"Me Guys"

[D_G87]

hahahahahahah Duke soft? hahahahahaha. There really are complete idiots on this website.

As far as Duke goes, I'll be the first to say he's overrated....in comparison to our all-time great backs and that he was soft and lacked durability.....in certain situations......BUT none of that is an indictment on his character. You can't label someone a "Me" guy because his momma ran her mouth publicly once. Outside of that episode, we have no concrete info either way to determine anything in relation to the the locker room dynamic. In fact, we've been junk for so long that any corch would spout the same crap as Alfredo about improvement in attitude over the previous season(s). That's a given when there hasn't been a team in a decade plus that could be held in high regard as something to try to replicate. Every freakin' year has to be a "new" beginning for us.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

FWIW a couple of starters told me Duke was the best "team" guy on the canes. Went on to say that he did everything he was asked but he just hated when the coaches gave him 25+ carries because overriding him is how he broke his ankle.


At the end of the day all I know is this team is not that talented. Guys like Kirby, Burns, Gus, etc. are being hyped when they haven't done a **** thing

*yawn*

 

[DHucks]

Our great teams of the past certainly didn't have any so called "me guys"......
Guys like Irvin, Hill, Brown, Sapp, Thomas etc.. we're all "put ya head down" , "yes maam no maam" "coal shovelers" that's y they were so successful!!! Man...AL Golden just gets it. Hopefully he will continue to model this current squad after the great Penn Sta...My bad i mean Hurricane teams of the past!!

Being vocal, brash, etc. has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not someone is a "me" player. Those players you cited were all about the team, they worked their asses off at all times, they lived and breathed being a Hurricane, not being an individual star. They were all the type that would play every last down of every game because that's what they were there for, even the blowouts and cake-walks if they could as opposed to playing slow and careful because they wanted to make sure they were fresh and ready for the NFL draft.

WTF?!?!

Golden is the fakest mother fvcker in college football.

His time at Miami is the last chance he'll ever have to cash big paychecks and he's showing what a scumbag he is, throwing kids under the bus and trashing their character to excuse his failures.

I know SMD reads these boards. Mrs. Susan, please ask Golden how Carter is doing, and when was the last he spoke with Carter or his family. I know the answer obviously, but what would be exposed, is who the real "Me" guy is.

So because Golden opened up the team to Carter and your family at some point and brought them to practices or whatever else, he is a bad guy because he doesn't continue to do so and doesn't continue to communicate with your family? Many programs and coaches wouldn't have done any of that in the first place, so they already went above and beyond what most programs do. There are hundreds of terribly sick children out there, should all of the families that the UM coaches don't keep tabs on be upset with them as well, or be upset because they chose to spend time with your family and not theirs? That Duke has formed a special relationship with Carter and has maintained that is wonderful, and a great reflection on Duke. That the coaching staff didn't maintain the relationship isn't a negative reflection on them.

You're missing the point here. I've been searching for the quote, but he was slated as saying that he would keep in contact, and I was asked pre Cincinnati in the interview about him saying that. He's never done it at all. They were upset at me saying we were family, and what I did wasn't what family does to each other.

What family doesn't check in on sick family?

Shouldn't family keep promises?

Isn't him calling out last year's players airing family business too?

Open your eyes man. Those are only a few questions. He shouldn't be doing things like this.

If it's really family, you keep these things in house.

Keeping the lines of contact open doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be the one doing the contacting. Did you contact them after that? Not saying he did or didn't, but it sounds like you are trying to hold them to the standard that Duke set, which is going way above and beyond the call of duty.

Also, at no point did he mention Duke being one of the "me" guys on the team, nor did the various other current players who have made similar statements about players giving up. So I have no idea whether Duke is even one of those they were talking about.

As for "calling out last year's players....that is done by many coaches. I've seen direct quotes from Meyer, Saban, many others pointing out that there were elements in the team that were a problem to team chemistry, and stating that the team in a particular season is much better off chemistry-wise than the year before after some players moved on (Saban even used the "energy vampires" term to refer to some of those players). At no point were specific players named nor did they say that it was every player that left, but that there was a very real locker room problem and team chemistry problem with a subset of players is something that has been stated many times by players as well as the coaching staff.

With what we had, yes. Duke didn't set the standard until later in the game. There were virtually no standards set by the staff as far as checking or even saying hello.

That still isn't the point though. Someone opposed to "Me" guys, acts like one himself.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

DHucks, you are wasting your time explaining yourself to people who are not fans of the program.

 

[DHucks]

DHucks, you are wasting your time explaining yourself to people who are not fans of the program.

Duly noted.

*stepping back out of thread*

 

[mianjomar]

Just my opinion. I alwAys give Golden as much benefit of the doubt as possible but here you go. There was never any mention of "Me" guys before the loss to FSU. After that the team basically performed poorly and in my opinion the seniors and Duke that had contributed so much went from wanting to finish well to just wanting to move on. Lots of finger pointing etc. who's' to blame? The head coach. You can't let that happen. You recognize it early and do what you have to do to correct it. Duke Johnson was solid bleed orange and green Cane and it's best that we put the end of his career including Momma Duke to rest. He's a good kid and we should all pull for him.

