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MaRiO NeEds his OwN GuYs

canefan said:
he also inherited a very stacked roster full of legit NFL guys and then corched his way into losing that game when he had it sewn up. hasn't had an undefeated season yet, and gets in a few dogfights every year he shouldn't (Mizzou last week, UF a few times in Jax)
he's an amazing recruiter and now can coast to 11-1 regular seasons on talent alone
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that same majority roster went like 7-5 in Richt's last year. Also, he lost to Saban, his former mentor, in the NC game year 2. Any other coach and he cruises to that victory. Losing the NC game in OT against the greatest cfb coach of all time does not a corch make. People on this site throw that term around way too loosely.
 
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hoops156 said:
im all for recruiting nationally, but have to land the elite skill talent here. they excel all over the country but somehow we can't get them to play? come on now. bam
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That's easy to explain. When you take a South Florida kid and stick him on Georgia's roster, he either develops the right mentality or they find someone else. He has to fit into THAT culture. But we have 60 of those guys, so there is no winning mindset and no pressure to think otherwise.
 
Rellyrell said:
Richt did the same thing. Lol. That’s y we said it was eery how similar Richt & Smart’s career paralleled.

Yr 1:
Richt (8-4) v. Smart (8-5)

Yr 2:
Richt (13-1 winning SEC*) v. Smart (13-2 winning SEC)
*there was no CFP in 2001

Yr 3:
Richt (11-3 winning SECE) v. Smart (11-3 winning SECE)

Yr 4:
Richt (10-2) vs. Smart (12-2 winning SECE)

Yr 5:
Richt (10-3 winning SEC) v. Smart (8-2)

In 5 yrs:
Richt (52-13 w/ 3 SECE titles & 2 SEC titles)
Smart (52-14 w/ 3 SECE titles & SEC title)

The difference? Yr 6. Smart finally won it all.

All I’m saying is like Richt, Smart, Aranda, Mario (at a P5 program), etc is that they didn’t have shining glowing seasons yr 1. Ya’ll see Smart today, but don’t remember all the chit that was talked by UGA fans who “missed” Richt during Smart’s 1st yr. Chit takes time, period. I stand by my theories which are historically proven:

1. Never hire a coach from a failed regime b/c the likelihood of them succeeding is less than 10%

2. Give a coach 2 yrs, 3 yrs max, when inheriting a dumpster fire
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There’s no comparison between Kirby taking over after Richt and Mario taking over after Diaz. Richt didn’t leave the cupboard bare and had established a winning culture at UGA. Mario followed Diaz and his dumpster fire. Additionally, Miami had been mediocre at best for 20 years and gone through 3 other failed regimes.
 
Gsugradcanefan said:
that same majority roster went like 7-5 in Richt's last year. Also, he lost to Saban, his former mentor, in the NC game year 2. Any other coach and he cruises to that victory. Losing the NC game in OT against the greatest cfb coach of all time does not a corch make. People on this site throw that term around way too loosely.
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and they went 8-5 in Kirby's first year. Same regular season record as Richt the year before. With 10 guys in their starting 22 drafted in the first 4 rounds over the next two years, including Nick Chubb, Roquan Smith and Sony. Including a home loss to 6-7 Vanderbilt

Proceeded to corch his way out of the SEC Champ game in yr 3 with his fake punt call, and corched his way out of the CFP in yr 4 with a loss at home to 4-8 South Carolina

He's an absolute elite recruiter of the highest order, probably even better than Saban with success rate over the last 5 years and still corches his way into 1-2 losses pretty consistently outside of last year. His 2020 team got run out of Jax by Mullen and the Gators, a team he had 15x more talent than.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Absolutely.

Sony was a canes lock from 8th to 11th grade.

Preach!


I dont think Mario is a great coach. My hope has been he will surround himself with elite coordinators and be in a GM role. He doesn't have to be a great coach to win here. Needs to recruit talent and hire the right people.


Just being honest. If mario is deadset on this style offense we are screwed. If he is like golden was with that defense then he will be here 7 years and be out. Im hoping he learned from saban and adapts.
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It should never be about one guy. A great leader is only as good as the people he surrounds himself with. It’s obvious that good/great coaches want to work for Mario.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Huh???? He got shot down by every coach he wanted.


