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I’m just tired of reading “oh man, the run game is going to hurt us somewhere down the line”. It’s a line that’s been repeated by multiple posters here. All I’m saying is when? What game is going to come down to us having to rely on the run game for us to win? Maybe if Can gets hurt but I got news for you, if that happens, the team is done no matter who’s running the ball.

Fact: The run game (or perceived lack thereof) has done nothing to negatively affect the offense’s output. People are just panicky because we’ve had back to back close games and they’re looking for something to blame.

Maybe if we were actually struggling to run the ball, especially in short yardage where you really need the run game, I’d be concerned but that’s not the case.
This is incredibly short sighted. Your point is to wait until after the fact instead of pointing out potential areas that need addressing beforehand. Fascinating stuff.
 
People need to contextualize the run game. Go back and watch the games.

If people honest to god want to go out and say "LSU ran for 1400 yards, they were a power run team!" - no. Heavens no. Their worst output of the season happened against Auburn lining up in a 3-1-7, ironically, with CEH running for over 130 yards. They were invited to run, did, and put up their worst offensive performance of the season. It's almost as if it doesn't matter, because something else drives points way further (the pass).

We pass to set up the run. The run is perfectly fine, but has tons of potential to be better.

You're welcome. @DTP
I've been one of the hardest on the run game listing many reasons for why I believe it is inconsistent. I saw enough in cal to now know we can if we want. My of the belief it's simply the playcalls that are making it inconsistent. Dawson ran more pin/pull, outside zone, etc
I’m just tired of reading “oh man, the run game is going to hurt us somewhere down the line”. It’s a line that’s been repeated by multiple posters here. All I’m saying is when? What game is going to come down to us having to rely on the run game for us to win? Maybe if Can gets hurt but I got news for you, if that happens, the team is done no matter who’s running the ball.

Fact: The run game (or perceived lack thereof) has done nothing to negatively affect the offense’s output. People are just panicky because we’ve had back to back close games and they’re looking for something to blame.

Maybe if we were actually struggling to run the ball, especially in short yardage where you really need the run game, I’d be concerned but that’s not the case.
I even been one of the more vocal on this and attributed struggles to 1. Scheme 2. Push 3. Missed holes.

We ran the ball better vs cal. Play design helped a ton. I'm no longer singing from the rooftops. We will be okay.
 
This team is walking a razor wire in general

Its how you can tell we aren’t a championship team yet

Im optimistic about the run game but same time I think you can and should be concerned. But I kinda check out on the “being concerned” part because me being concerned has no bearing on anything and I’d rather just be blindly excited about us. Sue me.
 
The number of people who pointed out one running back’s yardage while ignoring the fact that as a team LSU rushed for fewer yards and fewer yards per carry than Miami was comical. Then the whole “Miami’s numbers are inflated by chunk plays and games against weaker teams!” Yeah and so are the numbers of every other single team in history. Like Miami has just had a handful of long runs against scrubs but CEH was just grinding out tough yardage against stacked boxes all season and never got the benefit of getting second half carries in blowout games to pad his numbers. Or the fact that teams literally employed 7 defensive backs against his team to try to slow down their pass game. Which as you mentioned, resulted in their lowest offensive output of the season.

Aye blood, make ur point & move on, but stop embellishing **** to make it appear ur point has validity.

CEH stats vs. Ole Miss (#42 rushing Def)
23 carries 172 yrds 1 TD

CEH stats vs. Clemson (#19 rushing Def)
16 carries 110 yrds

CEH stats vs. Bama (#37 rushing Def)
20 carries 103 yrds 3 TDs

CEH stats vs. AU (#25 rushing Def)
26 carries 136 yrds 1 TD

CEH stats vs. #9 UT
15 carries 87 yrds 1 TD

CEH stats vs. #7 UF
13 carries 134 yrds 1 TD

In fact, CEH worst games came against FCS Northwestern St., G5 GA Southern, & UGA in the SEC championship games, ironically. He was injured against OU in the CFP playoff & was avg. 7 ypc against the #32 rushing def.