 

[Foreman]

Just my opinion. I alwAys give Golden as much benefit of the doubt as possible but here you go. There was never any mention of "Me" guys before the loss to FSU. After that the team basically performed poorly and in my opinion the seniors and Duke that had contributed so much went from wanting to finish well to just wanting to move on. Lots of finger pointing etc. who's' to blame? The head coach. You can't let that happen. You recognize it early and do what you have to do to correct it. Duke Johnson was solid bleed orange and green Cane and it's best that we put the end of his career including Momma Duke to rest. He's a good kid and we should all pull for him.

If we had won out after the FSU game we still wouldn't have won the coastal.

 

[Tad Footeball]

hahahahahahah Duke soft? hahahahahaha. There really are complete idiots on this website.

As far as Duke goes, I'll be the first to say he's overrated....in comparison to our all-time great backs and that he was soft and lacked durability.....in certain situations......BUT none of that is an indictment on his character. You can't label someone a "Me" guy because his momma ran her mouth publicly once. Outside of that episode, we have no concrete info either way to determine anything in relation to the the locker room dynamic. In fact, we've been junk for so long that any corch would spout the same crap as Alfredo about improvement in attitude over the previous season(s). That's a given when there hasn't been a team in a decade plus that could be held in high regard as something to try to replicate. Every freakin' year has to be a "new" beginning for us.

Nahhhhh, you're right. He was never on the sideline during important moments of important (relatively speaking) games. He's the back you'd want to pick from all of our greats if you had one drive left to win a game. And then there's this. Some of you guys wanna get moist to Ed Reed showing legit toughness in that famous speech. You think him or any of those greats would have been rendered useless like this? Like I said, I don't question him as a team guy or his character but propping Duke up as an all time great just means you're either new to following this team or somehow think it makes you a better fan or you're a local that has more allegiance to certain neighborhoods and high school teams than you do this program. If ya just hate Alfredo there are plenty of other ways to make that case.

 

[User-4525]

FWIW a couple of starters told me Duke was the best "team" guy on the canes. They went on to say that he did everything he was asked but he just hated when the coaches gave him 25+ carries because overriding him is how he broke his ankle. There will be no addition by subtraction with the loss of Duke

 

[cane since birth]

hahahahahahah Duke soft? hahahahahaha. There really are complete idiots on this website.

As far as Duke goes, I'll be the first to say he's overrated....in comparison to our all-time great backs and that he was soft and lacked durability.....in certain situations......BUT none of that is an indictment on his character. You can't label someone a "Me" guy because his momma ran her mouth publicly once. Outside of that episode, we have no concrete info either way to determine anything in relation to the the locker room dynamic. In fact, we've been junk for so long that any corch would spout the same crap as Alfredo about improvement in attitude over the previous season(s). That's a given when there hasn't been a team in a decade plus that could be held in high regard as something to try to replicate. Every freakin' year has to be a "new" beginning for us.

Nahhhhh, you're right. He was never on the sideline during important moments of important (relatively speaking) games. He's the back you'd want to pick from all of our greats if you had one drive left to win a game. And then there's this. Some of you guys wanna get moist to Ed Reed showing legit toughness in that famous speech. You think him or any of those greats would have been rendered useless like this? Like I said, I don't question him as a team guy or his character but propping Duke up as an all time great just means you're either new to following this team or somehow think it makes you a better fan or you're a local that has more allegiance to certain neighborhoods and high school teams than you do this program. If ya just hate Alfredo there are plenty of other ways to make that case.

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AMEN, said the same ****

 

[unstoppable1]

FREAIKNG PRICELESS!

YOU ARE KING!

STOP MAKING TOO MUCH SENSE!

I LOVE IT!

Duke is a great kid and was a really good player for us but my perspective was he and his mother were all about Duke.

Still love the kid and wish him well.

Yeah. If only he would have been less selfish, maybe he would have broken more records and carried the team even more than he did.

 

[rok]

FWIW a couple of starters told me Duke was the best "team" guy on the canes. They went on to say that he did everything he was asked but he just hated when the coaches gave him 25+ carries because overriding him is how he broke his ankle. There will be no addition by subtraction with the loss of Duke

So he wanted the ball....less

got it

 

[WestEndZone]

FWIW a couple of starters told me Duke was the best "team" guy on the canes. They went on to say that he did everything he was asked but he just hated when the coaches gave him 25+ carries because overriding him is how he broke his ankle. There will be no addition by subtraction with the loss of Duke

Makes sense. I have to believe that Duke was a team guy. He was such a good kid in high school. We played him 3 times, and every single time the kid's class just shined. People might grow a bit more cynical with time, but generally, people don't change. It's sad that people have to make assumptions.

 

[HurricaneOmeezy]

Al Golden is ******* pathetic and a terrible human being.

 

[fincane]

FWIW a couple of starters told me Duke was the best "team" guy on the canes. They went on to say that he did everything he was asked but he just hated when the coaches gave him 25+ carries because overriding him is how he broke his ankle. There will be no addition by subtraction with the loss of Duke

So a Miami running back after getting hurt against FSU decides he wants less carries...Ok. Funny that guys who prompted you to bring this over here would trash the **** out of Duke or any other running back for thinking like this. So long as this anecdote directly conflicts with something they don't agree with "guys were selfish, that was part of the problem" they're more than happy to back it.