Name a great coach he hired?
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Week, let’s see:

The reining Broyals award winner ( granted his results so far are questionable at best)
One of the most highly regarded DC’s.
Former TX HC is our LB coach
A highly regarded DL coach
An NFL HOF’er as his DE’s ANALYST.

Should I go on?
 
423Hurricane said:
Week, let’s see:

The reining Broyals award winner ( granted his results so far are questionable at best)
One of the most highly regarded DC’s.
Former TX HC is our LB coach
A highly regarded DL coach
An NFL HOF’er as his DE’s ANALYST.

Should I go on?
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Lol yea you should.

Gattis is trash. Ask Michigan fans
Steele has been fired more times than he has been kept. He was headed to Maryland.

Mario wanted the d coordinator from Georgia and whiffed.

Mario wanted like 5 other O coordinators ahead of gattis and whiffed.



I hope mario turns us around but you are wrong about great coaches wanting to work for him.
 
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canefan said:
and they went 8-5 in Kirby's first year. Same regular season record as Richt the year before. With 10 guys in their starting 22 drafted in the first 4 rounds over the next two years, including Nick Chubb, Roquan Smith and Sony. Including a home loss to 6-7 Vanderbilt

Proceeded to corch his way out of the SEC Champ game in yr 3 with his fake punt call, and corched his way out of the CFP in yr 4 with a loss at home to 4-8 South Carolina

He's an absolute elite recruiter of the highest order, probably even better than Saban with success rate over the last 5 years and still corches his way into 1-2 losses pretty consistently outside of last year. His 2020 team got run out of Jax by Mullen and the Gators, a team he had 15x more talent than.
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I don't really count conference losses as examples of corching. Conference games are funny like that. sometimes a 1-6 team can rise up and beat an 8-0 team, especially to division rivals (Kirby losing to Carolina for example). People on this site are quick to label someone a corch for 1 or 2 bad games and it's just funny.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Lol yea you should.

Gattis is trash. Ask Michigan fans
Steele has been fired more times than he has been kept. He was headed to Maryland.

Mario wanted the d coordinator from Georgia and whiffed.

Mario wanted like 5 other O coordinators ahead of gattis and whiffed.



I hope mario turns us around but you are wrong about great coaches wanting to work for him.
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How do you know it's not wanting to work with Mario as oppose to not wanting to work for Miami? Did Mario have hiring issues at Oregon?

Miami prob is seen as a dead-end job at this point due to the lack of success
 
Mr. Dynasty1 said:
How do you know it's not wanting to work with Mario as oppose to not wanting to work for Miami? Did Mario have hiring issues at Oregon?

Miami prob is seen as a dead-end job at this point due to the lack of success
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423 made the statement coaches wanted to work for mario.

I just pointed out that wasn't true.

You think coaches are turning down big money because miami has been down? Im speculating but maybe they didn't like what mario was selling.



Did he ever have top 5 coordinators at oregon?
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
423 made the statement coaches wanted to work for mario.

I just pointed out that wasn't true.

You think coaches are turning down big money because miami has been down? Im speculating but maybe they didn't like what mario was selling.



Did he ever have top 5 coordinators at oregon?
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You know it not to be true how?

Not alot of coaches at successful programs want to jump into a rebuild. Unless you're being promoted from just a position coach to a coordinator. If it's a lateral move, then yes someone could turn down a raise as oppose to taking on a dumpster fire of a program.

I don't think he has had a "Top 5 coordinator" at Oregon, whatever that means but I would prob put that more on that being a philosophical difference than not wanting to work with Mario.

I just don't understand how you can speak in absolutes when you don't have that info
 
Mr. Dynasty1 said:
You know it not to be true how?

Not alot of coaches at successful programs want to jump into a rebuild. Unless you're being promoted from just a position coach to a coordinator. If it's a lateral move, then yes someone could turn down a raise as oppose to taking on a dumpster fire of a program.

I don't think he has had a "Top 5 coordinator" at Oregon, whatever that means but I would prob put that more on that being a philosophical difference than not wanting to work with Mario.