So this whole notion he was “grinding it out” against good teams is complete bull ****. The jit avg. 8.4 ypc and 1 TD vs. P5 competition & only 4.6 ypc and 1 TD vs. non P5 competition. Lmao

On God, ya’ll be just saying anything & hoping it sticks to make a point. The fact is LSU was a pass 1st team, but they absolutely had a very solid run game; ****, bordering on elite that complimented passing game very well, & it thrived against better competition by comparison. Hence y I said context is important, but again, if u think our run game is fine thus far, u like it, I love it.
 
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Ask @Empirical Cane, @Memnon was the king of Aethiopia (modern day Ethiopia) and son of Tithonus and Eos.

@DMoney needs to part with some money to get @Memnon back in the fold.
 
Aye blood, make ur point & move on, but stop embellishing **** to make it appear ur point has validity.

CEH stats vs. Ole Miss (#42 rushing Def)
23 carries 172 yrds 1 TD

CEH stats vs. Clemson (#19 rushing Def)
16 carries 110 yrds

CEH stats vs. Bama (#37 rushing Def)
20 carries 103 yrds 3 TDs

CEH stats vs. AU (#25 rushing Def)
26 carries 136 yrds 1 TD

CEH stats vs. #9 UT
15 carries 87 yrds 1 TD

CEH stats vs. #7 UF
13 carries 134 yrds 1 TD

In fact, CEH worst games came against FCS Northwestern St., G5 GA Southern, & UGA in the SEC championship games, ironically. He was injured against OU in the CFP playoff & was avg. 7 ypc against the #32 rushing def.

So this whole notion he was “grinding it out” against good teams is complete bull ****. The jit avg. 8.4 ypc and 1 TD vs. P5 competition & only 4.6 ypc and 1 TD vs. non P5 competition. Lmao

On God, ya’ll be just saying anything & hoping it sticks to make a point. The fact is LSU was a pass 1st team, but they absolutely had a very solid run game; ****, bordering on elite that complimented passing game very well, & it thrived against better competition by comparison. Hence y I said context is important, but again, if u think our run game is fine thus far, u like it, I love it.
I’m not the slightest bit concerned about the run game. It’s done exactly what we need to to do. Runs time off the clock in the second halves when we have leads and picks up first downs and touchdowns in short yardage. Just like LSU we are a pass first team and our running game is more than adequate. Statistically we’re probably it elite but we’re good enough to where defenses aren’t deploying 3-1-7 defenses to try to stop our passing game. The big talking point is that the run game needs to “keep defenses honest”. Defenses are still respecting the run against us. When they start dropping 7 or 8 because they don’t worry about our run game, I’ll get concerned
 
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This is incredibly short sighted. Your point is to wait until after the fact instead of pointing out potential areas that need addressing beforehand. Fascinating stuff.
No. My point is there isn’t an issue. You might want to make it one but the truth is that our offense hasn’t been hindered in the slightest by this perceived running game problem. At what point in what game were you like “****, if only we were running the ball better, we’d have a bigger lead”? I mean if you want to say something isn’t perfect so we need to make a big deal about it, by all means make a big deal about it. But there are so many bigger issues . Namely defensive ones. If we had run the ball better would Virginia Tech and Cal not scored 34 and 38 points respectively? If I’m making a list of things this team needs to improve. The rush offense isn’t in the top 5. Maybe. It even top 10.
 
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I've been one of the hardest on the run game listing many reasons for why I believe it is inconsistent. I saw enough in cal to now know we can if we want. My of the belief it's simply the playcalls that are making it inconsistent. Dawson ran more pin/pull, outside zone, etc

I even been one of the more vocal on this and attributed struggles to 1. Scheme 2. Push 3. Missed holes.

We ran the ball better vs cal. Play design helped a ton. I'm no longer singing from the rooftops. We will be okay.
Agreed. Ironically Cal was our worst rushing performance of the season but I think it was more that we had to abandon the run. Dawson did change a few things and there were some runs we hadn’t seen before. Fletcher was on his way to a huge day before the score got out of hand.
 
