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Mario Cristobal...you're now (REALLY) on the clock...

Caned Peach said:
Not to nitpick what you're saying but the Fab5 never won a natty. Played for it but that's it, iirc.
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grover said:
@k9cane you're a great poster and give more back to the university than 99.9% of the rest of us on the boards. So I realize you have a legit reason to be impatient. But respectfully I expected you to be more rational about the situation. First, Larranga has been with Miami for over a decade vs Mario for 14-15 months. Second, it's a lot easier to turn around a roster of 13 scholarship players vs 85.

Fans expecting 10 wins in 2023 and playoffs in 2024 are wishful thinkers. Mario is not a Lincoln Riley or a Lane Kiffin type coach. He's a brick by brick guy. At the minimum, he needs three years of his classes to start delivering real results. I'm expecting very little this year (2023), "something" next season (2024) and being in the conversation in 3 years in 2025.

Feel free to call me a homer or too patient or whatever. But I'm just being realistic about the coach we hired. He'll get us there, just not on the rabid fan timeline.
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Well I want to make this clear, Im not saying Mario has to deliver 11+ wins and an ACC title this upcoming season. That's totally unrealistic.

My view is that whatever sense of urgency there was, it's even heightened now -- and that's a good thing for the program. And I know Mario has higher expectations for this program than any of us. All this, should actually motivate everyone in that football building.

I think the word 'pain' I used in my original post, was a bit misguided. I think disbelief is more like it. I mean, I used to watch UM hoops games from LA when they were on SportsChannel. I still recall how every early Big East victory were treated like championships within themselves
 
Dwinstitles said:
I don't believe in balance I believe in what this guy says




Balance is 50-50....I know u don't mean 50/50 though. It has to get to a point where it's 90% HS studs and plucking a few guys. That's when u click on all cylinders. U can't have an off season or every off season getting 10 transfers. That's bad asf, if u want to become a machine that recipe ain't it. It means your UF and your missing on everyone. The reason we are going through that is cause one class can't fix all. Our classes have been *** and MC knows it. This is why I'm patient because this man knows the problem and he's going out and addressing them slowly.
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Facts.

Meanwhile, for 2023, on offense, we already tapped the portal to add 2 starting OL and arguably need another plus a #1 WR (or two), a starting level RB and a backup QB. And for defense, we already portalled it to add a starting MLB, 2 starting CBs and a starting/rotational DT, and arguably need 1-2 more starting/rotational DLs, 1 more starting LB and 1 more starting DB.

That's after graduating a group that will be lucky to put 3-4 guys in the NFL draft -- one of whom is the punter! -- with zero going first day and possibly second day. Mario was working with an insanely bad roster. Far worse than anything I've ever seen at Miami. You don't turn that around in 1 or 2 cycles.
 
Massive improvement is inevitable. We are building a spectacular football building, have great NIL, have modernized the offense, brought in an innovative defense, landed a top 13 transition class, followed by the #7 class this year, and people are even more confident about next years class. Mario is going to do what Mario does which is land elite player after elite player and raise the floor for the program each year.

Everything isn't always going to go to plan, that we can all be assured of. But the blueprint is there, the admin support is there, and if there are a few potholes along the way, we will fill them and keep on trucking down the road. Make a bad hire? That can be fixed, and Mario isn't going to let anyone stop this train.

Mario has won everywhere he's been. His entire life. He took an 0-12 FIU program and won the conference. Got a PHD at Alabama and was promoted to AHC/RC/OL for his work there, where he was the 247 National Recruiter of the Year. Took a listing Oregon program and won 12 games, a Rose Bowl and two Pac-12 championships in his first and only four years. Now he's here to clean up our 20 year mess. To that, I say THANK YOU.

It would be an incredible upset if he didn't win here. Wouldn't it be spectacular if the fan base that supposedly loves and supports this program actually supported the HC, an accomplished National Championship winning Cane, every step of the way, through the highs and lows?

Nah man, Mario is not (REALLY) on anyone's clock here. Buy a ticket and enjoy the light show.
 
I thought you would have figured this out by now with the BB team having more ACC titles than the football team for years.

ACC is a basketball conference. The fact that we are at the top of the ACC should be a badge of honor.
 
I hope that someone with more knowledge of football recruiting can provide some insight into this next statement, but I would assume UM playing Friday night and reaching the Elite 8 created a lot of buzz for the football recruits this weekend.

Athletes want to play around other good athletes, even from other sports. It makes the entire school atmosphere more exciting. They don’t compete with other sports as much as they cheer for other sports.
 
AtlAtty said:
I hope that someone with more knowledge of football recruiting can provide some insight into this next statement, but I would assume UM playing Friday night and reaching the Elite 8 created a lot of buzz for the football recruits this weekend.