The #ourteam stuff is way overblown. No way every player who left was a "me first" guy. The same way there is no way that everybody who returned was all about the team. If they've all been brainwashed to believe that being less selfish is gonna help them win more games so be it.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

The ONLY reason UM was 22-16 from 2012 to 2014, was BECAUSE of Duke.
No Duke, and UM goes 15-23 or 14-24 during that time...and Folden would be fired already.
Folden should kiss Cassandra's big toe every opportunity He gets, for allowing to Him to continue stealing $2M+ from UM.

 

[User-4525]

FWIW a couple of starters told me Duke was the best "team" guy on the canes. They went on to say that he did everything he was asked but he just hated when the coaches gave him 25+ carries because overriding him is how he broke his ankle. There will be no addition by subtraction with the loss of Duke

So a Miami running back after getting hurt against FSU decides he wants less carries...Ok. Funny that guys who prompted you to bring this over here would trash the **** out of Duke or any other running back for thinking like this. So long as this anecdote directly conflicts with something they don't agree with "guys were selfish, that was part of the problem" they're more than happy to back it.

The #ourteam stuff is way overblown. No way every player who left was a "me first" guy. The same way there is no way that everybody who returned was all about the team. If they've all been brainwashed to believe that being less selfish is gonna help them win more games so be it.

Despite wanting not to be run into the ground, Duke still had 25+ touches 4 times last season (2-2), including 31 touches the FSU game and 25+ during a pointless bowl game against SC. To me that's putting the team first.


I'm not sure how not wanting to go over 25 carries a game = Duke wanting less carries. Before 2014 Duke had only gone over 25 carries one time.

 

[Foreman]

FWIW a couple of starters told me Duke was the best "team" guy on the canes. They went on to say that he did everything he was asked but he just hated when the coaches gave him 25+ carries because overriding him is how he broke his ankle. There will be no addition by subtraction with the loss of Duke

So he wanted the ball....less

got it

I play running back, I don't want to play for Barry Alvarez! He gave guys the ball 40 times a game ... I don't want the ball 40 times a game! I don't want the ball 30 times a game. I wanted to try and get 100 yards on the least amount of carries possible and be out of the game.

from Miami Hurricanes' pursuit of perfection in 2001: an oral history | FOX Sports

 

[fincane]

FWIW a couple of starters told me Duke was the best "team" guy on the canes. They went on to say that he did everything he was asked but he just hated when the coaches gave him 25+ carries because overriding him is how he broke his ankle. There will be no addition by subtraction with the loss of Duke

So a Miami running back after getting hurt against FSU decides he wants less carries...Ok. Funny that guys who prompted you to bring this over here would trash the **** out of Duke or any other running back for thinking like this. So long as this anecdote directly conflicts with something they don't agree with "guys were selfish, that was part of the problem" they're more than happy to back it.

The #ourteam stuff is way overblown. No way every player who left was a "me first" guy. The same way there is no way that everybody who returned was all about the team. If they've all been brainwashed to believe that being less selfish is gonna help them win more games so be it.

Despite wanting not to be run into the ground, Duke still had 25+ touches 4 times last season (2-2), including 31 touches the FSU game and 25+ during a pointless bowl game against SC. To me that's putting the team first.


I'm not sure how not wanting to go over 25 carries a game = Duke wanting less carries. Before 2014 Duke had only gone over 25 carries one time.

Our coaches aren't any good. But they didn't treat him like Ron Dayne. He went over this barrier he didn't want to break 4 times in 13 games.

As far as putting the team first, what was his other option? I guess he could've said no, "I've reached my required number of touches for this game, Joe and Gus got this". I'm gonna guess this is more about a justified lack of belief in his coaches that grew over three years. If we're a 10-team this 25+ touches barrier isn't a thing.

He averaged 18 carries a game. You add in his receptions, probably around 21-22 touches a game for a premier back. I don't see that as being overworked.

As for his ankle. He got hurt when a very large man fell on it awkwardly. Something that could've happened in the first quarter of that game. Kind of like his concussion against UNC in 2013.

 

[User-4525]

A guy like Ereck Flowers is being called out for "selfishness" but that kid never came out of the game. Everyone on that line loved E. because he busted his *** and always stayed in the game. You didn't hear the commentators say he got injured but a teammate told me he was injured the minute he saw him off the field. He got injured but still came back right away to help the team. If anything, his drive to get better to make the NFL helped the team more than hurt if that is what considered "selfish" nowadays.

Chickillo's sacrifices has been mentioned countless times. Feliciano, McDermott, Walford, etc. not sure how anyone can say their actions were selfish. I understand the team may be "closer" this year. But I'm not sure how all these NFL players (who were the most productive players for us besides Bush and Kaaya) hurt us ON THE FIELD with their selfishness. No one has explained that to me because it can't be explained. Clearly by their production and hustle, their selfishness didn't manifest onto the field.