This team is walking a razor wire in general

Its how you can tell we aren’t a championship team yet

Im optimistic about the run game but same time I think you can and should be concerned. But I kinda check out on the “being concerned” part because me being concerned has no bearing on anything and I’d rather just be blindly excited about us. Sue me.
I walked into the swamp blindly excited, not expecting the results we got. Were 6-0 bowl eligible I'm gonna stick with the blind excited faith
 
This team is walking a razor wire in general

Its how you can tell we aren’t a championship team yet

Im optimistic about the run game but same time I think you can and should be concerned. But I kinda check out on the “being concerned” part because me being concerned has no bearing on anything and I’d rather just be blindly excited about us. Sue me.
This!
It pretty much sums it up for me.
Enjoying the ride. I don't expect us to be perfect but after the last 20 years this is fun.
Also after Mario's first year I NEVER thought I would see UM be leading the nation in total offense and second in scoring offense.
 
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This pretty much sums it up for me.
Enjoying the ride. I don't expect us to be perfect but after the last 20 years this is fun.
Also after Mario's first year I NEVER thought I would see UM be leading the nation in total offense and second in scoring offense.
All we are really doing here is trying to position ourselves to be like “see I told you so”

Which hey it’s all we got being a message board and all
 
All we are really doing here is trying to position ourselves to be like “see I told you so”

Which hey it’s all we got being a message board and all
I'm no expert. I don't pretend to be one. I'm just a fan and as a fan this is as much fun as I've had in the last 20 years. We are not a complete team (not many of those around)
Enjoy the ride. This is a fun team. We have a punchers chance against just about anyone AND we could also lose against just about anyone. One thing this team isn't is boring lol.
 
I'm no expert. I don't pretend to be one. I'm just a fan and as a fan this is as much fun as I've had in the last 20 years. We are not a complete team (not many of those around)
Enjoy the ride. This is a fun team. We have a punchers chance against just about anyone AND we could also lose against just about anyone. One thing this team isn't is boring lol.
Couldn’t agree more

Cam is the best QB I’ve ever seen in my fandom and one thing these teams the last few years that sorta make a bigger run than they should have is a QB

I’ve been saying it since the offseason but “with Cam Ward all things are possible”
 
You guys have reached a point in this argument where you are arguing over which is bigger; 12 or a dozen. There is almost no discernible difference any more, so let me sum up the last 3 pages.

UM needs to continue to run the ball to keep teams honest, but the passing game is obviously leading our offense to score a lot of points. Past very good teams have been able to run and pass, though with varying degrees of success. But the best offenses have all been able to do both. And we all want UM to be able to do both.

There you go.
 
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No. My point is there isn’t an issue. You might want to make it one but the truth is that our offense hasn’t been hindered in the slightest by this perceived running game problem. At what point in what game were you like “****, if only we were running the ball better, we’d have a bigger lead”? I mean if you want to say something isn’t perfect so we need to make a big deal about it, by all means make a big deal about it. But there are so many bigger issues . Namely defensive ones. If we had run the ball better would Virginia Tech and Cal not scored 34 and 38 points respectively? If I’m making a list of things this team needs to improve. The rush offense isn’t in the top 5. Maybe. It even top 10.
Sounds more like you disagree vs having any actual data to support your theory. That is OK, but to dismiss it entirely because you feel differently is nonsense.
 
You guys have reached a point in this argument where you are arguing over which is bigger; 12 or a dozen. There is almost no discernible difference any more, so let me sum up the last 3 pages.

UM needs to continue to run the ball to keep teams honest, but the passing game is obviously leading our offense to score a lot of points. Past very good teams have been able to run and pass, though with varying degrees of success. But the best offenses have all been able to do both. And we all want UM to be able to do both.

There you go.

which means they have reached consensus on the topic in a rational, reasonable and respectful way.

cheers to all .

Meng!
 
Sounds more like you disagree vs having any actual data to support your theory. That is OK, but to dismiss it entirely because you feel differently is nonsense.
I’ve got data. You can see the numbers and compare them to other teams’. We are 44th in rushing yards and 12th in yards per carry. Maybe we’d have more rushing yards if we didn’t throw the ball as much but we’re second in the nation in scoring offense and first in total offense so I’m ok if they just keep doing what they’re doing.
 
Let's just hope:
  • Cam overcomes his propensity for holding the ball too long and try to force big plays. Take the check down. Make the defense work the entire field. All of this could make the offense historical. This can only help the defense by allowing them to play with an ever-widening lead.

  • The defense can limit the big plays surrendered at Cal, somewhat by VT, and on a few occasions by UF and USF.
15-0!
 
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