Athletes want to play around other good athletes, even from other sports. It makes the entire school atmosphere more exciting. They don’t compete with other sports as much as they cheer for other sports.
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I would say that it's brand building. I would also say it's somewhat similar to how freshman applications spike when the football team is winning big. It's just a lot of ancillary positivity around the University of Miami, and that's good for every facet of the U, from the dorms to the BOT, to the other sports and the whole AD... and of course prospective student-athletes, aka recruits.

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grover said:
Facts.

Meanwhile, for 2023, on offense, we already tapped the portal to add 2 starting OL and arguably need another plus a #1 WR (or two), a starting level RB and a backup QB. And for defense, we already portalled it to add a starting MLB, 2 starting CBs and a starting/rotational DT, and arguably need 1-2 more starting/rotational DLs, 1 more starting LB and 1 more starting DB.

That's after graduating a group that will be lucky to put 3-4 guys in the NFL draft -- one of whom is the punter! -- with zero going first day and possibly second day. Mario was working with an insanely bad roster. Far worse than anything I've ever seen at Miami. You don't turn that around in 1 or 2 cycles.
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Preach to the drones
 
423Hurricane said:
Obviously, Miami is not known as a basketball school. The program was even cancelled in 1971 and revived in 1985.

As far as sports resources are concerned AT Miami, it’s obvious basketball doesn’t require the same amount of $$$ as the football program for many reasons, most notably the number of players on a team. There’s also many more variables with football than BB.

As far as Ruiz is concerned, comparatively speaking, he did strike substantial NIL deals with a couple of the BB players.

It’s inevitable that the BB programs recent success will have some asking why we’re not seeing the same with football. We’re in year 2 of the Mario era in a sport that requires much more resources with a tremendous amount of variables not seen in other sports.
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But u, along w/ my boy @JamesQuall are looking at this from a 2 yr perspective vs. a tenure perspective.

Miami basketball, pre Coach L was a NIT delight the last couple of yrs of Haith. Immediately in 2013, Coach L took Miami to the Sweet 16, yr 1. I also think u’re minimizing how difficult it is to turn around a non-traditional power in b-ball. The point I’m making is there’s too much tangible evidence out there that suggest the right coach at any program can turn them around by yr 2, especially in football. I would argue it’s easier to turn around a football program than a b-ball program b/c once elite kids go to certain schools w/ AAU connections, they have a monopoly.

Once again:

Pete Carroll (not wanted by SC):
USC mired in mediocrity throughout the entire late 80’s - 90’s.
6-6 yr 1 ; 11-2 yr 2

Luke Fickell:
Takes over a doormat program at Cincinnati, known for b-ball:
4-8 yr 1 ; 11-2 yr 2

Kirby Smart:
Takes over a stable, yet often considered underachieving program at UGA:
8-5 yr 1 ; 13-2 yr 2

Bobby Bowden:
Takes over a program that went 19-37 over 5 yrs before becoming coach & was a f’ing women’s school:
5-6 yr 1 ; 10-2 yr 2

Nick Saban:
Takes over a Bama program that was far removed from the glory days:
7-5 yr 1 ; 12-2 yr 2 (he did the same at LSU, too)

Dave Aranda:
Takes over a Baylor program sullied in controversy & sanctions.
2-7 yr 1 ; 12-2 yr 2

Folks, again; I’m just going off the tip of the iceberg. I can call out Joe Pa, our guy Schnelly, Bear Bryant, Knute Rockne, Mark Richt, etc etc.

U see things come to fruition from a coach worth a **** typically in yr 2, no later than yr than yr 3 at the latest at the CFB level.
 
Rellyrell said:
But u, along w/ my boy @JamesQuall are looking at this from a 2 yr perspective vs. a tenure perspective.

Miami basketball, pre Coach L was a NIT delight the last couple of yrs of Haith. Immediately in 2013, Coach L took Miami to the Sweet 16, yr 1. I also think u’re minimizing how difficult it is to turn around a non-traditional power in b-ball. The point I’m making is there’s too much tangible evidence out there that suggest the right coach at any program can turn them around by yr 2, especially in football. I would argue it’s easier to turn around a football program than a b-ball program b/c once elite kids go to certain schools w/ AAU connections, they have a monopoly.

Once again:

Pete Carroll (not wanted by SC):
USC mired in mediocrity throughout the entire late 80’s - 90’s.
6-6 yr 1 ; 11-2 yr 2

Luke Fickell:
Takes over a doormat program at Cincinnati, known for b-ball:
4-8 yr 1 ; 11-2 yr 2

Kirby Smart:
Takes over a stable, yet often considered underachieving program at UGA:
8-5 yr 1 ; 13-2 yr 2

Bobby Bowden:
Takes over a program that went 19-37 over 5 yrs before becoming coach & was a f’ing women’s school:
5-6 yr 1 ; 10-2 yr 2

Nick Saban:
Takes over a Bama program that was far removed from the glory days:
7-5 yr 1 ; 12-2 yr 2 (he did the same at LSU, too)

Dave Aranda:
Takes over a Baylor program sullied in controversy & sanctions.
2-7 yr 1 ; 12-2 yr 2

Folks, again; I’m just going off the tip of the iceberg. I can call out Joe Pa, our guy Schnelly, Bear Bryant, Knute Rockne, Mark Richt, etc etc.

