defenses honest. That’s pretty much exactly what our rushing offense is now. We move the chains in short yardage and run out the clocks in the second half of games we’re leading.
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LSU avg. 38 pass attempts/game & 34 rush attempts/game.

We’re avg. 39 pass attempts/game & 33 rush attempts/game.

Here’s the thing; the last two games r when Cam toted the rock the most on the season, & in both instances we escaped by the hair of our chins. LSU blew out **** everyone they played. Part of the reason was b/c their run game was a threat. Two of LSU closest margin of victories came against 2 Top 10 teams. CEH rushed for 136 yrds & 103 yrds respectively on 20+ carries in these games.

The point is, even if u’re a pass happy offense, u still need the threat of the run game. Right now, if we become one dimensional, it’s putting too much pressure on Ward to be a hero. That’s a dangerous game to play. The run game has been eventful since Ball State. I can guarantee u, if our run game doesn’t start picking up, it will eventually catch up to us b/c it already has.
 
Rellyrell said:
LSU avg. 38 pass attempts/game & 34 rush attempts/game.

We’re avg. 39 pass attempts/game & 33 rush attempts/game.

Here’s the thing; the last two games r when Cam toted the rock the most on the season, & in both instances we escaped by the hair of our chins. LSU blew out **** everyone they played. Part of the reason was b/c their run game was a threat. Two of LSU closest margin of victories came against 2 Top 10 teams. CEH rushed for 136 yrds & 103 yrds respectively on 20+ carries in these games.

The point is, even if u’re a pass happy offense, u still need the threat of the run game. Right now, if we become one dimensional, it’s putting too much pressure on Ward to be a hero. That’s a dangerous game to play. The run game has been eventful since Ball State. I can guarantee u, if our run game doesn’t start picking up, it will eventually catch up to us b/c it already has.
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Yeah, we still have very much the threat of the run game. We have in every single game. Fletcher had 81 yards on 11 carries against Cal. We just fell behind by so much we had to pass every down. When we’re leading the nation in total offense and second in scoring offense, I’m not going to be overly critical of the offense. Maybe if the defense hadn’t given up so many points in the first half, we could have ran the ball more.

I know, if you take away games against bad teams and you take away huge plays and you take away the quarterback runs and you take away anything else you want to consider an outlier the offense is really struggling.
 
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JHallCanes said:
The object is to score more points than the other team

We have a historic passing offense right now

Until someone proves they can stop it why the **** would we change? Because of a hypothetical scenario in your head?

Not that difficult a concept. If they start dropping 7-8 into coverage then run the ball.
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This. In other words, don’t just run for the sake of running.

Do what you do best until you’re forced to pivot.
 
DTP said:
Yeah, we still have very much the threat of the run game. We have in every single game. Fletcher had 81 yards on 11 carries against Cal. We just fell behind by so much we had to pass every down. When we’re leading the nation in total offense and second in scoring offense, I’m not going to be overly critical of the offense. Maybe if the defense hadn’t given up so many points in the first half, we could have ran the ball more.

I know, if you take away games against bad teams and you take away huge plays and you take away the quarterback runs and you take away anything else you want to consider an outlier the offense is really struggling.
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Usually strawman arguments end w/ **** no one said. Tell me who in this thread has said **** about our offense struggling? The concern is becoming one dimensional b/c the FACTS r the run game has been less than stellar sans Ball St & FAMU.

If u wanna be right by creating narratives about something that no one has said, have at it. Oh here’s a thought, maybe we had to air it out b/c of how ineffective the run was. So sure, we’ll focus on “a” chunk play & say ‘see, everything is awesome.”

If u’re fine w/ ur eyes have seen in 4 of our 6 games, God bless u.
 
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JHallCanes said:
🤣🤣

Yeah I know people are down on the run game. It’s been talked about enough I don’t need to say anything

All I know is that:

1. The pass game is unstoppable

2. When we need 1 or 2 yards on the ground either for a first down or a TD….we get it

I’m good
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Sometimes you have to know who and what you are. And this year we are.... #AirCristobal
 
DMoney said:
Pure passing teams don’t win big.