I just don't understand how you can speak in absolutes when you don't have that info
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If he has never had top 5 or 10 coordinators then its reasonable to say he has never hired great coaches. Maybe good coaches but never great coaches. Mario isnt a great coach so he needs to surround himself with great coaches.


We all know he whiffed on alot of candidates this off-season. Thats not knocking him. Its just speaking truth. How could you not sale TVD to top tier O coordinators?


We have invested more money than at any time in program history. Through 5 games do you see vast improvements in coaching from the diaz era?
 
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Blue chip ratio, top 15 teams in the nation. Separates corches from the coaches. Venebles, Harsin, Cristobal, Fisher. Each are .500 or worse so far this season, despite having a ton of a talent. Venebles did have a mass exodus, losing some talent who went with Riley, but still should be performing better. A&M game was a game who could corch harder, but Texas 8&4 had a superior roster. Auburn is badly corched as well.

Given that Mario is a known recruiter, and that’s why we paid him, we should make our way to the mid 60s or 70s for blue chip ratio. His clock shouldn’t be 6-7 years considering the talent is here. He came into a QB with first round and Heisman hype, defense with some big name guys just bad scheme prior.

This isn’t the rebuild some of you are making it out to be, we have a talented roster. It’s up to coaches to mold the players and make them better, not say all of our guys are busts.
 
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crossover22[]_[] said:
If he has never had top 5 or 10 coordinators then its reasonable to say he has never hired great coaches. Maybe good coaches but never great coaches. Mario isnt a great coach so he needs to surround himself with great coaches.


We all know he whiffed on alot of candidates this off-season. Thats not knocking him. Its just speaking truth. How could you not sale TVD to top tier O coordinators?


We have invested more money than at any time in program history. Through 5 games do you see vast improvements in coaching from the diaz era?
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How many top 5 coordinators are making lateral moves? If you’re calling them a top 5 then that means they are already established and secure where they are. Those guys take promotions in position, not sideways jumps

Selling TVD is easy, selling the rest of the pieces that came with TVD? Not so much.

As usual, you like many others have an overinflated image of Miami vs the rest of the college football world.

No TVD doesn’t look better. That’s on Gattis and Ponce and Mario. As someone who wanted neither of the three, I’m not surprised.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
423 made the statement coaches wanted to work for mario.

I just pointed out that wasn't true.

You think coaches are turning down big money because miami has been down? Im speculating but maybe they didn't like what mario was selling.



Did he ever have top 5 coordinators at oregon?
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Let's not forget that one of the knocks on Mario was that he was a ridiculously dedicated coach and expected the same of those who worked for him.

There can always be other factors than just they don't believe in him.
 
Fort Lauderdale better stock up on their beer supply before I come to town this weekend.
 
WanderFranco said:
That's easy to explain. When you take a South Florida kid and stick him on Georgia's roster, he either develops the right mentality or they find someone else. He has to fit into THAT culture. But we have 60 of those guys, so there is no winning mindset and no pressure to think otherwise.
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Makes no sense. But it is what it is. Georgia kids have a winning mindeset and their state hasnt won sh*t since the 1980s and it was ****** GA Tech that did.

Its up to the coach to DEVELOP....and if he aint playing good...find someone else that does. All that mentality, culture ...is all b.s. and coach speak. This is coming from me a former college football player albeit FCS.

Najee Harris hated the culture at Bama...said his best friends didnt play football...there were cliques..etc. He stayed to get to the league(likely got paid to stay) and gtfo there. Bama and GA arent good because of mentality...they are good because they hoard the best players in the country have 200 staff members and win which ultimately lead to guys being drafted and bandwagoners jumping aboard in recruiting to hope to do the same

. For example a kid from San diego just flipped from UCLA to UGA at RB...UCLA actually looks solid this year...he would of been a focal point there but...its like i'll just ride the UGA train....it works for some but then theres always the Braylen Ingrahamas of the world who just picked the school and it never was a fit schematically for them other than saying i committed to bama and they are then told to medically retire or hit the transfer portal by saban to free up a ship.
 
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