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Cryptical Envelopment said:
www.businessinsider.com

Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths — here's how

A recent spate of mass shootings has prompted renewed calls for gun control in the US. Japan may offer some insight into preventing future attacks.
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Dlachowski said:
I will say that a couple of years ago my daughter was put on depression meds and she tried committing suicide within a month of being on them. She said that she never really had suicidal thoughts prior but they became overwhelming and she decided to take the whole bottle one day.
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Please tell me she's okay.
 
JD08 said:
Please tell me she's okay.
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Yes. Her fiancé was with her so knew right away and called an ambulance. All is well. They tried her on 4 different meds and she had varying degrees of “bad” thoughts. I don’t believe she is on any meds currently but she went to her doctor because she doesn’t sleep at night and they wanted to put her back on the meds that caused the suicidal episode. Like WTF? Needless to say she is going to a different doctor. But a lot of these meds are trial and error to find what will work
 
BlastUla said:
Interesting statistic but consider the following…

1) It’s easier to kill unarmed children in classrooms than armed policemen.
2) there are way more children in classrooms than there are policemen… so if killing was a completely random act, you would expect more children to be killed in classrooms than policemen.

The things that prevent this statistic from being a constant truism are empathy, strong societal frameworks, and rational though. Unfortunately, there are those among us who lack empathy, lose the ability for rational thought, and are able to find a society through social media that works with a different framework. This is the case of the Buffalo shooter. Others, like the Uvalde shooter, take themselves out of societal frameworks altogether. If someone like this has access to any weapon of mass destruction, there’s not much we can do about it… so our options are to 1) effect the individual (prevent/identify/rehabilitate/restrict) or 2) effect the access of such individuals to destructive weapons.
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While I agree with most of what you said, the sample size is large enough to make the point I presented clear. We’re not talking 6 school deaths and 5 police deaths we’re talking high numbers and if it makes you feel better you can compare it to any other statistic that you’d like. school deaths in the U.S. are wildly out of control and that’s apparent by just looking at any other 1st world country
 
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Well one thing is for certain - that police force in Uvalde couldn't have possibly handled the situation worse than they did. They completely failed at their job, and will suffer absolutely zero repercussions for the deaths over over a dozen 4th graders because of their ineptitude.

As for the solution to mass murders, well

1) Realize that statistically the people that commit these types of crimes are almost all 18ish males, in a dysfunctional family, are bullied/outcasts from the rest of the community, and usually have some kind of history of threatening or actually committing violence. It really isn't hard to identify the type of people that fit into this category. There basically isn't ever a case of a psycho shooting up a school where his classmates were surprised. If you asked every student privately (and seriously) to identify the 2-3 students that they'd be most scared of in the event their school was shot up, I guarantee you there's a 99% chance that person would be in that 2-3. That should tell us all that the solution is to identify those people early, put them on a weapons ban list until they're like 24 or 30 or something, and give them help so that they can hopefully get out of that mindstate. If you set up a system where while kids are trained to drill for these situations, then maybe we should also setup a system where kids have access to counselors specifically to try to pre-emptively stop these situations. And the downside is that even if those kids that are identified weren't going to be murderers, well they were still struggling and will be receiving some kind of help!

1B) Social media companies are able to target the **** out of us with ads. Most of these people post ****ed up **** on social media that scares their fellow classmates/friends/family. Insurance companies have been using large data to identify who the risky people are forever... These tech/social companies absolutely can work to identify the 10k people that are at-risk. Then when you have it so narrowed down, you can take whatever actions we deem appropriate.

2) A supermajority of the country supports Background checks, and just common sense Gun safety measures. The only reason that isn't in place is because politicians are corrupt as ****.

3) We could actually enforce current laws and policies - Unregistered weapon arrests don't just get dropped (and make sure this isn't racially biased!), people being institutionalized/history of violence actually get put on the ban list so they don't pass background checks.

Sure maybe you don't end mass killings. But if you can pre-emptively target the people who fit that demographic giving them the help they need, and making it substantially harder for them to get a weapon, you can significantly reduce the amount of innocent people/kids murdered, and mostly without restricting 90% of American citizens from having access to weapons still. And lets not act like we already don't target people to not give them weapons - theres a reason people who have been to prison aren't allowed to get weapons - they're more at risk for violence.

All of that is stuff that can easily and reasonably be accomplished without even banning weapons.
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
This is so dumb. You can’t compare America to foreign countries, especially homogenous societies like Japan. Btw have you heard of their knife problem?
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Sure you can compare. Mental illness is present worldwide. Countries with our gun culture are not. And you see the difference demonstrated clearly.
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
Take away suicides and guns are not an issue.
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That’s like saying take away Barry sanders’ long runs and he’s just an average runner.

I don’t know what the problem is in this country and why it’s unique to us but I’m fairly sure it’s not a one issue thing. It’s not “because of the guns” or it’s not solely a mental illness thing.

My educated guess - combination of gun culture combined with isolation (big problem here), mental illness, socio economic factors and country population means big number of peoeple are likely to slip through the cracks and there is an underwhelming low level of available social resources to catch them and help them (leads to desperation). Jmo.
 
AUcane said:
That’s like saying take away Barry sanders’ long runs and he’s just an average runner.

I don’t know what the problem is in this country and why it’s unique to us but I’m fairly sure it’s not a one issue thing. It’s not “because of the guns” or it’s not solely a mental illness thing.

My educated guess - combination of gun culture combined with isolation (big problem here), mental illness, socio economic factors and country population means big number of peoeple are likely to slip through the cracks and there is an underwhelming low level of available social resources to catch them and help them (leads to desperation). Jmo.
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It’s all of those issues you mentioned and probably more. But my point is, nobody complains about guns when somebody eats one. Or when gang members kill each other. The outrage comes from someone killing multiple people. Overall gun death numbers are inflated by suicides. And even those total numbers, are not comparable to other issues we have. Heart disease, car wrecks, etc.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
It’s all of those issues you mentioned and probably more. But my point is, nobody complains about guns when somebody eats one. Or when gang members kill each other. The outrage comes from someone killing multiple people. Overall gun death numbers are inflated by suicides. And even those total numbers, are not comparable to other issues we have. Heart disease, car wrecks, etc.
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Absolutely people talk about guns With suicides and gang violence just not as much as mass shootings in school for obvious reasons.

I don’t get the comparison to car wrecks or heart disease. One is intentional and one isn’t.
 
westcoastcanes said:
Who in your eyes is in legal trouble here? It isn’t the police, they aren’t legally obligated to confront the shooter here if that Supreme Court decision also covers this circumstance, like it did for stoneman.
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Well, when they find out who gave orders to ignore the killing of the children if it’s a suit then they’ll have the political officer select a sacrificial lamb to take the blame and they’ll gorge on him .

Remember we eat our own now that how a communist socialist country works.

Blame blame others you see it in every POTUS the administration all the way down to killings.

Blame is so precious and deflecting then plausible deniability then all fades away slowly and Justice is just a word to spin
 
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