We want to be Ohio State, Alabama, Lincoln Riley’s Oklahoma (on offense). Teams that throw like crazy but can beat you both ways.
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Granted and that's fine. However we are not that type of team this year. Our identity is clearly that of a team who is pass first and runs as a changeup to that, when we want to convert 2nd/3rd and short or when we have a big lead in the 4th quarter. It would be a waste of time and we wouldn't be playing to our potential this year if we began to worry about "establishing the run" and started to slow the game down. Why? Because it's not who we are this year with Cam at QB.

Yes you want to be able to beat teams both ways and to a degree we can do both but we are much better passing than we are running and we need to stay true to that in order to maximize our potential THIS YEAR! Next year and beyond sure we very well may develop into something similar to what Bama, UGA and Taint have been successful with offensively and thats very good passing teams who can pound you as well. But not today!
 
Memnon said:
The only thing I was ****ed about was when we were running the ball while down by multiple scores, I hate that sh*t lol.

Once we stop fxkin around & just go all-out attacking the Defense, there's nobody we've played that has shown they can stop us.

We converted multiple 4th & longs & there wasn't even a hint of a doubt that we would. That's how good our Offense is.

We have a LETHAL passing attack & it's the reason why we're 6-0 & not 4-2. That's enough for me. I don't need the team to be perfect, just win the 4th quarter & we're gonna beat most teams we play.

It's legitimate progress from recent years past. Most of the time, we would've lost both VA Tech & Cal games under different regimes. ****, under this regime we probably would've lost both those games last year & 2022. But the fact we're winning is a testament to the leadership of Cam & the resiliency of the team overall.

Even with a 25 point deficit, they don't think they're going to lose. That's a HUGE GREEN FLAG for us.

Now, we absolutely NEED for Rivers to get back on the field because Markell Bell cannot protect that Left side at an efficient enough level to where he can be trusted. I'll be frank, IMO he stinks. He's a big wooly Mammoth, but he can't handle any kind of speed rusher off the edge. His Kickslide looks tedious. He's not a natural mover at all & it takes him a lot of effort to get in proper position for pass protection. IMHO, he's not a Diamond in the rough, he's just in the rough. Might be better suited for Guard.
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(06:49) in the second half Saturday night the result of what went down in the second half Cam Ward in the second half was 23 for 35 for 328 yards and two touchdowns night and day between the first half and the second half obviously in the first half Cam Ward was 12 for 18 for 109 yards and zero touchdowns so let's cover my third point now and that is Mario Cristobal and Shannon Dawson's insistence on the running game okay now when we started the game it was uh very obvious that the canes were going to come out and

(07:31) establish their ground game which they did okay they uh were very successful at it too they routinely outnumbered Cal's defensive line and linebackers with their Gap scheme where they're pulling a lineman and getting an extra guy at the point of attack and they were able to running the ball they mixed in a couple of dropback throws for cam they did a bunch of run fake throws to him but mainly it was on the ground it was chewing up clock and it was advancing the ball at small increments down the field okay they Ram the ball down Cal's (08:21) throat in the first half very evident in doing that that was their game plan it served three purposes

-number one it showed their physicality up front and established that uh ground game
-number two it took the ball out of the hands of their best offensive player all right the guy taking snaps and
-number three It produced 10 points in the first half okay

so I've said this on other shows Miami is going to win a whole bunch of games obviously it's just a matter of how they do it on offense and how many points they score while (09:03) they're winning so in an earlier show I said you know the the the question that they need to ask themselves as a coaching staff do they want to score 35 points a game and have a balanced offense 50/50 run pass or do they want to average 56 to 60 points a game by putting the ball in Cam Ward's hand still being able to run the football effectively uh running their tight end h-back scheme on occasion and uh zipping up and down the field and making the scoreboard ding like a slot machine
 
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Rellyrell said:
Usually strawman arguments end w/ **** no one said. Tell me who in this thread has said **** about our offense struggling? The concern is becoming one dimensional b/c the FACTS r the run game has been less than stellar sans Ball St & FAMU.

If u wanna be right by creating narratives about something that no one has said, have at it. Oh here’s a thought, maybe we had to air it out b/c of how ineffective the run was. So sure, we’ll focus on “a” chunk play & say ‘see, everything is awesome.”