U see things come to fruition from a coach worth a **** typically in yr 2, no later than yr than yr 3 at the latest at the CFB level.
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I agree that it's difficult for a basketball school to turn around. My argument was that it's harder for football.

In my post I was responding specifically to the point you made of:

  • "when u look at the resources & support behind Coach L vs. the football team it’s literally night & day; yet, it’s Coach L that has done way more w/ less than his peers on the football side."
You and I probably have the same viewpoint but my point with what I said in my last sentence is what I'm getting at. The only way football programs change in the way basketball programs do are with elite coaches, with the administration backing them, and more importantly a boatload of financial commitment. All of the coaches mentioned are elite and also have MAJOR money backing the football program, some of which are blue bloods with long histories of success in football, and have better facilities than our football program.

We neglected our football program relatively speaking, and finally made the commitment to pour money into football less than a year and a half ago and it remains to be seen if Cristobal can hold his end of the bargain.

None of this is to undermine what our hoops program is doing and have done. The argument that I'm making is if given the option to build an elite basketball school vs build an elite football school, the basketball school would be, in comparison easier (that does not make it an easy feat though).
 
Rellyrell said:
But u, along w/ my boy @JamesQuall are looking at this from a 2 yr perspective vs. a tenure perspective.

Miami basketball, pre Coach L was a NIT delight the last couple of yrs of Haith. Immediately in 2013, Coach L took Miami to the Sweet 16, yr 1. I also think u’re minimizing how difficult it is to turn around a non-traditional power in b-ball. The point I’m making is there’s too much tangible evidence out there that suggest the right coach at any program can turn them around by yr 2, especially in football. I would argue it’s easier to turn around a football program than a b-ball program b/c once elite kids go to certain schools w/ AAU connections, they have a monopoly.

Once again:

Pete Carroll (not wanted by SC):
USC mired in mediocrity throughout the entire late 80’s - 90’s.
6-6 yr 1 ; 11-2 yr 2

Luke Fickell:
Takes over a doormat program at Cincinnati, known for b-ball:
4-8 yr 1 ; 11-2 yr 2

Kirby Smart:
Takes over a stable, yet often considered underachieving program at UGA:
8-5 yr 1 ; 13-2 yr 2

Bobby Bowden:
Takes over a program that went 19-37 over 5 yrs before becoming coach & was a f’ing women’s school:
5-6 yr 1 ; 10-2 yr 2

Nick Saban:
Takes over a Bama program that was far removed from the glory days:
7-5 yr 1 ; 12-2 yr 2 (he did the same at LSU, too)

Dave Aranda:
Takes over a Baylor program sullied in controversy & sanctions.
2-7 yr 1 ; 12-2 yr 2

Folks, again; I’m just going off the tip of the iceberg. I can call out Joe Pa, our guy Schnelly, Bear Bryant, Knute Rockne, Mark Richt, etc etc.

U see things come to fruition from a coach worth a **** typically in yr 2, no later than yr than yr 3 at the latest at the CFB level.
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Can’t argue with any of that except I still believe it’s an apples and oranges comparison between football and BB. Many more variables involved on the football side. IF Year 2 is a benchmark in football, we’ll know soon enough.
 
Sorry that I skipped through all the post as im about to head out to play pool in my pool league. But I strongly disagree that hes on the clock. That roster last year was one of our worst over the last 30 years. We are still in rebuild mode so this year probably wont be all that great either but im going to be patient.
 
simplycanes said:
UM basketball is phenomenal for the U brand. Down by 12 in the Big Dance and a U basketball team says, "Nah, not today, f--- you, Texas. Remember Us."

It's nice to have a U product on TV thats well coached and playing their asses off.

I doubt Mario feels any pressure, he is too dense.

At best, he sees a recruiting angle.
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Down 13.

Just saying.

BTW, OP why’d you stop being a fan? Sucks for you to have dealt with the days of Tito and Popa … to only not be a fan now.

And Miami football and boxing? We have a boxing team? Who is on it? Frank and Quad?
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
JFC....Just enjoy the moment. Stop diluting what the BB has done, with comparisons to what the FB team has "yet" to do. Not a Snap has been taken, and Mario's on the clock....Lol.
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Not a snap has been taken? Umm. Unfortunately I saw quite a few under Mario.
 
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