If u’re fine w/ ur eyes have seen in 4 of our 6 games, God bless u.
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The pass game was overly elite because teams sold out to stop the run. I've proven this on this board too often to count at this point. You can play against any team on the FBS schedule, if they beat you numbers-wise in the run game, it'll be tough. Ask Georgia how well they ran against Ball State.

The run game is good. Saw it against Cal. They were the first team to put numbers up against the pass. We didn't convert on third down enough and they kept scoring TDs at a quick rate, making them lead early big.

That led to their defense being tired as **** and we HAD to throw the ball to get points.

The run game is fine. We're just strategically missing out on plays because we don't run out of pass looks a lot. And even then - we ran the ball 18 times with our RBs in the first half vs Cal for 108 yards. That's a six yard average and we trailed 10-21.

We aren't one-dimensional, the Cal game demonstrated the opposite. If anything, it demonstrated the importance of staying out of 3rd down (had nine third downs in the first half, converted 4 and seven third downs in the second half, converted 3) and converting them when faced (Cal was 2-10).

Had Cam not thrown that dumb pick 6, we'd have seen the run game being more used.

The reason why teams run well is because they throw well prior to running it. People need to stop using last years Michigan as an example of how an offense should be... they wouldn't have won **** if they didn't have the #1 defense in the country.
 
People need to contextualize the run game. Go back and watch the games.

If people honest to god want to go out and say "LSU ran for 1400 yards, they were a power run team!" - no. Heavens no. Their worst output of the season happened against Auburn lining up in a 3-1-7, ironically, with CEH running for over 130 yards. They were invited to run, did, and put up their worst offensive performance of the season. It's almost as if it doesn't matter, because something else drives points way further (the pass).

We pass to set up the run. The run is perfectly fine, but has tons of potential to be better.

You're welcome. @DTP
 
Rellyrell said:
Usually strawman arguments end w/ **** no one said. Tell me who in this thread has said **** about our offense struggling? The concern is becoming one dimensional b/c the FACTS r the run game has been less than stellar sans Ball St & FAMU.

If u wanna be right by creating narratives about something that no one has said, have at it. Oh here’s a thought, maybe we had to air it out b/c of how ineffective the run was. So sure, we’ll focus on “a” chunk play & say ‘see, everything is awesome.”

If u’re fine w/ ur eyes have seen in 4 of our 6 games, God bless u.
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I’m just tired of reading “oh man, the run game is going to hurt us somewhere down the line”. It’s a line that’s been repeated by multiple posters here. All I’m saying is when? What game is going to come down to us having to rely on the run game for us to win? Maybe if Can gets hurt but I got news for you, if that happens, the team is done no matter who’s running the ball.

Fact: The run game (or perceived lack thereof) has done nothing to negatively affect the offense’s output. People are just panicky because we’ve had back to back close games and they’re looking for something to blame.

Maybe if we were actually struggling to run the ball, especially in short yardage where you really need the run game, I’d be concerned but that’s not the case.
 
Bender said:
People need to contextualize the run game. Go back and watch the games.

If people honest to god want to go out and say "LSU ran for 1400 yards, they were a power run team!" - no. Heavens no. Their worst output of the season happened against Auburn lining up in a 3-1-7, ironically, with CEH running for over 130 yards. They were invited to run, did, and put up their worst offensive performance of the season. It's almost as if it doesn't matter, because something else drives points way further (the pass).

We pass to set up the run. The run is perfectly fine, but has tons of potential to be better.

You're welcome. @DTP
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The number of people who pointed out one running back’s yardage while ignoring the fact that as a team LSU rushed for fewer yards and fewer yards per carry than Miami was comical. Then the whole “Miami’s numbers are inflated by chunk plays and games against weaker teams!” Yeah and so are the numbers of every other single team in history. Like Miami has just had a handful of long runs against scrubs but CEH was just grinding out tough yardage against stacked boxes all season and never got the benefit of getting second half carries in blowout games to pad his numbers. Or the fact that teams literally employed 7 defensive backs against his team to try to slow down their pass game. Which as you mentioned, resulted in their lowest offensive output of the season.
 
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